3 Series (F30) F30 328i vs 335i - Real World Impressions


The sixth generation of the BMW 3 Series consists of the BMW F30 (sedan version), BMW F31 (wagon version, marketed as 'Touring') and BMW F34 (fastback version, marketed as 'Gran Turismo') compact executive cars. The F30/F31/F34 generation was produced from October 2011 to 2019 and is often collectively referred to as the F30. For the sixth generation, the coupé and convertible models were spun off to create the new BMW 4 Series nameplate.
Yes, klier, weight of the N20 is probably about 40 kg lighter (circa 140 kg) than the N55. In dry, uninstalled engine terms - quite a bit. But in the greater context of a 1400 kg car? 2.9%. Yes, the front-end will turn in sharper but you know that BMW mounts their engines from the front axle aft-wards. If this was an Audi MLB platform car I'd say "big advantage" but not here. The difference in a tank of fuel is 40 kg. Your anorexic, bulimic, coke-snorting, catwalk model girlfriend is 40 kg. The weight difference is recoverable elsewhere; the massive difference in character is recoverable nowhere.

@Osnabrueck - I can't remember if your A4 was a quattro or not. It makes for a fair difference when thinking about what I'd end up going for. You make much mention of xi models - is AWD a prerequisite? Lifestyle traveller too by the looks of it?

Pity you Americans are averse to Diesel. I have a new-found penchant for fast diesels (hate them on the track; love them on the road) and today I quickly took the time to assess what I ought to be aiming for next. I took a 330d M-Sport out for a drive. Inline six cylinder engines are boss. That's still the best darned diesel engine in the world - creamy smooth, lovely sound when stonked, huge real-world pace. 6.8L / 100 km. I'm not convinced by the M-Sport suspension though - it's by no means brittle and jarring like that of an S-Line A4 but I think the best bet is to go for a Sport Line with Adaptive M suspension and Sport Auto - seems like the smart money goes there to me.
 
Your anorexic, bulimic, coke-snorting, catwalk model girlfriend is 40 kg

That's just..... scary close!
Get rid of those IP webcams in my house damnit!

On topic, lets talk about difference in character when there's an actual product. An M made 4 cylinder based on the new modular architecture sounds awefully exiting. And so does the new regular 4 cylinder. The N20 already is standard setting, the new one will be even better.
 
That's just..... scary close!
Get rid of those IP webcams in my house damnit!

Ha ha - sorry man - I'll call my spies to do an uninstallation tomorrow.

On topic, lets talk about difference in character when there's an actual product. An M made 4 cylinder based on the new modular architecture sounds awefully exiting. And so does the new regular 4 cylinder. The N20 already is standard setting, the new one will be even better.

Noted. But one thing that will never change is the intrinsic character afforded by the physics that make an inline 6 so special. Inline fours will always just be inline fours... imo.
 
I know, but just for this specific model, M2, an I4 imo is perfect!

Particularly because a) there already is a great I6 2er and b) the M3 already has an I6 with 'just' 420 hp. There's little room for another, slightly weaker M I6. Wouldn't make much sense to me, between 300 and 400 hp is the domain of 4 cylinders now.
 
@Osnabrueck - I can't remember if your A4 was a quattro or not. It makes for a fair difference when thinking about what I'd end up going for. You make much mention of xi models - is AWD a prerequisite? Lifestyle traveller too by the looks of it?

...I'm not convinced by the M-Sport suspension though - it's by no means brittle and jarring like that of an S-Line A4 but I think the best bet is to go for a Sport Line with Adaptive M suspension and Sport Auto - seems like the smart money goes there to me.


It's Quattro! Not a huge requirement for me but I do take the odd trip up to Tahoe in the winter and the AWD comes in handy. The other 98% of the time it really doesn't matter.

Speaking of suspension - I've been scoping CPO F30s with 'Dynamic Handling Package' only. I read from owners that the Adaptive Suspension is a must-have option and makes a huge difference in day-to-day driving. I REALLY want it for my commute since driving through my neck of SF is like a war zone.
 
