COVID-19 Coronavirus General Thread

[WBarnes]

Warning of rare nerve syndrome link to Johnson & Johnson vaccine

FDA steps in after one reported death and 100 preliminary reports of GBS

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[klier]

There's no need to turn this into an argument. Surely people have the right to refuse these vaccines without criticism .......don't they?

They have the right to refuse, but I will never stop to criticize them.

You guys sure have a lot of faith in the corporate pharmaceutical giants - but just remember, they have a vested interest in making sure everyone on the planet gets vaccinated - enormous profits are being made from this pandemic ....a few shareholders have even become billionaires because of it. I hate to be cynical but I just don't think things are quite as simple as they seem. We live in the grip of Global corporatism : I would love to know how many big pharma board members are also sitting on the boards of major Media companies. Whether these vaccines are perfectly safe and effective or not, you can't deny we have been fed a steady diet of propaganda over the past 18 months.

Mixing fact with BS. That's THE way to stir nonsense these days. Bravo.

 

[Big Sam]

I haven't read the last twenty pages, but let me guess. The usual suspects, who think they know more than the experts, are posting BS conspiracy theories and questioning the vaccines, and civil liberties, blah, blah...

I had my one and only Janssen vaccine over a month ago, and my wife is getting her second dose this evening. If somebody doesn't want the vaccine, that's up to them, but then they have to suffer restrictions on what they can and can't do.

 

[EnI]

Do you people know that if you want to legally immigrate into USA (to study, to work etc) & get a proper visa, you have to provide a proof for 14 jabs:

• Mumps
• Measles
• Rubella
• Polio
• Tetanus and diphtheria
• Pertussis
• Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib)
• Hepatitis A
• Hepatitis B
• Rotavirus
• Meningococcal disease
• Varicella
• Pneumococcal disease
• Seasonal influenza

New Vaccination Criteria for U.S. Immigration | CDC

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) about the Final Rule posting that revises vaccination criteria for aliens (immigrants, refugees, asylees, and parolees) before admitted into the United States

www.cdc.gov

It's similar in other countries when it comes to legal immigration. So, antivaxxer aliens are not welcome! Don't wan'a a jab? OK, your right ... but then you wont get your visa & you'll be declined to enter the country. Some countries even require some vaccinations before you're able to obtain your tourist / travel visa.

Interestingly such criteria are not required for citizens when it comes to obtaining student status, signing employment contract etc. Why the discrimination? Jabs are mandatory for immigrants but not for the citizens? Weird.

So, don't BS me that vaccines are not mandatory for adults. They are! In many cases when it comes to immigration & travelling (issuing visas). Mandatory COVID jabs for some (eg. healthcare workers etc) won't be something extraordinary. Nor a "violation of individual's human rights". You don't want a jab? OK, but then bear all the legal consequences. It's a choice. And it's all up to you in the end.

 

[advantage20]

Do you people know that if you want to legally immigrate into USA (to study, to work etc) & get a proper visa, you have to provide a proof for 14 jabs:

• Mumps
• Measles
• Rubella
• Polio
• Tetanus and diphtheria
• Pertussis
• Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib)
• Hepatitis A
• Hepatitis B
• Rotavirus
• Meningococcal disease
• Varicella
• Pneumococcal disease
• Seasonal influenza

New Vaccination Criteria for U.S. Immigration | CDC

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) about the Final Rule posting that revises vaccination criteria for aliens (immigrants, refugees, asylees, and parolees) before admitted into the United States

www.cdc.gov

It's similar in other countries when it comes to legal immigration. So, antivaxxer aliens are not welcome! Don't wan'a a jab? OK, your right ... but then you wont get your visa & you'll be declined to enter the country. Some countries even require some vaccinations before you're able to obtain your tourist / travel visa.

Interestingly such criteria are not required for citizens when it comes to obtaining student status, signing employment contract etc. Why the discrimination? Jabs are mandatory for immigrants but not for the citizens? Weird.

