CLK-Class (C209) EVO CLK63 AMG review

[Zafiro]

it's a DSG

ALi, its not DSG, only Audi use DSG so far but I know BMW and MB are working on a DSG.

 

[ALI]

ALi, its not DSG, only Audi use DSG so far but I know BMW and MB are working on a DSG.

My bad , I thought I read these new AMG trannys are DSG ...

 

[Deutsch]

It seems to me that most here misunderstand the meaning of hardcore driving enthusiast ... Deutsch , the CLK 63 is not a 500 , it's a performance model , hig revving+large displacement , sensationally quick gear box and it's a DSG ..... You can controll the gearbox with that AMG manual mode , AMG suspension , new AMG brakes all arround ....... Body balance steering feel and handling in this car is amazing , plus ESP can be completely switched off ..........


Now tell me what's not so hardcore driving enthusiast about this masterpiece ??

I'd encourage you to keep believing that ALI. However history and facts tell us something entirely different, AMG's are about straight line performance, not all roundtrack mastery and tactility, as an M is. AMG can inundate a car w/ the sporitest software settings, suspensions, bodykits, but at the end of the day, unlesss it's a DTM car, it's just a fast Mercedes Benz and nothing more. Now that's not belittling AMG's efforts or their cars, but for someone wanting a car that has some sort of supernatural ability, transforming asphalt into touch, giving you qualities of all round feel from all the cars moving parts that put the power to the road and maintain it.... well that's asking for something different from an AMG. You can call that "fanboy" behavior, but it's not, it's the honest truth that any respectable car enthusiast will acknowledge as fact.

 

[wltsm]

I'm sorry Deutsch but I'd have to disagree with you there! If the F/Led SL55 AMG is anything to go by, AMGs have changed and now they are good round the twisties as well. If you remember the SL55 beat an M6 around a track, and thats without a CF roof or any of the other go faster technology the M6 has!

I think the SL55 can changed my mind about AMG cars, which the CLK DTM car started!

 

[Zafiro]

If you remember the SL55 beat an M6 around a track, and thats without a CF roof or any of the other go faster technology the M6 has!

Well, in Autobild the M6 was faster than facelifted SL55 around their track. In Sportauto facelifted SL55 was 2.1 seconds slower than M6 around Hochenheim but the same time as the M5.
So its obvisoly it depend on the track, the SL55 beat the M6 one time around a track but it doesnt mean its going to win on every track in the world which Autobild and Sportauto showed us.

 

[Deutsch]

I'm sorry Deutsch but I'd have to disagree with you there! If the F/Led SL55 AMG is anything to go by, AMGs have changed and now they are good round the twisties as well. If you remember the SL55 beat an M6 around a track, and thats without a CF roof or any of the other go faster technology the M6 has!

I think the SL55 can changed my mind about AMG cars, which the CLK DTM car started!

Have you looked at the torque figures of the SL55 compared to the M6????????? That's the only reason the M6 got beat round the track, and as I have already pointed out, AMG's are all about straightline speed. I doubt the track consisted of more curves than straight aways, so the fact that the M6 got beat round a track by an SL55 is a very minor offense. Mentinoning the CF roof is neihter here nor there, that's only about a 10lb or so weight savings over the std. steel roof found on the core 6er coupe. I already made my point, don't see the need to keep repeating myself.

 

[wltsm]

Yes, I get that just_me, but it does show everyone that AMGs aren't just about straight line performance as I always thought, they are good around bends as well! A car which couldn't handle very well couldn't beat the M6 around any track, so it shows the SL55 is very good, also I'm sure it's much heavier than the M6 considering it has the folding hard top!

 

[wltsm]

OK Deutsch, so you're saying the reason why the SL55 was faster than the M6 was because of power, which I can understand! I sure the reason for that is because of bigger displacement and a supercharger, but the old SL55 which had similar amounts of power to the new one and it would never beat an M6 around a track, so something has changed!

Can someone please post power figures of the SL55 to compare with the M6!

 

[Zafiro]

Yes, I get that just_me, but it does show everyone that AMGs aren't just about straight line performance as I always thought, they are good around bends as well! A car which couldn't handle very well couldn't beat the M6 around any track, so it shows the SL55 is very good, also I'm sure it's much heavier than the M6 considering it has the folding hard top!

yes its a heavier car but it also 10 cm lower than a M6 which mean the lower center of gravity is extremly low and thats help around a track as well.