Though I haven't spent huge amounts of time behind the wheel of either just a couple of days in each what I don't notice was a willingness to change direction in the 328 that wasn't present in the 335, I know I'm being hypercritical here but there is a difference.

Personally the I4 isn't a patch on the I6 for smoothness it's always willing to rev and feels gutsy and more than enough for public roads plus it's more more economical which in this day and age is very important.

Conclusion: if you have to have the silky six then go for it but don't feel short changed if you don't because in every other way it's the smarter choice.
 
I had a go in 428i M not long ago. The sound coming from the car was great, at the time I didn't miss a I6. I've also driven 328i but the car didnt sound as good as 4-series, they must be done something different for the 4-series.
 
Ok guys… [sips coffee]

This is very frustrating because what I took away from yesterday's test drives is the sort of thing you really want to sit down and discuss over a beer, not the sort of thing that translates well to a forum post - especially when I have a frightening pile of things to get done, none of which involve writing screeds about the minutia of German cars...



Where to start?



First impressions of the F30… Wow what a cheap interior. Damn what a nice infotainment screen. Hot damn! Power fold-in mirrors!

Let's fire this bad bow up… Wow, steering is like throwing a hotdog down a hallway...



The F30 gave me very conflicted feelings. Coming out of my S-Line A4, the interior feels a half-class down. Steering wheel has a nice girth, but the grain of the leather feels a bit rough - not 'buttery' like the Audi. Overall not a fan of BMW's Dakota leather. It's has a course, pebbly grain that feels out of place with the fluid swoops of the dash. The 328i I checked out with Coral Red leather helped things quite a bit - the contrast in the cabin felt much better than the black leather - If I was to buy one of these any color but black would be my first choice… iDrive is great… It beats the daylights out of MMI. Outstanding integration of a 'BMW experience', superb screen resolution and graphics capabilities. The UI/UX nazi in me was impressed. First time I could say I've felt a genuinely holistic digital experience outside of a Tesla Model S.



On the road, steering feel is an immediate, glaring disappointment. Driving back to back with an E90 it was clear, and sad how the character of the 3er has been irreversibly changed. Even in Sport+, it felt as though the car was just saying 'ok I'll make steering slightly more difficult' instead of imparting any kind of road feedback. It is terrible? No, but it's the same as the A4… artificial, video game'y, unBMW'ish. There's some cognitive dissonance between what you feel in your hands, and what you hear in the cabin…



Which brings us to these two engines..

The N55 is what you expect - totally adequate power, smooth, creates a pleasant soundtrack that's feels like the perfect facsimile of what you think a BMW should sound like in your imagination. A little bit slower on the uptake than I expected… Something about the action of the throttle didn't feel right to me, even in Sport+. Maybe it's just the sensation of being in a brand new car that still has packing plastic on the doorsills. Anyways, the soundtrack puts a smile on your face, everything seems right in the world, feels like one couldn't want for anything else in a Beemer…



But the N20… Boy oh boy, that N20! Guys - I gotta tell ya… BMW opened up pandora's box for the obsessive car shopper with this engine! It's like the engineers sent the four cylinder to I6 boot camp to hang out with a bunch of roughneck inline sixes to go through hell week and learn the meaning of performance. It's got character! It's a distinctly different experience from the I6 - At low speeds it develops power with a pretty mild demeanor - it goes about its business doing a very good impersonation of a six cylinder… Then when you open it up… It's like it's been listening for your signal, like a young Siberian Husky that's been cooped up in the apartment all day, ready to burn a bad one. The soundtrack… It's so adjusted, so sweetened, it's A THING. You could tell that engineers spent months tuning the soundtrack of this engine to be the best representation of a BMW experience. Is it better or worse than the I6? Well… It's DIFFERENT. It's rowdy, raspy, and very un-I6'like. But it's a different thing, and something really enjoyable unto itself. There's so much enthusiasm being projected from this engine, yeah it's been coaxed, massaged and coached to sound like this, but it's almost like you want to shout 'bbbeerrrerrrrmmmmm' along with it.



