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2012 BMW M3 vs. 2012 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG - Comparison Test - Car and Driver

Still have a soft spot for BMW. Taking off 4 points for design. Really?

 

[Zafiro]

2012 BMW M3 vs. 2012 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG - Comparison Test - Car and Driver

Still have a soft spot for BMW. Taking off 4 points for design. Really?

Then pretty much every carmagazine have weak spot for M3 since M3 win 9 out of 10 times. C&D can no longer be accused of having a weak spot for BMW. I think that is clear after those links I posted earlier.

 

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Then pretty much every carmagazine have weak spot for M3 since M3 win 9 out of 10 times. C&D can no longer be accused of having a weak spot for BMW. I think that is clear after those links I posted earlier.

Every magazine has a soft spot for the M3? O Please that has to be one of the stupidest things I've heard. C&D Ride BMW all day long and I proved that in my 1 link. Now, if say, EVO who has already done a test and has already said the M3 is a tad bit better, Yeah, I'll agree with that. C&D? No. They'll do anything for the Roundel to be on top. I'm waiting for one of my other favorite publications, InsideLine to post reviews of the M5 vs the E63 and C63 vs M3 as well.

Anyone know if the M5 is going to be getting LED headlights? Weird that it didn't come with them. I'm thinking the M6 will have it as an option?

 

[Zafiro]

Every magazine has a soft spot for the M3? O Please that has to be one of the stupidest things I've heard. C&D Ride BMW all day long and I proved that in my 1 link. Now, if say, EVO who has already done a test and has already said the M3 is a tad bit better, Yeah, I'll agree with that. C&D? No. They'll do anything for the Roundel to be on top. I'm waiting for one of my other favorite publications, InsideLine to post reviews of the M5 vs the E63 and C63 vs M3 as well.

Anyone know if the M5 is going to be getting LED headlights? Weird that it didn't come with them. I'm thinking the M6 will have it as an option?

Audi is C&D new pet, thats is pretty clear now. Both 5er and 7er are loosing the tests in C&D, even 335i lost to Audi S4. My previous statement remain the same, M3 win most of those comparisons, no matter carmagazine.

They probably wait for the facelift, same goes for 7-series. Next up to get those headlights is FL X6.

 

[Deckhook]

No more. Audi keeps beating BMW over and over again.

On some of those comparisons you could see why the vote might go against BMW, in the case of the A8 and new A6 these are two of the best cars in their class, as for the others???

 

[Zafiro]

On some of those comparisons you could see why the vote might go against BMW, in the case of the A8 and new A6 these are two of the best cars in their class, as for the others???

Im not intrested why one car win and one car loose. I just want to show that BMW are not winning every comparison by C&D that some people say.

 

[Guibo]

On some of those comparisons you could see why the vote might go against BMW, in the case of the A8 and new A6 these are two of the best cars in their class, as for the others???

So what you're saying is that when the BMW is not the best in class, C&D does not pick it as the winner. That makes sense.
However, it goes beyond just "best in class" to C&D saying that, in many cases, the BMW is the "worst in class" of those cars being tested. In the case of the 5er, it didn't just come second to the A8; it came third (dead least) behind even the Infiniti. Same for the A8 (7er 3rd and dead last behind Jaguar). This goes some way in refuting the claim that C&D are biased toward BMW, doesn't it? Because if C&D award top marks for those they have a soft spot for, the BMWs should win in all cases regardless of the merits of competing cars.
Rather than the claim that BMW are paying C&D, it's probably the other way around. I recall a short piece they did where they said more C&D editors buy BMWs (specifically, the 3er) than any other marque.

 

[Deckhook]

I can't speaker for why they placed the BMWs the way they did I was only commenting on why I think they might have placed both the A6 and A8 first.

 

[Guibo]

I can't speaker for why they placed the BMWs the way they did I was only commenting on why I think they might have placed both the A6 and A8 first.

I think you can speak for the reasons why they placed the BMWs that way, especially after you read the articles in question. The glaringly obvious answer is that they don't have a bias toward BMW, and that they will place other cars over BMW (including Infinitis and Jaguars), if they merit those positions.

 

[Merc1]

Correct!



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[Deckhook]

I think you can speak for the reasons why they placed the BMWs that way, especially after you read the articles in question. The glaringly obvious answer is that they don't have a bias toward BMW, and that they will place other cars over BMW (including Infinitis and Jaguars), if they merit those positions.

I only commented on those two tests because I remembered reading them, the others I didn't have time so that's I why I said 'I can't speak for why they placed BMW the way they did'.

But if you have read them and say they had valid reasons then that's good enough for me.

 

[Sunny]

Why is the concept magazines are probably biased to the character/behavior of the car and not the brand so difficult to grasp? BMW used to make cars that fit that character so they used to win a lot of these comparisons. They don't do that as much any more, so they started loosing. The cars they make that still do - like the M3 - continue to keep winning. When others make cars that fit that mold, they win too - like B7 RS4, E63. Now, you can not agree with the criteria the magazine uses, in which you should ignore it, instead of coming up with baseless "bias" charges. I am not saying bias does not exist, it most probably does, but I doubt it is blind bias, but probably based on previous experiences.

 

[Merc1]

Correct again.


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[Betty Swollocks]

Thanks! Great video. There's not much that would get me as excited as being handed the keys to an M5 and being told to drive it from Spain to the UK. I'd pay to do it even.

But, the statement at the end is one I personally think is very pertinent. You could have a 520d and a 1M for the same price. I've been a one car owner for ten years, but now I have three, I strongly believe the way forward, assuming costs are the same, is to have a car for a specific job rather than ONE car to be 'jack of all trades, but master of none'.

 

[martinbo]

^ I agree entirely. But such an approach can only be applied to a very small percentage of the worlds car-buying population. One needs significant wherewithal to be able to do such a thing.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

One needs significant wherewithal to be able to do such a thing.

But it was assuming costs were the same.

 

[martinbo]

I have a family too... So I have two cars each in their own garage. Now I want a third car - I have to buy a bigger house with three garages. Then it's the additional costs of licensing, tax, insurance, maintenance etc - that's the part of wherewithal I'm referring to.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I have a family too... So I have two cars each in their own garage. Now I want a third car - I have to buy a bigger house with three garages. Then it's the additional costs of licensing, tax, insurance, maintenance etc - that's the part of wherewithal I'm referring to.

I understand what your point is completely........................but that's what I'm saying. Your costs are not the same.