Videos BMW M2 vs. Ford Focus RS

[Betty Swollocks]

As I was saying in the E vs Superb thread, a BMW will always be several steps above a Ford. This applies to other brands. No matter how good the M6 drives, if I have the money, give me the Ferrari F12 instead, please.

The M6 is not even remotely in the same league as an F12, so not sure what point you're making. Sure, the E and Superb are quite far apart in terms of materials, image etc. But it's possible to compare them, at least to see how close the Superb can get in terms of desirability/price to the E-Class, even if it doesn't actually get there. That is not the same with the M6 and F12, however.

 

[klier]

The M6 is not even remotely in the same league as an F12, so not sure what point you're making. Sure, the E and Superb are quite far apart in terms of materials, image etc. But it's possible to compare them, at least to see how close the Superb can get in terms of desirability/price to the E-Class, even if it doesn't actually get there. That is not the same with the M6 and F12, however.

Not in the same league price wise and performance wise, but for the rest the M6 and F12 are fairly similar actually. They're both sport coupes, with both having RWD and the engine up front. The F12 is like a dream version of a BMW, and the only Ferrari with a pretty similar layout.

And saying how a Superb and E class are close in desirability is just silly. They're as far apart from each other as an M6 is from an F12. They're only close in price. And by close in price I mean a base, standard E class with tiny engine and no options. A decently specced E will quickly grow twice as expensive as a Superb, and a high end E class is 3 times as expensive at the very least.

 

[martinbo]

Impossibly subjective debate obfuscated by degrees of comparison starts...

...here.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

They're both sport coupes, with both having RWD and the engine up front.

There are many, many cars with an engine up front and RWD. What does that prove? The Lamborghini Aventador is a more valid comparison than the M6, and that's mid-engined with 4WD!!

Amazing how you completely change your tune to suit. I can recall many times you saying XYZ car doesn't compare with ABC car due to some minor difference. I certainly recall you arguing that the number of seats a car has renders a comparison invalid, and there the Ferrari has two seats compared to the M6 with four.

And saying how a Superb and E class are close in desirability is just silly.

Where did I say that? I suggest you read properly.

They're as far apart from each other as an M6 is from an F12.

Not in a million years.


Klier flow chart:

If it makes the BMW look good? = Comparison valid.

If it makes the BMW good bad? = Comparison invalid.

 

[klier]

Yeah, sure Betty, sure. Plot lost.

Funny how something as subjective as this has to be right or wrong again. Betty thinks it's wrong, so it must be wrong. Haha.

 

[SKY]

Not in the same league price wise and performance wise, but for the rest the M6 and F12 are fairly similar actually. They're both sport coupes, with both having RWD and the engine up front. The F12 is like a dream version of a BMW, and the only Ferrari with a pretty similar layout.

And saying how a Superb and E class are close in desirability is just silly. They're as far apart from each other as an M6 is from an F12. They're only close in price. And by close in price I mean a base, standard E class with tiny engine and no options. A decently specced E will quickly grow twice as expensive as a Superb, and a high end E class is 3 times as expensive at the very least.

This was more or less my point, thanks.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Funny how something as subjective as this has to be right or wrong again.

And yet you're massively vocal about what does and doesn't compete with another car. Constantly, "this is a stupid test", "nobody compares these cars" etc...

Lest we forget the classic "Audi S8 is NOT a rival of the BMW M760Li".

And saying how a Superb and E class are close in desirability is just silly. They're as far apart from each other as an M6 is from an F12.

Not in the same league price wise and performance wise, but for the rest the M6 and F12 are fairly similar actually.

You MASSIVELY contradict yourself constantly. So, the M6 and F12 are "fairly similar" you say? Yet the Skoda and E-Class are "as far apart as the M6 from an F12"?

How many times have you argued that an Audi S3 isn't a valid competitor with an M135i xDrive because the BMW has a 6-cylinder engine and the Audi has a 4-cylinder, despite the fact that in EVERY other area they're comparable, and yet the M6 is different in MANY areas with an F12, yet they're "fairly similar"?

 

[klier]

And yet you're massively vocal about what does and doesn't compete with another car. Constantly, "this is a stupid test", "nobody compares these cars" etc...

Exactly. My opinion. I don't need you to argue that, just post your own opinion and be done with it.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Exactly. My opinion. I don't need you to argue that, just post your own opinion and be done with it.

