F80 Ferrari F80

[martinbo]

You're happy with the quiet V6?

Happiness is a relative concept, of course any petrolhead worth their salt will lament the move away from the V12. NA V12s are, for me, the best sounding engines out there - especially Ferrari's. So as far as happy goes, I'm not ecstatic but I'm also satisfied (how ridiculous does that sound given I'll never own a Ferrari) that Ferrari has implemented the best possible powertrain for the F80's performance objectives. The fact that it's a development of the "nearly-flat" V6 from the 296 is a cool thing, imo.

900 HP from a six cylinder is incredible. But the sound is so bad. I feel like on one hand it gives credence to the 296 (which as an owner makes me happy), and makes me quite excited for what exactly will power the 296 VS, but I'm at a loss for the sound. I had friends at the reveal. They said it was baffling quiet

Based on the limited footage available - it does sound quite quiet and not particularly melodious. But, I also have lowered my expectations around how engines need to sound - especially if they're very powerful by virtue of turbocharging. Given the highly-technical electrically actuated turbos fitted, I'm not in the least surprised that the sonic quality of the exhaust note is so stifled.
So I guess it's like 3.6 Roentgen - "not great, not terrible".

I guess my main observation regarding this car, and the W1, and their luke warm reception, is that the car world is so much different than it was. Straight line speed is now CHEAP. Electrics have seen to that. A Taycan Turbo S will probably beat this car and certainly the W1 in the quarter mile. When the P1/918/LAF came out, the next mid engined (or rear) was a freaking 650S (or was it 12C still?), a 991 Turbo S, and a base 458. The performance gap was unfathomable. Now, these car's are just sort of, there, performance wise with other cars that cost 1/10 (no hyperbole) the price.

I think this sums it all up entirely. Electrification, despite being in its relative infancy (for proper sports cars) has proven to be formidably potent in a straight line. As the tech moves on, this potency will extend to record-breaking laptimes too. I feel it's only a matter of time where the fastest cars in the world both in a straight line as well as a bend will be pure electric. I don't like the thought of that.
So, the law of diminishing marginal returns will mean that ICE-powered halo cars like the F80 and W1 will steadily see the performance gap close in on them from lower-tier models. It's inevitable as, clearly, the absolute limits of standalone ICE are approaching fast.
I suppose outright speed around a circuit is what will separate the F80 and W1 from their lesser siblings but we're unlikely to get an objective comparison given the embargo on these things setting credibly-vetted laptimes.

I'm sure whatever the 750S replacement will be, it's performance will step the game on from the 750/765 and that's a scary thought. Again, making the W1 even more irrelevant.

McLaren has their hands full at the moment. They need to plug the leaking dyke that is Artura first before they can even consider bringing a 750S successor to market.

There's no way I wouldn't take a P1 or a LAF over a W1 or F80. Just no way. And that's a shame considering the premium OEM's are looking to charge over those cars. Perhaps 2015-2020 was peak automobile in terms of looks, engagement, and performance. Seems so from where we are heading.

I would take an F80 over a LaF - it's a far more interesting car to me. I would take the P1 over the W1 however as the W1 just doesn't have the P1's fantastic looks or charismatic image. Love that car.

Yip, where we're heading toward now looks to be a very different place from 2015-2020.

 

[martinbo]

One of my all time favorite tracks. I want to visit and drive there one day.

It really is wonderful to drive - the elevation changes, width and variability make it challenging and enjoyable. I've done what must be approaching 100 laps of the circuit.

Aggie's just not fast enough for Kyalami.

Rumours have re-emerged that Kyalami will be carrying out FIA-prescribed upgrades with the view to be able to host F1 in 2027. Here's hoping.

As for the F50....hot damn what a car.

Many years ago, the local Ferrari club would host "Ferrari Day" at Kyalami and attendees had pit lane and garage access! Ridiculous. I got so close to F50 I could see the weave of the Kevlar under the paintwork.

So wonderful it's illegal to drive in the US

You can't drive it anywhere, without bringing along a Merc technician.

 

[Jo_Sta7]

Happiness is a relative concept, of course any petrolhead worth their salt will lament the move away from the V12. NA V12s are, for me, the best sounding engines out there - especially Ferrari's. So as far as happy goes, I'm not ecstatic but I'm also satisfied (how ridiculous does that sound given I'll never own a Ferrari) that Ferrari has implemented the best possible powertrain for the F80's performance objectives. The fact that it's a development of the "nearly-flat" V6 from the 296 is a cool thing, imo.

Based on the limited footage available - it does sound quite quiet and not particularly melodious. But, I also have lowered my expectations around how engines need to sound - especially if they're very powerful by virtue of turbocharging. Given the highly-technical electrically actuated turbos fitted, I'm not in the least surprised that the sonic quality of the exhaust note is so stifled.
So I guess it's like 3.6 Roentgen - "not great, not terrible".

