Vs BMW M3 vs. Audi RS5: Who’s the Boss?

[PanterroR]

Guys, sorry for using our language...

You shouldn't feel sorry for people who are able to pay 100k+ for a car. However, you should feel jealous

Jel' ti mene zajebavaš ili šta?

Ne znamo se dugo, a da je tako, znao bi da se apsolutno ne slažem sa ljude kojima je dizajn/izgled osnovna ili presudna stvar kod kupovine automobila... Ljubomoran? Jebeš mi sve... Ja osobno automobil ne kupujem zbog izgleda, nego onog što pruža i za tvoju informaciju, od svoje 18. godine vozim automobile koji su jako skupi, no ovo nije dick measuring contest nego rasprava i ljubomoran sam samo na onog tko vozi Pagani Zondu Cinque ako te baš zanima...

Sorry again, fellas, had to say this to my friend neighbor in our language, nothing you already didn't know anyway...

 

[Tumbo]

God that RS5 is beautiful.... God og god... Sex on wheels. I would actually have mine in that colour

 

[Nenadm87]

Guys, sorry for using our language...



Jel' ti mene zajebavaš ili šta?

Ne znamo se dugo, a da je tako, znao bi da se apsolutno ne slažem sa ljude kojima je dizajn/izgled osnovna ili presudna stvar kod kupovine automobila... Ljubomoran? Jebeš mi sve... Ja osobno automobil ne kupujem zbog izgleda, nego onog što pruža i za tvoju informaciju, od svoje 18. godine vozim automobile koji su jako skupi, no ovo nije dick measuring contest nego rasprava i ljubomoran sam samo na onog tko vozi Pagani Zondu Cinque ako te baš zanima...

Sorry again, fellas, had to say this to my friend neighbor in our language, nothing you already didn't know anyway...

Naravno da te zajebavam. Haha, prijatelju moj, pa stvarno nije bilo potrebe za ovakvim odgovorom, nemoj me terati da se osecam lose zato sto sam te uvredio ili nesto slicno Bila je to duhovita (dakle, ne ozbiljna) opaska, ali, nazalost, shvatio si sve pogresno Ziv ti meni bio, pa se, dabogda, kroz par godina svadjamo ciji Pagani ima lepsu boju

Sorry guys, hope you'll forgive us

 

[Guibo]

M3 or RS5: Who's the boss? Hmmm... the only answer I can think of it is: "Depends of the weather condition".

M3 when it's sunny, RS5 when it's raining.

Not so sure about that. In the Car's group test, they noted that while the RS5 has more traction in the wet, the M3 was the better car to drive, sayings its performance is more accessible. RS5 was pretty much trashed in that article, for those who haven't seen it. Dead last even behind the IS-F. (Saw this mag along with Evo and TopGear in Target of all places!)
We've seen in Autocar's E46 M3 vs RS4 comparo that AWD isn't always faster in inclement weather. If the AWD car understeers more, it's not as adjustable as the RWD car which can tighten its line on corner exit, thus getting on the gas earlier. For sure in the snow on equal tires, the RS5 must be better.

 

[martinbo]

EVO 151; RS5 vs M3 CP vs C63 vs IS-F - On-road review.

M3 CP - 5 stars
C63 - 5 stars
IS-F - 4.5 stars
RS5 - [gets panned by the team] - 3 stars!!!

Choice quotes from the mag in my hands:

'The RS5's ride never feels settled, which is a disappointment because the damping of the RS4 was its outstanding feature'

'The Merc's appeal is enhanced by steering that has a clarity and directness unmatched here'

'Catchpole has just returned from a blat in the M3. "It's easy to forget how good it is isn't it?" You sort of take it for granted when you're pottering around at everyday speeds, not really venturing above 5000 rpm, but that engine is a stunning piece of engineering'

'What these rear-drivers throw into acute relief is the RS5's quality of steering, or lack of it. It never feels right, in rate, response or weight. Exiting corners, it occasionally tugs likes it's a torque-steering front driver (...) never settled, never in rhythm with the road.'

'When it's time to debate the finishing order we find that, unusually, there is absolute concensus. In last place is the RS5.'

Meaden: 'Its chassis marks a return to the bad old days of fast Audis: too hard with zero steering feel. Dynamically it's as though they've forgotten they ever made the RS4 and R8. Big shame.'

[Of the C63]: "Brilliant at mooching and extremely capable and engaging right up to and over the limit," says Meaden. "Not as sharply focused as the M3, but this arguably makes it the warmer and more rewarding car in all but the most extreme driving. Love it!"

'The M3 won't be denied, though. It doesn't offer the instant gratification of the C63 or the IS-F but it will saunter comfortably and work it hard it reveals an unmatched depth of quality and ability. Meaden: "I drove this car after I'd driven the others and it really does feel a league above them for pure sporting driving. Firmer, sharper and more direct, it feels like a sports car that's had practicality thrust upon it rather than the other way round. It's the genuine item." '

But THEN...
EVO 151 - TRACK BATTLE: RS5 vs M3 vs IS-F vs C63

Bedford laptimes:
RS5: 1.26.9 (peak 106.8 mph)
M3: 1.27.0 (peak 107.2 mph)
IS-F: 1.28.1 (peak 106.4 mph)
C63: 1.28.8 (peak 109.1 mph)

[Previous time for non CP E92 M3: 1.25.9 ]
[Previous time for E90 M3 Saloon: 1.26.2 ]
^Go manuals! ^

'Traces show the cars are well-matched for large parts of the lap, but closer observation reveals some critical differences. The RS5 is notably slower in the tighter turns like Hangar Hairpin and Club Chicane but, conversely, substantially quicker through the faster corners at O'Rouge and Tower.'

'You can nail the Audi's throttle harder and earlier from the apex than in any of the other cars here'

'But that only tells part of the story; the RS5 still doesn't allow the sort of throttle adjustability that you can enjoy in the rear-drivers, and at the hairpins it records the lowest maximum speeds of all, struggling to turn the heavy and over-burdened nose into the apex.

'The BMW's achilles heel, as ever, is the brakes, a trait exaggerated here by this being our heavily used long-termer. They begin to fade on the first flying lap, and perhaps because of this I make a small mistake through Palmer Curves, asking too much of the rear tyres too early, and have to back off a little when I should be hard on it. Unfortunately there's no time to stop and cool them and try again, but even so the M3 ends up only a tenth behind the RS5 on 1.27.0. We'll re-run the laps as we can get the car fettled, but there's no doubt that a fresh example would be fastest of the group. What's more, it was unquestionably the most exploitable and fulfilling from the driving seat. Subjectively, the M3 Competition wins both tests.' Roger Green

Sorry folks, I don't have a scanner at home. Hopefully DeDe can get his hands on some scans.

 

[Guibo]

Almost the same assessment as Car Magazine (no lap times though).
Thanks for typing that all in, martinbo.

 

[martinbo]

^ You're welcome, Guibo. Now, let's see if DeDe can get us those scans?

Please DeDe?