COVID-19 COVID19 Theories

[WBarnes]

You mean like Japan right? Take a look at this study sh...

You're measuring lethality by included non-infected people in with the infected people. That's like measuring the success rate of a medication by including people who didn't take it in with the people who did. Can you not understand this?

 

[WBarnes]

Relevant and competent elaborations from our Swedish GCF me...

Sweden's population density is 23/km^2, the UK's is 271/km^2 and England's (where most of the stats arise) is 432/km^2, so it's apples and oranges. Scotland would be more comparable but even they are 68/km^2.

 

[donkeykong]

You're measuring lethality by included non-infected peop...

Sorry,but you're a troll.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Sweden's population density is 23/km^2, the UK's is 271/...

Density plays a huge role here.

 

[donkeykong]

Density plays a huge role here.

What exactly are you disagreeing with?

1) Covid-19 infection fatality rates (IFR) based on antibody studies

Studies on Covid-19 lethality

I cited a study examining fatality rate of those infected with Covid19 based on antibody testing.

Either @WBarnes is deliberately trolling or he is devoid of reading comprehension ability.

 

[WBarnes]

What exactly are you disagreeing with?

1)...

There are world stats on the number infections and the number of deaths.

WHO Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) Dashboard

Coronavirus Update (Live): 8,064,828 Cases and 437,242 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Coronavirus Cases:
8,064,828
Deaths:
437,242
Recovered:
4,174,782

That's more like 5.5% fatality, was 6% until recently. I suspect the recent reduction is due to the rapid spike in cases in South America, rather than a reduction in lethality.

 

[donkeykong]

Your fatality rate is comically high,for sake of other members please delete the post. You may not want to take my word for it,but perhaps a Nobel Prize winner can convince you otherwise.

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[WBarnes]

It should also be noted that the deadliest pandemics of the late 20th century only had very low mortality rates of around 0.5%, e.g. Asian Flu.

 

[J.E]

I don't want to sound like a denier, but I took my mom to a hospital two weeks ago and we surprised to see how the hospital was deserted. I mean, given all the fear mongering from the media, you'd expect to see chaos, but everything was very calm.

 

[donkeykong]

@Centurion Here's a great article speaking on the glaring ineptitude of PCR testing. The reason why I question the numbers they are citing.

COVID19 PCR Tests are Scientifically Meaningless

 

[donkeykong]

I don't want to sound like a denier, but I took my mom to a...

I make no bones about it when I say this has nothing to do with a virus. I am far more concerned with what this virus appears to be a proxy for.

 

[donkeykong]

Great clips arguing the ridiculousness of lockdowns.

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[Matski]

@manuelf

Germany went into lockdown at 8 deaths, the UK went into lockdown at 285 deaths. Germany was testing 500,000 people, while we in the UK were testing 7,000 people (with kits that weren't known to work from China). I believe our lockdown restrictions were comparable, we have comparable population density - and we're an island. The key difference being that Germany acted 8 days sooner... the outcome... we have 44,000 dead people, versus Germany's 9,000. Our excess mortality rate is somewhere between 80% and 100% - Covid has literally killed as many people as everything else combined, Germany has barely seen 6% of deaths due to Covid.

Whatever you want to say about the German response or the Chancellors actions, you've done a ****-load better managing the virus than we have.

 

[donkeykong]

The key difference being that Germany acted 8 days sooner... the outcome... we have 44,000 dead people, versus Germany's 9,000. Our excess mortality rate is somewhere between 80% and 100% - Covid has literally killed as many people as everything else combined, Germany has barely seen 6% of deaths due to Covid.

Comical,those numbers are complete bullshit. How did they determine Covid was the cause of death?

 

[manuelf]

Comical,those numbers are complete bullshit. How did th...

This is an interesting question! For germany the following can be said: Everyone who dies with positive Corona test (don't want to go to great lengths about the quality/correctness of those PCR tests, which are rather weak) is counted as died by/from Corona. This is admitted practice here, but it is NOT very scientific.
At the beginning our RKI (Robert Koch Institute - governmental institution for deceases) wanted to forbid pathologists to examine the deads (died by Corona). The association of pathologists in germany did intervene successfully against. Professor Püschel from Hamburg did then examine more than 100 "Corona deads".
The result of his examination: All of them had severe pre-illness, which would have lead to death almost immediately/very soon. He - as a very prominent/highly valued pathologist - refused publically to categorize those official Covid-19 deaths as being died by Corona: Dead with Corona - minus the uncertainty of the pcr test results.

By the way: From none of those died by corona (attested by positive PCR test) an additional influenza test (or any other test for a virus family) has been conducted.

 

[donkeykong]

This is an interesting question! For germany the followi...

Agreed,and I truly appreciate you providing truthful insight. What @Matski refuses to acknowledge still, is that trying to achieve a diagnosis through PCR testing is the equivalent of shaking a magic 8 ball.
I will keep challenging him if he cites fraudulent numbers that support tyrannical lockdowns.