So, don't BS me that vaccines are not mandatory for adults. They are! In many cases when it comes to immigration & travelling (issuing visas). Mandatory COVID jabs for some (eg. healthcare workers etc) won't be something extraordinary. Nor a "violation of individual's human rights". You don't want a jab? OK, but then bear all the legal consequences. It's a choice. And it's all up to you in the end.

You are aware that the illnesses you are listing have had vaccines developed, perfected and streamlined for them for years or even decades, have achieved an extremely high rate of effectiveness and an extremely low rate of averse side-effects, let alone death rate, and can therefore be legitimately required as compulsory, right?

There is no possible comparison with a completely new type of medicine that is one year old, hasn't undergone and accumulated nearly the same extent of testing and empirical evidence over time, and is currently resulting in a spike of vaccine-related deaths and overall sudden deaths according to official numbers, including teens and children who would otherwise have had an extremely high chance of beating this virus naturally? Calling a completely new tech a "vaccine" (because that's how it was imagined to work) doesn't magically turn it into the same type of product as the traditional vaccines we've known about for decades, therefore cannot blindly and automatically generate the same legal consequences as the latter, which is why informed consent becomes key (more on this later).

As for the ignoramouses invoking a consensus among "experts", would the inventor of mRNA vaccines himself Dr. Robert Malone, would the former Pfizer vice-president and chief science officer Michal Yeadon, would the Nobel Prize winner virologist Pr. Luc Montagnier (who has had a key role in discovering and studying the HIV), to name just a few, qualify as such?

 

[advantage20]

What's funny indeed is that those who immediately spew out "conspiracy theory" today like a pack of Pavlov's dogs when seeing their beliefs being rationally challenged are the same who were saying "conspiracy theory" 1.5 years ago, even though pretty much everything that was being predicted back then has become true in the meantime and is gradually being accepted as part of normal life.

 

[Big Sam]

You are aware that the illnesses you are listing have had vaccines developed, perfected and streamlined for them for years or even decades, have achieved an extremely high rate of effectiveness and an extremely low rate of averse side-effects, let alone death rate, and can therefore be legitimately required as compulsory, right?

It's a myth that the vaccines haven't had enough testing.

What's funny indeed is that those who immediately spew out "conspiracy theory" today like a pack of Pavlov's dogs when seeing their beliefs being rationally challenged are the same who were saying "conspiracy theory" 1.5 years ago, even though pretty much everything that was being predicted back then has become true in the meantime and is gradually being accepted as part of normal life.

From my observations, the same people who were pushing conspiracy theories about COVID 1.5 years ago, and dismissing it, are the same people pushing conspiracy theories about the vaccines. That's what these people do, constantly push conspiracy theories, because they think "challenging" experts makes them clever, when it doesn't. It just means they're an idiot. Probably have "free thinker" on their social media bios.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Dr. Robert Malone

Michal Yeadon

Pr. Luc Montagnier

What specifically have they said in voicing either their concerns or opposition to COVID vaccines?

 

[advantage20]

What specifically have they said in voicing either their concerns or opposition to COVID vaccines?

Bro I was writing a long response with a few added references, but somehow my draft vanished and there is no way I'm doing it all over -- I'll gladly come back to the topic later or PM you.

 

[Big Sam]

Oh yes, that's another thing these conspiracy theory nutjobs do. Place more importance on the 0.1% of the scientists who dissent (and happen to say what they want to hear), compared with the 99.9% who are in agreement.

Sheer, utter, madness.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Bro I was writing a long response with a few added references, but somehow my draft vanished and there is no way I'm doing it all over -- I'll gladly come back to the topic later or PM you.

I understand. I've had that happened to me before and annoys me to no end when it happens.

A "TL;DR" summary with a few references would suffice. But it's up to you.

 

[Matski]

 

[Sunny]

@Mark, I am curious where you stand on your site being used to spread health misinformation? I know this is a small site and whatever role you play in people dying from the spread of health misinformation is insignificant compared to other larger social platforms, but however small, you still have a role.

US Surgeon General's advisory on Health misinformation -

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

I never argued they don't. But the long-term risk data on these mRNA treatments is yet unknown. I'll be much more confident to receive my vaccination in a year or two. That's just my [perhaps over precautious] feeling on it.