Performance wise, the N20 left little to be desired, even though it felt a couple ticks slower than the I6. Thing is, it makes up for that gap with enthusiasm, and a soundtrack that says 'I'm on this.' It really felt more like 270 than 240hp, and my gut told me this engine was a good tick faster than the 2.0T in the A4. To summarize… mostly effortless around town, then shouting when you open it up and matching all the bark with bite.



Then there was weight - Now I didn't check how full the respective gas tanks were of these two cars, but I did notice a sense of 'added lightness' with the 328i. It's subtle, but it's another spiff that you may notice with your spidey senses.



So back to the E90 - After testing these two fun cars, and their Mattel steering - We took a spin in a non-sport line 328i automatic. Immediately, before even leaving the parking lot, I felt at home. The steering on the E90 ten changes everything. You're driving with the car, not in the car. Yeah the interior is a bit of a mess, but the feeling you get looking over the hood is nothing short of sublime. Damn, I should have gotten one of these a long, long time ago. The NA I6 makes a nice sound, but feels underpowered, especially with the GM Sourced 6 speed. If you're going to go E90/92/93 seems like a late model 335i is the only way to go - preferably manual (they just started using the ZF8 tranny with the F30 gen, right?)



So what's this all mean?



A few things…

1: An F31 328xi wagon would do just fine if the right one came along. Steering be damned.

2: I'm suddenly interested in an E90 or E93 M3.

3: Renewed appreciation for what my A4 does right - especially how well the interior is sorted.



As for the N55 vs N20 debate… MIssion accomplished for the N20. The line between the 328i and 335i has been completely blurred by this new engine and I don't see the 335i having any clear superiority in normal driving conditions. I have to say that the 335i is now purely a choice of aesthetics - It's almost like comparing wines. Much as I felt that the I6 an ideal experience - when you factor in a price difference and the characteristics of the 328i - I'd have to say that nobody would be making a mistake or shortchanging themselves going for the 328i. It's a rowdy engine that is still BMW'ish in execution, just in a different way than what we're used to.



Forgot to mention suspension - The F30's sport suspension is VERY well sorted. Great balance of sharpness without harshness. Huge improvement when contrasted with my teeth-rattling s-line suspension.



Which one would I buy? Almost impossible to say. Feels like I'd have to spend a week or more commuting with each car to develop a concrete opinion. But all things being equal - and they're not, being that the 335i stickers for about $4k more - the 335i feels like an indulgence.



TL-DR - The N20 is impressive. F30 steering disappoints. There is no right answer in the F30 328i vs 335i debate it's genuinely subjective. Audi interiors will spoil you. Now looking at E90/E93 M3s. Also eager to test drive a F30 335i with a manual.
 
N20 is wonderful for the 3er.
But I have got to give it to Sunny. Just go for a facelifted E90 M3 and be done with it. Superior on all fronts except fuel consumption.
And DON'T buy the E93 M3. It has some serious weight issues.

F line BMWs aren't up to snuff. The only good F lines are the F01 (but it's old now) and the F22.
Don't agree with the interior assessment. You probably have to get used to it a bit, after spending a long time in the A4. F30 is far and away superior to the old and current A4, imo. My sister has a B6 Avant, and I find it to be rather ancient. Though I must admit, quality is A-okay.

If you're going to go E90/92/93 seems like a late model 335i is the only way to go - preferably manual (they just started using the ZF8 tranny with the F30 gen, right?)

Yes. And even if they were available back on the E90, 6 speed is the way to go. Come on Osna, you're from Europe and should drive stick!
 
For the sake of it, try a 4-series. I find the steering to be better than F30, more weight and feel. I dont know if its because one came with servotronic and the other one with the optional Variable sportsteering.
 