BTW before the facelift, SL55 was one second faster than M5 around Nordschleife. SL has alwyas been good handling cars.

 

[wltsm]

yes its a heavier car but it also 10 cm lower than a M6 which mean the lower center of gravity is extremly low and thats help around a track as well.

Oh right, didn't know that fact, thanks for correcting me!

Some MB fans need to come, I fell like I'm holding up the fort for you guys, lol!

 

[Deutsch]

I see this thread going somewhere I don't like (i know someone will misconstrew this words too as me "running away"), and the one person that could be backing me up here isn't .

 

[wltsm]

OK, lets stay on topic!

So the CLK 63, can't wait to read the first review, I has to have a lot of potential with 480bhp!

 

[ALI]

I'd encourage you to keep believing that ALI. However history and facts tell us something entirely different, AMG's are about straight line performance, not all roundtrack mastery and tactility, as an M is. AMG can inundate a car w/ the sporitest software settings, suspensions, bodykits, but at the end of the day, unlesss it's a DTM car, it's just a fast Mercedes Benz and nothing more. Now that's not belittling AMG's efforts or their cars, but for someone wanting a car that has some sort of supernatural ability, transforming asphalt into touch, giving you qualities of all round feel from all the cars moving parts that put the power to the road and maintain it.... well that's asking for something different from an AMG. You can call that "fanboy" behavior, but it's not, it's the honest truth that any respectable car enthusiast will acknowledge as fact.

I dont agree with what you are saying Deutsch , you have to understand something here : if an AMG is a little slower than a M model arround tracks, that doesnt mean that they suck and are nonsport oriented models , I have driven these cars , I know what's the difference between a regular car and an exotic ..... I dont know about you but it sounds like you havent driven an AMG , how about the SLK55 ? or the CLS 55 ? dont these latest models surprise you ? the CLS was slightly slower arround the track against the M5 ...... I said this before and Ill say it again , expect the unexpected from these new models . And yes the truth hurts , why bother and go change two thousand parts on a car if they dont come out on top ? Why bother and change the engine after only 4 years of it's launch ? There's a mission , you have to respect their effort DEUTSCH .... They are more than straight line , I was driving my uncle's E55 last night , it's an 06 and guess what it handles better than the older E55s , I took sharp corners with ease , I enjoyed it because it's an E55 , a high performance model ......PEACE

 

[ALI]

Oh right, didn't know that fact, thanks for correcting me!

Some MB fans need to come, I fell like I'm holding up the fort for you guys, lol!

I got it from here BMW dude ........

 

[ALI]

I see this thread going somewhere I don't like (i know someone will misconstrew this words too as me "running away"), and the one person that could be backing me up here isn't .

And who is that ? Mr BMW ?Ooops , im sorry I meant Mr Mercedes ?

 

[gustavo]

... but for someone wanting a car that has some sort of supernatural ability, transforming asphalt into touch, giving you qualities of all round feel from all the cars moving parts that put the power to the road and maintain it....

... then you should by a Porsche

 

[Deutsch]

I'm not going to engage in a child like mach battle w/ you my freind. I said what I said and meant it, and that comes not from a biased attitude but from research and common knowledge being the car nut that I am. FYI, I have driven AMG cars before, more specifically both the C and S55 AMG models(both 05's). Thank you.

 

[Deutsch]

... then you should by a Porsche

Porsche is in a class of it's own.

 

[ALI]

I'm not going to engage in a child like mach battle w/ you my freind. I said what I said and meant it, and that comes not from a biased attitude but from research and common knowledge being the car nut that I am. FYI, I have driven AMG cars before, more specifically both the C and S55 AMG models(both 05's). Thank you.

COOL , it's not a child like match , and im not saying that you are being biased ... But Im sorry , somehow your info is wrong and your research is negative , and being a car nut that I am I cannot agree on anything but ignorance from your posts ...But it's cool , I dont want to judge members , but I will feel free to keep replying to every bit and but ....

And Deutsch , be on the look out for the CLK63 , it's gonna be something else , and remember my words ......OK?

 

[Deutsch]

I've become some sort of an easy target for the members on this forum, even the mods, sad. Before you brand someone else a negative term, take a look at yourself, and see if you are truly any better??? Because someone doesn't agree w/ your ideas does not make their research "negative" or that particular individual "ignorant". This thread is getting out of hand, I never knew people had such a heavy handed approach in responding to others opinons/experiences. Too much fanboy B.S. going on around here. I hoenstly have better things to do. This thread is ruined.