Same boat.

I am not an 'Anti-Vaxer' and should my more elderly parents feel the need to go get vaccinated at the earliest opportunity, I wouldn't say a thing to them. However In a country such as Australia where we are highly insulated from the risk of Covid, I would rather wait. It would be devestating to find that the longer term implications of these vaccines are worse than the virus itself. And we simply do not know what the longer term implications are, particularly if annual vaccinations are required.

I accept that at some stage I will likely have to be vaccinated either for travel, work or otherwise, however until that need arises I would prefer to wait.

I must specifically note, my position may seem ridiculous to many of you, however you should be aware that so far in Australia we are in a pretty unique position in terms of rates of infection and community exposure. The state I live in considers 3 infections and 'outbreak'. So waiting to have the vaccine, in this context, is less 'absurd'.

Finally, I also think there needs to be a far far far more robust investigation in the source of this virus. Should it have been a natural occurrence, we could perhaps then better understand ways of protecting ourselves from future 'pandemics'. Should however it be found that the virus is in fact a result of human experimentation, then so much more needs to be answered.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

The anti vaxxers are starting to stir. Pay no attention to absolute retards in the truest sense of the word. Would be best if they just die off, natural selection and all.

Disregarding the question pro- or anti, this is quite disgusting.

 

[Big Sam]

Disregarding the question pro- or anti, this is quite disgusting.

Oh, really? That's strange, because you "agreed" with this quote Jimmy posted by Salman Rushdie:

"The ability to endure uncomfortable and perhaps unpleasant expressions of opinion is of utmost essence in an open society."

Like all people who bang on about "freedom of speech", they're all for it until it's something they don't agree with.

 

[savage-It]

Oh, are you offended? That's strange, because you mock people who take offence. In fact, you "agreed" with this quote Jimmy posted by Salman Rushdie:

"The ability to endure uncomfortable and perhaps unpleasant expressions of opinion is of utmost essence in an open society."

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Like all people who bang on about "freedom of speech", they're all for it until it's something they don't agree with.

I don't want to enter too much in this discussion but sincerely reading at those words (Would be best if they just die off, natural selection and all) , being myself someone that is not against the vaccine at 100%, but sure not in favour having a genetic disease and so being quite reclutant to get it, well I felt them too extreme and not appropriate.. But I can imagine to belong to a minority here...The problem at least in my Country, is that now there are only black and white opinions and the majority seems as always to be right and very inclined to offend the others (ghettoising them) being them "different" independently by their reasons. This tendency is a real "virus" in my opinion and could create dramatic consequences in the next future.

 

[Big Sam]

I don't want to enter too much in this discussion but sincerely reading at those words (Would be best if they just die off, natural selection and all) , being myself someone that is not against the vaccine at 100%, but sure not in favour having a genetic disease and so being quite reclutant to get it, well I felt them too extreme and not appropriate.. But I can imagine to belong to a minority here...The problem at least in my Country, is that now there are only black and white opinions and the majority seems as always to be right and very inclined to offend the others (ghettoising them) being them "different" independently by their reasons. This tendency is a real "virus" in my opinion and could create dramatic consequences in the next future.

I agree with your right to say those comments are too offensive. The issue I have is that Mick has been outspoken, particularly against me, that offence is too quickly taken at everything, and that people should be able to say what they want...that is until it's something HE finds offence in, apparently.

 

[martinbo]

I've had Covid-19; I don't know which variant as the pathology report didn't specify. It was an unpleasant two weeks and the long-term effects, for me, are most certainly detrimental. For a very close friend, it was way worse, he contracted Covid pneumonia, unable to get hospitalised, ended up getting hooked up to an oxygen machine for a week. He's just 2 months younger than me. For the elderly couple down the road it didn't end so well. Or the mother of one of my daughter's friends.

I got my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine last Thursday. I ended up coughing up blood and puss was excreting from my eyeballs. I was paralysed on one side of my face and I can swear that my knob now bends the other way.

 

[Matski]

I ended up coughing up blood and puss was excreting from my eyeballs. I was paralysed on one side of my face and I can swear that my knob now bends the other way.

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