M3/M4 BMW F80 M3 First Drives Anticipation Thread

[Betty Swollocks]

Nowhere did i talk about it being a better m3. Nowhere did i said that m3 has to be easier to live with.

That's exactly what you said. Maybe English isn't your mother tongue but I interpreted your post below.....

This generation is probably going to be best m3 to have/live with.

.....to mean the new M3 is going to be the best to have AND to live with.

The "live with" part I agree with completely, something which I have already pointed out to you.

So, you are saying that all those M3 owners bought it and they had zero interest in how it is to own it, and now, since high revvin NA engine is gone, they will all migrate to 335d's and m135i's since they have goond enough performance and driving dynamics, plus alot cheaper?

No I'm not saying that at all. Why do you take it to the nth degree?

This M3 will probably be the biggest selling M3 yet. Does that necessarily mean it's the "best" M3 yet? Of course it doesn't.

 

[Deckhook]

I've yet to read any of the latest magazines but I see they are all filled with the M3, surely someone has actually driven the car?

 

[DblPen]

That's exactly what you said. Maybe English isn't your mother tongue but I interpreted your post below.....



.....to mean the new M3 is going to be the best to have AND to live with.

The "live with" part I agree with completely, something which I have already pointed out to you.





No I'm not saying that at all. Why do you take it to the nth degree?

This M3 will probably be the biggest selling M3 yet. Does that necessarily mean it's the "best" M3 yet? Of course it doesn't.

Well, i think to most people (esp m3 buyers) that will make it the best m3, since there is more to a m3 than just an engine. And in turn, as you say it will make it best selling m3 yet, dont you agree?
But i think this argument is about what makes best m3 for you and i was talking what makes best m3 for most people that buys them, so its not going to be a very productive discussion.

 

[martinbo]

I have changed the title of the thread so as not to be party pooper by deleting it. We will close this one down when the first real reviews come to light.

 

[Mr Robert]

Well, but thats very subjective, as your only interest in m3 was V8 engine. Other people might appreciate low end torque more when driving everyday and still have ability to enjoy great chassis.

Well, I'd say anyone who bought an M3 and could not use it for everyday driving either

1. wanted a diesel, or
2. was desperate for an estate

other than that, the M3 has always been an everyday hero.

 

[DblPen]

Well, I'd say anyone who bought an M3 and could not use it for everyday driving either

1. wanted a diesel, or
2. was desperate for an estate

other than that, the M3 has always been an everyday hero.

i didnt say that anyone couldnt use it everyday

 

[Sunny]

The switch to turbos has nothing to do with low end torque or daily usability. They are just byproducts of the shift. The main motivation is the coming emission and fuel consumption standards. Every one will have to switch to turbos or hybrids to meet these standards or end up paying fines. Porsche is switching, Ferrari is switching. BMW switched, Mercedes switched.

Interesting aside, the latest GT3 engine is not EU6 compliant which goes into effect in Sept of 2014, which probably means Porsche will start having to pay a fine for every car they sell after that date.

 

[Mr Robert]

i didnt say that anyone couldnt use it everyday

No, but if an M3 doesn't work out as a daily driver, the user sure has some rather specific demands; the M3 does what the 320i does, that is given, it only does so much more, if asked. You go ahead BMW, you can use that in your marketing.

Interesting aside, the latest GT3 engine is not EU6 compliant which goes into effect in Sept of 2014, which probably means Porsche will start having to pay a fine for every car they sell after that date.

No problem, that engine will not be produced by September.

 

[Sayyaaf]

No one has driven the M3, until Chris release his review. To me at least.

 

[Beemer B773ER]

Every one will have to switch to turbos or hybrids to meet these standards or end up paying fines.

I wonder if in the future we will see BMW return to naturally aspirated high-revving engines, but mated to an electric power source (whether that be batteries, flywheel or supercapacitor)? ... similar to Toyota's Le Mans LMP1 race car.

Just a thought.

 

[klier]

Similar to the high revving 918 Spyder ^^
Doesn't it have a 9k redline?
That's exactly what Sunny said

That's the route to follow imo, for sportscars.

 

[Sunny]

I wonder if in the future we will see BMW return to naturally aspirated high-revving engines, but mated to an electric power source (whether that be batteries, flywheel or supercapacitor)? ... similar to Toyota's Le Mans LMP1 race car.

Just a thought.

Which is what Porsche 918 and is doing and to good effect too. And LaFerrari too, though the electrical part of the power unit is weaker in the Ferrari.

 

[klier]

Best of both worlds. It would be a perfect way to set cars like BMWs and Porsches apart from your average hybrid/ev

Porsche has already realised that, BMW not quite yet with a 6800 rpm 1.5 3 cylinder.

 

[Sunny]

Best of both worlds. It would be a perfect way to set cars like BMWs and Porsches apart from your average hybrid/ev

Porsche has already realised that, BMW not quite yet with a 6800 rpm 1.5 3 cylinder.

Yes, kind of ironical, that electrical power might give NA engines a second chance. But if you come to think of it, I am not so sure it will, at least in the case of more mainstream cars.

As long as there is a strong emphasis on efficiency, ICEs will gravitate towards turbos. They are inherently more efficient than NA engines cause:
a. they recuperate some of the energy that is otherwise wasted as heat.
b. they effectively act like engines with variable displacement based on the engine load. Bigger when it needs to, smaller at other times.

For the keen driver, there is more promise in hoping the turbo engine technology develops enough to deliver a NA engine like power delivery characteristics than NA engines actually making a big come back.

All IM Half Assed O of course.

 

[klier]

No, but an M3 is hardly mainstream when you pump out close to two million cars a year.
For mainstream cars it will not work, agreed. But I'd love to see it on the M3 and GT3 one day.