For the sake of it, try a 4-series. I find the steering to be better than F30, more weight and feel. I dont know if its because one came with servotronic and the other one with the optional Variable sportsteering.

I wonder since he said he was considering an F31 would the practicality of the 4 series be an issue?
 
I wonder since he said he was considering an F31 would the practicality of the 4 series be an issue?

He said he is also considering an E93 M3. E93 M3 is the cabrio, and by far the least practical of them all.
So no, I don't think it's an issue.
 
Wow. I just spent the last 15 minutes doing power slides and burnouts in my buddy's E90 M3. Goddamn that was fun.

Don't agree with the interior assessment. You probably have to get used to it a bit, after spending a long time in the A4. F30 is far and away superior to the old and current A4, imo. My sister has a B6 Avant, and I find it to be rather ancient. Though I must admit, quality is A-okay.

Yes. And even if they were available back on the E90, 6 speed is the way to go. Come on Osna, you're from Europe and should drive stick!

Some more context - My A4 S-Line has alcantara seat and door inserts. It's a ridiculously good cabin. Maybe a bit unfair to judge by this bar but I gotta take the contrast into consideration.

About the manual - I have my eye on a totally loaded CPO manual 335 that has been marked-down three times since nobody in SF wants to row gears. Taking a drive this weekend. Very excited.
 
About the manual - I have my eye on a totally loaded CPO manual 335 that has been marked-down three times since nobody in SF wants to row gears. Taking a drive this weekend. Very excited.

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Ok guys… [sips coffee]

This is very frustrating because what I took away from yesterday's test drives is the sort of thing you really want to sit down and discuss over a beer, not the sort of thing that translates well to a forum post - especially when I have a frightening pile of things to get done, none of which involve writing screeds about the minutia of German cars...



Where to start?



First impressions of the F30… Wow what a cheap interior. Damn what a nice infotainment screen. Hot damn! Power fold-in mirrors!

Let's fire this bad bow up… Wow, steering is like throwing a hotdog down a hallway...



The F30 gave me very conflicted feelings. Coming out of my S-Line A4, the interior feels a half-class down. Steering wheel has a nice girth, but the grain of the leather feels a bit rough - not 'buttery' like the Audi. Overall not a fan of BMW's Dakota leather. It's has a course, pebbly grain that feels out of place with the fluid swoops of the dash. The 328i I checked out with Coral Red leather helped things quite a bit - the contrast in the cabin felt much better than the black leather - If I was to buy one of these any color but black would be my first choice… iDrive is great… It beats the daylights out of MMI. Outstanding integration of a 'BMW experience', superb screen resolution and graphics capabilities. The UI/UX nazi in me was impressed. First time I could say I've felt a genuinely holistic digital experience outside of a Tesla Model S.



On the road, steering feel is an immediate, glaring disappointment. Driving back to back with an E90 it was clear, and sad how the character of the 3er has been irreversibly changed. Even in Sport+, it felt as though the car was just saying 'ok I'll make steering slightly more difficult' instead of imparting any kind of road feedback. It is terrible? No, but it's the same as the A4… artificial, video game'y, unBMW'ish. There's some cognitive dissonance between what you feel in your hands, and what you hear in the cabin…



Which brings us to these two engines..

The N55 is what you expect - totally adequate power, smooth, creates a pleasant soundtrack that's feels like the perfect facsimile of what you think a BMW should sound like in your imagination. A little bit slower on the uptake than I expected… Something about the action of the throttle didn't feel right to me, even in Sport+. Maybe it's just the sensation of being in a brand new car that still has packing plastic on the doorsills. Anyways, the soundtrack puts a smile on your face, everything seems right in the world, feels like one couldn't want for anything else in a Beemer…



