Vs BMW M5 vs Porsche Panamera GTS

[martinbo]

And there you have it folks:

Scoot is klier se pa.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Scoot is klier se pa.

Sounds very Dutch to me, @martinbo.

 

[klier]

Afrikaans!

Scoot is mijn vader!

@LaArtist, no point in continuing this when no car has been launched. You have had your say, and I have had mine. We will see in about a year.

 

[Rolf]

The Panamera Turbo is the quicker car. But above 60 mph, the M5 is faster.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-bmw-m5-road-test-review

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2012-porsche-panamera-turbo-s-road-test-review

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2010-porsche-panamera-turbo2010-porsche-panamera-turbo-1.pdf

From 60-150mph the M5 needed 14.7s. The Panamera Turbo needed 17.1s and the Turbo S needed 15.5s. Technically the Panameras are ultimately faster since they have no speed governors and can hit 190mph+. But I fully delimited M5 would likely crack 200mph.

Actually looking at all 3 performance tests both Panamera Turbo and Turbo S will be quicker than the M5 up to 100mph (161km/h), the M5 will then start to overtake the much less powerful 500hp Turbo but to overtake the 550hp Turbo S it will need to be going 140 to 145 mph as the M5 is faster than the Turbo S to 150mph (18.3sec compared to 18.8sec).

M5:

Zero to 60 mph: 3.7 sec (4.2sec E60 M5)
Zero to 100 mph: 8.3 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 18.3 sec (20.7sec E60 M5)
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.6 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 1.8 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.4 sec
¼-mile: 12.0 sec @ 122 mph (12.5sec E60 M5)
Top speed (governor limited): 155-190 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 165 ft (158 ft E60 M5)
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: Not shown in test
Curb weight: 4300 lb (4100 lb E60 M5)

Panamera Turbo:

Zero to 60 mph: 3.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 8.2 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 20.4 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.1 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.7 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.0 sec
¼-mile: 11.7 sec @ 119 mph
Top speed: 193 mph (drag ltd, C/D est)
Braking, 70-0 mph: 159 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.92 g
Curb weight: 4409 lb

Panamera Turbo S:

Zero to 60 mph: 3.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 7.7 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 18.8 sec
Zero to 170 mph: 28.2 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 3.9 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: Not shown in test
Top gear, 50-70 mph: Not shown in test
¼-mile: 11.5 sec @ 122 mph
Top speed: 191 mph (drag ltd)
Braking, 70-0 mph: 159 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.97 g
Curb weight: 4448 lb

 

[TMCCL65]

Actually looking at all 3 performance tests both Panamera Turbo and Turbo S will be quicker than the M5 up to 100mph (161km/h), the M5 will then start to overtake the much less powerful 500hp Turbo but to overtake the 550hp Turbo S it will need to be going 140 to 145 mph as the M5 is faster than the Turbo S to 150mph (18.3sec compared to 18.8sec).

M5:

Zero to 60 mph: 3.7 sec (4.2sec E60 M5)
Zero to 100 mph: 8.3 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 18.3 sec (20.7sec E60 M5)
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.6 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 1.8 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.4 sec
¼-mile: 12.0 sec @ 122 mph (12.5sec E60 M5)
Top speed (governor limited): 155-190 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 165 ft (158 ft E60 M5)
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: Not shown in test
Curb weight: 4300 lb (4100 lb E60 M5)

Panamera Turbo:

Zero to 60 mph: 3.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 8.2 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 20.4 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.1 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.7 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.0 sec
¼-mile: 11.7 sec @ 119 mph
Top speed: 193 mph (drag ltd, C/D est)
Braking, 70-0 mph: 159 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.92 g
Curb weight: 4409 lb

Panamera Turbo S:

Zero to 60 mph: 3.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 7.7 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 18.8 sec
Zero to 170 mph: 28.2 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 3.9 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: Not shown in test
Top gear, 50-70 mph: Not shown in test
¼-mile: 11.5 sec @ 122 mph
Top speed: 191 mph (drag ltd)
Braking, 70-0 mph: 159 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.97 g
Curb weight: 4448 lb

I don't think we are saying anything in opposition to each other, except it takes the regular Panamera Turbo longer to go from 60-100mph (4.9s) than the M5 (4.6s). This other test also shows the M5's power in the mid range speeds (4.4s from 60-100mph which is equal to the Turbo S):

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2013-audi-s6-vs-2013-bmw-m5-2012-mercedes-benz-e63-amg-1.pdf

I wish Car and Driver tested the E63 S sedan to compare to the others. They only put the Wagon and CLS63 S through their acceleration tests:

2014 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG S-Model 4MATIC Wagon Test – Review – Car and Driver

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2014-mercedes-benz-cls63-amg-s-model2014-mercedes-benz-cls63-amg-s-model-4matic.pdf

 

[LaArtist]

Afrikaans!

Scoot is mijn vader!

@LaArtist, no point in continuing this when no car has been launched. You have had your say, and I have had mine. We will see in about a year.

Well that i know, ile wait a year. But in this thread we are talking about the old cars.
As you claim that there is nothing with 4 doors that smokes a M5.
Or actually you claim that nothing under a 918 Spyder smokes the M5.. ( insert scornful laughter)

 

[Rolf]

Same with me wish they had tested the E63 S sedan it would have made very interesting reading and comparing! Thanks @TMCCL65 for the links for the other tests for the Mercedes models.

 

[TMCCL65]

Same with me wish they had tested the E63 S sedan it would have made very interesting reading and comparing! Thanks @TMCCL65 for the links for the other tests for the Mercedes models.

Not sure if you saw this Road & Track test:

 

[SKY]

Yeah, I remember the FL E63 gave the M5 a hard time in some test drives. Is this correct @TMCCL65 ? I ask you since you seem to be the wikipedia of test drives LOL.

 

[Rolf]

There have been a number of tests where the FL E63 S has given the M5 a beating. Autocar, Motor Trend, Autozeitung are a few that I can remember.

 

[TMCCL65]

There have been a number of tests where the FL E63 S has given the M5 a beating. Autocar, Motor Trend, Autozeitung are a few that I can remember.

I don't know if "a beating" is a wholly appropriate way to describe the E63 S's wins given how closely matched these cars are. They each have their finer points and strong suits. I am just glad we have so many great choices to match our own preferences. Competition improves the breed!

 

[Rolf]

I honestly love both M5 and E63 S and to choose between them will be a very difficult one as both look great, have fantastic sounding engines and huge power and performance plus superb luxury and spacious interiors. They are close to been supercar slayers!

 

[Rolf]

@klier buddy this is what the next M5 has to aim for and beat!

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[Thiago]

I can not like the Panamera's design. Perhaps the new generation ...