M3/M4 E92 M3 discussion thread III

[Zafiro]

the CLK63 is a very underestimated car..beacuse its flawed..and old chassi
but ppl forget..it has freakin 481hp..thats NUTTS.. in a straigt line it should be fast as HELL..

yes sure if straightline acceleration is very important to you then its a car for you. If you want a more appealing car, a more dynamic car then choose something else.

 

[LaArtist]

Here we go again with that Mercedes straight line talk!

wow.. whats wrong with you ?
all i said was..ppl sometimes forget that the car has 480hp... given that its roghly the same size as the M3..
and i said that its nutts.. and it should be fast in a straigt line..wich both are valid things to say...
so whats wrong with that..??
im not saying that its better than the M3..heck its hardly better than the old M3 when it comes to track driving..
and to be honest i rather have the new M3 over a CLK63...

But i was just saying that ppl forget.. (or atleast i do) that it has 481hp

Now if any of you guys have issues with that..
i cant help you further


PS
White

 

[PanterroR]

Easy, guys... Let's not ruin the thread. Post your opinions, they're welcome, but no fights please and no vs stuff...

Thanks!

 

[RICHBOY]

wow.. whats wrong with you ?
all i said was..ppl sometimes forget that the car has 480hp... given that its roghly the same size as the M3..
and i said that its nutts.. and it should be fast in a straigt line..wich both are valid things to say...
so whats wrong with that..??
im not saying that its better than the M3..heck its hardly better than the old M3 when it comes to track driving..
and to be honest i rather have the new M3 over a CLK63...

But i was just saying that ppl forget.. (or atleast i do) that it has 481hp

Now if any of you guys have issues with that..
i cant help you further


PS
White

Relax Artist! I wasn't trying to start trouble, it's just that every time anyone mentioned Mercedes and performance in the same line their always talking about "Straight Line Performance". It seems to undermind Mercedes AMG handling abilities!

 

[LaArtist]

^yep ppl tend to do that.. in this case its true also..cause the CLK isnt a good handler

 

[martinbo]

Yes, it's imperative that we don't enter into a CLK63 vs. M3 fan war... but I have to ask: is a CLK really that crap around a circuit? I doubt it. In fact I hear it's rather good for what it is.

Besides, the CLK and M3 Coupe were never toe-to-toe competitors.

 

[LaArtist]

^well all i heard about it being bad..is from BMW fans..
and now that i think about it..it could be very much BShaha

 

[Zafiro]

Yes, it's imperative that we don't enter into a CLK63 vs. M3 fan war... but I have to ask: is a CLK really that crap around a circuit? I doubt it. In fact I hear it's rather good for what it is.

Besides, the CLK and M3 Coupe were never toe-to-toe competitors.

Bad and Bad!! it all depends on what we compare it to. Its good compared to a Skoda and bad compared to a Porsche.

 

[south]

M-Dynamics is a marketing term.

Basically it's an advanced active chassis management system (similar to one in M5 & M6) yet based on a FlexRay technology. Due faster and better communication (via FlexRay) between several chassis & drivetrain sub-systems (eg. suspension, brakes, engine, gearbox etc) the car is able to react in milliseconds - resulting in better driving dynamics (handling, traction, steering etc).

PS: regarding some features (eg HUD, EDC, CF roof etc) I was told this: "Who would then buy an M5 / M6 if one can get same features on a cheaper M3 with only 80hp less, yet lighter & agiler?"

I think my sources made a point.

M3 (all versions) are positioned below M5 / M6 in every respect.

Of course M3 is more nimble & agile since it's smaller & lighter. And size + weight are also the reasons 5er / 6er need some more electronic help to fight the laws of physics, while no need for 3er to get that help.

Which of these statements are right? Will the M3 have the flexray M-Dynamics system featuring active chassis management like you said earlier or will the EDC system be exclusive for M5/M6?? But in that case a flexray implementation wouldn't make sense!

Best regards, south

 

[beckhammania23]

 

[PanterroR]

So, the plate is finally on right place!

Thanks, Becks!

 

[Zafiro]

Im praying every night the fenders are getting wider ala RS4

 

[SCOTT27]

"Performance and Dynamics : Reloaded."

The final photography has taken place this time alongside the huge
Airbus A380 and in front of the huge Rolls-Royce engineered turbine engines of an Airbus A380 . This will probably be used for BMW magazine and media pool.

 

[ILC32]

Which of these statements are right? Will the M3 have the flexray M-Dynamics system featuring active chassis management like you said earlier or will the EDC system be exclusive for M5/M6?? But in that case a flexray implementation wouldn't make sense!

Best regards, south

I'm beginning to think that M Dynamics will use shocks with magnetically controlled valves in combination with adjustable sway bars/active roll stabilization, similar to adaptive drive in the new X5.

 

[PanterroR]

Can't wait!

 

[EnI]

M Dynamic has nothing to do with EDC.

It's just a special DSC program / mode set by M engineers to fit performance sporty nature of M cars better. This is what I called "active chassis management". According to my info Flexray will be used to control the DSC - meaning collecting info from engine, suspension, brakes, gearbox etc, sending it to DSC unit to be processed, sending specific commands what to do back to the peripherals.

E90 platform - as far as I know - was not designed to feature same active suspension components (eg. EDC, ARS etc) as E60/63 platform. But you can hope I'm wrong after all.

As said earlier: F01 7er will be the first BMW (production car ever?) to have fully implemented FlexRay: meaning all in-car communication will be based on FlexRay - including eg. active suspension, DSC, xDrive etc.

 

[LaArtist]

OMG this is just so gr8 news.. the licence plate on the boot..and not the bumper..
so happy

 

[ILC32]

M Dynamic has nothing to do with EDC.

It's just a special DSC program / mode set by M engineers to fit performance sporty nature of M cars better. This is what I called "active chassis management". According to my info Flexray will be used to control the DSC - meaning collecting info from engine, suspension, brakes, gearbox etc, sending it to DSC unit to be processed, sending specific commands what to do back to the peripherals.

E90 platform - as far as I know - was not designed to feature same active suspension components (eg. EDC, ARS etc) as E60/63 platform. But you can hope I'm wrong after all.

If M Dynamics is a major talking point for this car as Scott says, and as Eni says it is merely recalibrated DSC, that is pretty underwhelming.

I hope you are wrong Eni. Not sure how flexray could be used to collect info from the suspension, or what use the info would be, if the suspension is a purely conventional setup.

 

[tobajara]

 

[dyna-niet]

OMG this is just so gr8 news.. the licence plate on the boot..and not the bumper..
so happy

me too