My opinion is based on sound reasoning (with examples) and doesn't change depending on whatever makes the BMW look good, or whoever I'm trying to provoke at that particular moment of the day.

 

[klier]

My opinion is based on sound reasoning (with examples) and doesn't change depending on whatever makes the BMW look good, or whoever I'm trying to provoke at that particular moment of the day.

Plot lost, just like I said.

Funny how it has to end with me favoring BMW. If that's what you want to hear, so be it. Like I care about your pathetic, sad, negative and narrow minded thoughts.

This was more or less my point, thanks.

I know

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Plot lost, just like I said.

Funny how it has to end with me favoring BMW. If that's what you want to hear, so be it. Like I care about your pathetic, sad, narrow minded thoughts.

You don't have a response because what I have said is the truth. You forget I have a photographic memory and you forget what you post from one minute to the next. The problem is that you're inconsistent from one day to the next. So a Focus RS doesn't compare with an M2 because "the Focus is a Ford and not premium", yet the other way round an M6 is "quite similar" to an F12 because they both have the engine in the front and RWD, ignoring the fact that one is super-exotic, NA V12 Ferrari, and the other one, well, isn't. The M6 is the Ford and the Ferrari is the M2 in this case. But because it makes the M6 look good to lump it in with the Ferrari then you change your opinion to suit.

 

[Zafiro]

Next battle!

 

[klier]

If you could argue your case then I might be less inclined to get into these debates.

Well I tried to, but you aren't listening. I am not at all trying to uplift an M6 to F12 levels, just saying they're comparable even though an F12 is much more expensive, exclusive and fast. And if you are happy to compare a Skoda to a Benz, this should float your boat just as much.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Well I tried to, but you aren't listening. I am not at all trying to uplift an M6 to F12 levels, just saying they're comparable even though an F12 is much more expensive, exclusive and fast. And if you are happy to compare a Skoda to a Benz, this should float your boat just as much.

So why is an M6 and F12 comparable even though one is much more "expensive, exclusive and fast", and yet a Skoda and E-Class are not comparable? Your reasoning behind why the E-Class isn't comparable with a Skoda is BECAUSE it's more expensive and exclusive. That issue doesn't seem to bother you when it comes to the M6 and F12.

 

[klier]

So why is an M6 and F12 comparable

Because the technical mumbo jumbo is pretty similar, while the Skoda simply is a spacious FWD rental compared to a RWD E class limousine..That's pretty much how I see it. Disagree all you want.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Next battle!

*Klier waits to read the verdict before deciding whether.....

a) It's a stupid comparison because the M2 loses and the Focus isn't premium.

b) It's a stupid comparison because the M2 loses and the RS 3 and Focus are 4WD.

c) It's a good comparison because the M2 wins and these cars are "DEFINITELY" rivals.

 

[martinbo]

Like I care about your pathetic, sad, negative and narrow minded thoughts.

Hey man - what's up? That's pretty off sides. Betty's only giving you some robust debate and whilst I'm acutely aware of you two's "history" it still doesn't justify a personal jibe.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Because the technical mumbo jumbo is pretty similar, while the Skoda simply is a spacious FWD rental compared to a RWD E class limousine..That's pretty much how I see it. Disagree all you want.

The point is, I'm not saying you're wrong if you want to lump the M6 in with the F12 as being "pretty similar". That's your view. It's when you don't apply the same principles to other comparisons because it suits you. So an M135i xDrive doesn't compare with an S3 simply because it has two more cylinders, or an S8 doesn't compare with an M760Li "because VAG isn't premium". It's the INCONSISTENCY.

Hey man - what's up? That's pretty off sides. Betty's only giving you some robust debate and whilst I'm acutely aware of you two's "history" it still doesn't justify a personal jibe.

Thanks Martin. I agree, this is just "robust debate", and actually good natured from my side despite Klier's personal stuff. No offence taken @klier

 

[klier]

*Klier waits to read the verdict before deciding whether.....

Wrong. Klier doesn't even read the review and already has his opinion ready*
If that's what you want to hear, I'll spell it out so we can be done with it.

*ready to be twisted to suit his own agenda

 

[Rolf]

How about talking about the cars M2 and RS instead of debating over what comparison is valid or not? Its turning totally off topic and nasty personal insulting.