But the N20… Boy oh boy, that N20! Guys - I gotta tell ya… BMW opened up pandora's box for the obsessive car shopper with this engine! It's like the engineers sent the four cylinder to I6 boot camp to hang out with a bunch of roughneck inline sixes to go through hell week and learn the meaning of performance. It's got character! It's a distinctly different experience from the I6 - At low speeds it develops power with a pretty mild demeanor - it goes about its business doing a very good impersonation of a six cylinder… Then when you open it up… It's like it's been listening for your signal, like a young Siberian Husky that's been cooped up in the apartment all day, ready to burn a bad one. The soundtrack… It's so adjusted, so sweetened, it's A THING. You could tell that engineers spent months tuning the soundtrack of this engine to be the best representation of a BMW experience. Is it better or worse than the I6? Well… It's DIFFERENT. It's rowdy, raspy, and very un-I6'like. But it's a different thing, and something really enjoyable unto itself. There's so much enthusiasm being projected from this engine, yeah it's been coaxed, massaged and coached to sound like this, but it's almost like you want to shout 'bbbeerrrerrrrmmmmm' along with it.



Performance wise, the N20 left little to be desired, even though it felt a couple ticks slower than the I6. Thing is, it makes up for that gap with enthusiasm, and a soundtrack that says 'I'm on this.' It really felt more like 270 than 240hp, and my gut told me this engine was a good tick faster than the 2.0T in the A4. To summarize… mostly effortless around town, then shouting when you open it up and matching all the bark with bite.



Then there was weight - Now I didn't check how full the respective gas tanks were of these two cars, but I did notice a sense of 'added lightness' with the 328i. It's subtle, but it's another spiff that you may notice with your spidey senses.



So back to the E90 - After testing these two fun cars, and their Mattel steering - We took a spin in a non-sport line 328i automatic. Immediately, before even leaving the parking lot, I felt at home. The steering on the E90 ten changes everything. You're driving with the car, not in the car. Yeah the interior is a bit of a mess, but the feeling you get looking over the hood is nothing short of sublime. Damn, I should have gotten one of these a long, long time ago. The NA I6 makes a nice sound, but feels underpowered, especially with the GM Sourced 6 speed. If you're going to go E90/92/93 seems like a late model 335i is the only way to go - preferably manual (they just started using the ZF8 tranny with the F30 gen, right?)



So what's this all mean?



A few things…

1: An F31 328xi wagon would do just fine if the right one came along. Steering be damned.

2: I'm suddenly interested in an E90 or E93 M3.

3: Renewed appreciation for what my A4 does right - especially how well the interior is sorted.



As for the N55 vs N20 debate… MIssion accomplished for the N20. The line between the 328i and 335i has been completely blurred by this new engine and I don't see the 335i having any clear superiority in normal driving conditions. I have to say that the 335i is now purely a choice of aesthetics - It's almost like comparing wines. Much as I felt that the I6 an ideal experience - when you factor in a price difference and the characteristics of the 328i - I'd have to say that nobody would be making a mistake or shortchanging themselves going for the 328i. It's a rowdy engine that is still BMW'ish in execution, just in a different way than what we're used to.



Forgot to mention suspension - The F30's sport suspension is VERY well sorted. Great balance of sharpness without harshness. Huge improvement when contrasted with my teeth-rattling s-line suspension.



Which one would I buy? Almost impossible to say. Feels like I'd have to spend a week or more commuting with each car to develop a concrete opinion. But all things being equal - and they're not, being that the 335i stickers for about $4k more - the 335i feels like an indulgence.



TL-DR - The N20 is impressive. F30 steering disappoints. There is no right answer in the F30 328i vs 335i debate it's genuinely subjective. Audi interiors will spoil you. Now looking at E90/E93 M3s. Also eager to test drive a F30 335i with a manual.

Brilliant post! When I test drove the N20 a couple of years ago... I said something like "You no longer have to buy a 335i"
It's a brilliant 4pot but I'd still rather get the juicy I6.

On the E90 topic: Yes, you have missed on all the fun(actually it's never too late). It's a million times better than the F30 when it comes to driving enjoyment.
From all the cars I've owned I love my 318d E90 the most.
 

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