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[Matski]

I thought everyone knew this??

Possibly, others may prefer terms that respect cardinal directions.

 

[martinbo]

The lower 48 is all us states excluding Alaska and Hawaii. I thought everyone knew this??

I didn't know this was a normalised term. Learn something new everyday - thanks!

 

[klier]

I didn't know this was a normalised term. Learn something new everyday - thanks!

The EU is twice as small as the US, so I don't know what he is talking about. Taking off Alaska doesn't change that all that much obviously (though it's big alright).

10 million sqaure km vs 4 million square km

And no people don't travel to eastern Europe or Ukraine @KiwiRob, even without war.

 

[KiwiRob]

The EU is twice as small as the US, so I don't know what he is talking about. Taking off Alaska doesn't change that all that much obviously (though it's big alright).

10 million sqaure km vs 4 million square km

And no people don't travel to eastern Europe or Ukraine @KiwiRob, even without war.

This is Europe. You're confusing Europe and the EU, the two are not the same.

I've driven in Eastern Europe and Russia. Before the war you'd see plenty of European cars in Russia and Ukraine, mostly from Finland, Poland, Romania and the Baltics.

Europe is 10,19m km2, the lower 48 is 8,08m square km, if you include Alaska and Hawaii its 9,8m square km.

 

[klier]

This is Europe. You're confusing Europe and the EU, the two are not the same.

I've driven in Eastern Europe and Russia. Before the war you'd see plenty of European cars in Russia and Ukraine, mostly from Finland, Poland, Romania and the Baltics.

Europe is 10,19m km2, the lower 48 is 8,08m square km, if you include Alaska and Hawaii its 9,8m square km.

No I am not confusing anything. Just making a remark on your utterly pointless comparison. You might as well add Asia then, it's stuck to Europe.

 

[KiwiRob]

No I am not confusing anything. Just making a remark on your utterly pointless comparison. You might as well add Asia then, it's stuck to Europe.

Just because you don't drive anywhere doesn't mean others don't. My neighbour drives to Spit every summer from the middle of Norway, its 5600km return trip.

 

[klier]

Just because you don't drive anywhere doesn't mean others don't. My neighbour drives to Spit every summer from the middle of Norway, its 5600km return trip.

Eastern Europe is no part of any union with the EU, is dangerous and requires passports everywhere. Acting as if it's the same as driving through US states is nonsensical.

 

[Matski]

nonsensical.

I think this whole debate has reached that point hasn't it?

 

[AndreB]

Under the condition of an extensive "super fast charging" technological/infrastructural environment, I'd tend to agree that REEVs would become rather superfluous. In the EU, UK and North America certainly.

So why not building extensive fast charging networks instead of investing more billions on hybrids. If Brussels want more EV's on the streets better make mandatory laws for state governments not for car companies.

 

[Design FIRST]

So why not building extensive fast charging networks instead of investing more billions on hybrids. If Brussels want more EV's on the streets better make mandatory laws for state governments not for car companies.

I absolutely agree.

Brussel Eurocrats pushing their "Green Deal Agenda" such be in absolutely sync with pushing and implementing infrastructural reform that would make EVs genuinely attractive to an immensely larger number of motorists (meaning an overwhelming majority). But as things currently stand, far too many promises broken, far too much lipservicing amounting to nothing, far too much myopic greed, dilettantism, a far too widespread high degree of mistrust and apprehension between Brussels, EU member state legislatures and the boards of directors of large automotive manufacturers. This leaves all involved, including motorists, insecure.

 

[klier]

I think this whole debate has reached that point hasn't it?

Not if you think it's normal to casually drive into Russia.......

"bUt taht is part of Uurop too"

 

[Matski]

So why not building extensive fast charging networks instead of investing more billions on hybrids. If Brussels want more EV's on the streets better make mandatory laws for state governments not for car companies.

If you're going down that route, the energy companies are the ones that profit from the sale of energy, they should probably be the ones being mandated to build out the infrastructure.

 

[Big Sam]

I didn't know this was a normalised term. Learn something new everyday - thanks!

And I've learned something new...that you, a highly intelligent and educated person, wasn't aware of what I also consider a common term. It's a reflection of how people in distant parts of the world use different terms of which other parts are completely unaware. This I find fascinating.

"Lower 48" and "contiguous United States" are commonly used for as long as I can remember.

 

[Swissbob]

And I've learned something new...that you, a highly intelligent and educated person, wasn't aware of what I also consider a common term. It's a reflection of how people in distant parts of the world use different terms of which other parts are completely unaware. This I find fascinating.

"Lower 48" and "contiguous United States" are commonly used for as long as I can remember.

I didn’t know it either TBH.

 

[Swissbob]

Just because you don't drive anywhere doesn't mean others don't. My neighbour drives to Spit every summer from the middle of Norway, its 5600km return trip.

We have a lot of Turks in Switzerland, in the summer holidays they drive home with their cars because the baggage is to expensive on the low cost carriers. 2600km one way.
The Serbs and Albans drive between 1400km and 2000km in one way.

Almost all of them drive Diesel ( preferably BMW or Mercedes Benz) or powerful V8 to show off at home.

Charging for 30min almost all 300km is not feasible. It takes way to much time.

 

[KiwiRob]

Seams to work ok for trucks

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[Big Sam]

Charging for 30min almost all 300km is not feasible. It takes way to much time.

We're covering old ground, whereby you state long distance driving in an EV is "not feasible", yet I demonstrate over and over again that it is.

Often I get told "ah, you're in a Porsche that can recharge quickly at 270 kW, most EV drivers can't charge that quickly", yet two weeks ago I drove 1,600km in my new Renault 5 E-Tech which has a charging peak of 100 kW, and it was no issue whatsoever.

I genuinely don't understand what the issue is. It's almost as if some people don't want EVs to work.

 

[Swissbob]

If you’re patient it’s not a problem of course, but my friends from the Balkan or Bosporus aren’t.

That’s probably the problem.

For them, a EV is therefore a step backwards, they absolutely don’t care about the environment/climate whatsoever. They also drive way faster than allowed If there are no speed cameras.

 

[Design FIRST]

It's almost as if some people don't want EVs to work.

Accurate statement IMHO.

 

[Big Sam]

If you’re patient it’s not a problem of course, but my friends from the Balkan or Bosporus aren’t.

For the average person, and I consider myself that, there is no measurable difference in my journey times over the last three years between ICE and BEV. When I get time I will post the data, as I record every long distance journey I do, with dates, car driven, consumption, etc.