 

[Matski]

I will keep challenging him if he cites fraudulent numbers that support tyrannical lockdowns.

So, if I'm honest, I've no intention of entering into selective source jousting match on the subject, I've been more interested in allowing you to paint a picture of your attitude to the whole situation. I don't suppose for an instant that either of us will change the other persons point of view, and it's clear that you'll cite any source that supports a view that lock down is wrong. So there's no point in wasting either of our time. For ****'s and giggles, I was going to ask what you think the people under this red line are dying of, if they're not dying of Coronavirus related Covid-19... but I thought I'd look at pictures of Alpinas instead.

 

[donkeykong]

So, if I'm honest, I've no intention of entering into sel...

What you're data doesn't indicate is actual cause of death,why can't you grasp that there is no means to diagnose for a Covid related death? Maybe you should look at the median age of those who passed,what comorbidity was present. How many died needlessly by being misdiagnosed,heavily sedated and put on a respirator? How many people died by not being able to receive other treatments for lack of elected procedures? You're incredibly myopic and woefully misinformed on the matter. If you keep citing drivel,I'm gonna keep taking your ass to task.

but I thought I'd look at pictures of Alpinas instead.

I agree,being a BMW fanboy is much better than spreading misinformation.

 

[donkeykong]

Not only did the CDC admit to combining antibody test with PCR test,leading to hyper inflated statistics none of them which can be trusted, but this is how you keep perpetuating massive fraud. Scaring citizens enough,that they demand their own bondage.

43% of Coronavirus Deaths in the U.S. Are From Nursing Homes & Long-Term Care Centers

Death Rates

While 11% of all coronavirus cases came from nursing homes in America, they have accounted for up to 43% of deaths in the whole country with New Hampshire at an 80% rate. The following states with a 73% to 77% rate of deaths connected to long-term facilities are Minnesota, Rhode Island, and Connecticut.

From March 25 to May 10, Governor Andrew Cuomo issued a directive for more than 4,300 COVID-19-positive senior citizens to be transferred from hospitals to nursing homes in New York. It is suspected that this resulted in more than 5,800 deaths in these facilities. They were moved to free up space in hospitals as New York became the top epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic.

43% of Coronavirus Deaths in the U.S. Are From Nursing Homes & Long-Term Care Centers

All in all,54,000 of the Covid related deaths in the US came from nursing homes.

Looks like a similar scenario played out in the UK. Out of the 43,906 supposed deaths from Covid19. 16k + came from nursing homes!

More than 16,000 people in UK care homes have died from coronavirus

Nearly 90 per cent of COVID-19 patients placed on ventilators in NY's largest health system DIED | Daily Mail Online

I am old enough to remember when Governor Cuomo made a huge debacle about ventilators. Ventilators were all the rage in the early days of Covid19. Funny how you really don't hear bout them anymore, since the ventilator craze,deaths related to Covid 19 have plummeted by 90% since April!

Nearly 90 per cent of COVID-19 patients who were placed on ventilators in New York's largest health system DIED - and almost all of those hospitalized had underlying health conditions

Nearly 90 per cent of COVID-19 patients placed on ventilators in NY's largest health system DIED | Daily Mail Online

The stench of corruption reeks from here to high heaven. Now it's looking like the 2nd lockdown is already upon us here in the US. From mostly young people ,"testing positive" but not requiring hospitalization. At what point do people begin to question that this might not have anything to do with a virus that has a 99.97% chance of survival?


How can I forget about mask,a major topic of discussion here in America. Yesterday our Surgeon General referred to them as "instruments of freedom" lol. I am also old enough to remember when he said this. This tweet aged about as well as a refrigerated banana.

 

[donkeykong]

600 Physicians Say Lockdowns Are A ‘Mass Casualty Incident’

More than 600 of the nation’s physicians sent a letter to President Trump this week calling the coronavirus shutdowns a “mass casualty incident” with “exponentially growing negative health consequences” to millions of non COVID patients.

“The downstream health effects...are being massively under-estimated and under-reported. This is an order of magnitude error," according to the letter initiated by Simone Gold, M.D., an emergency medicine specialist in Los Angeles.


“Suicide hotline phone calls have increased 600%,” the letter said. Other silent casualties: “150,000 Americans per month who would have had new cancer detected through routine screening.”

From missed cancer diagnoses to untreated heart attacks and strokes to increased risks of suicides, “We are alarmed at what appears to be a lack of consideration for the future health of our patients.”

Patients fearful of visiting hospitals and doctors’ offices are dying because COVID-phobia is keeping them from seeking care. One patient died at home of a heart attack rather than go to an emergency room. The number of severe heart attacks being treated in nine U.S hospitals surveyed dropped by nearly 40% since March. Cardiologists are worried “a second wave of deaths” indirectly caused by the virus is likely.


600 Physicians Say Lockdowns Are A ‘Mass Casualty Incident’

I wonder how team lockdown justifies all this?