I think this sums it all up entirely. Electrification, despite being in its relative infancy (for proper sports cars) has proven to be formidably potent in a straight line. As the tech moves on, this potency will extend to record-breaking laptimes too. I feel it's only a matter of time where the fastest cars in the world both in a straight line as well as a bend will be pure electric. I don't like the thought of that.
So, the law of diminishing marginal returns will mean that ICE-powered halo cars like the F80 and W1 will steadily see the performance gap close in on them from lower-tier models. It's inevitable as, clearly, the absolute limits of standalone ICE are approaching fast.
I suppose outright speed around a circuit is what will separate the F80 and W1 from their lesser siblings but we're unlikely to get an objective comparison given the embargo on these things setting credibly-vetted laptimes.

McLaren has their hands full at the moment. They need to plug the leaking dyke that is Artura first before they can even consider bringing a 750S successor to market.

I would take an F80 over a LaF - it's a far more interesting car to me. I would take the P1 over the W1 however as the W1 just doesn't have the P1's fantastic looks or charismatic image. Love that car.

Yip, where we're heading toward now looks to be a very different place from 2015-2020.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

 

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screenshotted all CFD from launch videos

 

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[Revvd]

It's nice to hear thoughts about F80 from journalists that aren't jaded... *cough* Chris Harris

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[Revvd]

HDF/DRS

 

[TopspeedPT]

The problem with today's hypercars | Ti podcast 237

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Dan Prosser and Andrew Frankel consider why the McLaren W1 and Ferrari F80 haven't caused the same excitement among enthusiasts as hypercars from the past. Are we just bored with very low-volume, extremely high-performance machines that few of us will ever get to experience for ourselves? Is there something inherently wrong with this new batch of hypercar?

Dan and Andrew also look back at the best hypercars of all time to see how the sector has evolved over the past four decades.

 

[Centurion]

^^
Ferrari have the benefit of the Icona Series as a backup. Maybe Mclaren should release a special edition hypercar with the drivetrain from the 765LT.

 

[slicknick]

And yet, now is widely lauded and sought after. I remember seeing it fly down the main straight at Kyalami. Bugger me - what a sound.

Shame the F80 won't sound anywhere nearly as good as the F50, the Enzo or LaFerrari

 

[martinbo]

Shame the F80 won't sound anywhere nearly as good as the F50, the Enzo or LaFerrari

I guess there are - and have been - many great shames in the automotive market:
- Shame that M3 is no longer NA
- Shame that next Boxster is EV
- Same that C63 AMG is a turbo four-pot
- Shame that Ferrari NA V8 is no more
- Shame that Pagani V12 is not NA
- Shame that M5 has slushbox auto only
- Shame that McLaren W1 doesn't yet fully exist
- Shame that neither does the Bugatti Tourbillon
- Shame that Porsche (once a serial participant in "holy trinities" with 959, Carrera GT, 918 Spyder) seems to have no hypercar in the foreseeable future
- I could go on...

Like life, the world of cars is littered with disappointment and beset by the trough of disillusionment.

 

[Jonathan19]

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[Centurion]

It's so quiet inside the cabin that the Pope could hold bible class in there.

 

[klier]

It's so quiet inside the cabin that the Pope could hold bible class in there.

Not enough space to rape kids though. The steering wheel is too big.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

I guess there are - and have been - many great shames in the automotive market:
- Shame that M3 is no longer NA
- Shame that next Boxster is EV
- Same that C63 AMG is a turbo four-pot
- Shame that Ferrari NA V8 is no more
- Shame that Pagani V12 is not NA
- Shame that M5 has slushbox auto only
- Shame that McLaren W1 doesn't yet fully exist
- Shame that neither does the Bugatti Tourbillon
- Shame that Porsche (once a serial participant in "holy trinities" with 959, Carrera GT, 918 Spyder) seems to have no hypercar in the foreseeable future
- I could go on...

Like life, the world of cars is littered with disappointment and beset by the trough of disillusionment.

I don't disagree with that list or the point you're making, but the eventual demise of a symphonic NA Ferrari V12 is still a big deal. Now, it's not a big deal in terms of the big picture of the auto industry as a whole. But for those who think of cars as not mere means of conveyance, it just sucks that the top-dog Ferrari doesn't have powerplant type that's so linked with the marque*.


*one can argue one of the most iconic Ferraris, the F40, didn't have a V12 but a V8, but still...

 

[Revvd]

Not enough space to rape kids though. The steering wheel is too big.

 

[Revvd]

Should have just kept this camera angle the whole time. But no, apparently we need dramatic drone aerobatics for some reason.