Best High performance brand within a brand???


Which Uber brand within a brand takes the cake???

  • S/RS

    Votes: 12 13.8%
  • /////AMG

    Votes: 29 33.3%
  • ///M

    Votes: 46 52.9%

  • Total voters
    87
Luwalira said:
Sportauto lap time:

Porsche 911 GT2 (462hp) ------------------------------ 7.46 min

Mercedes SLR ------------------------------------------- 7.52 min


The 997TT will pack 480-500hp and be will without a doubt be a better car than the 996GT2, which is quicker around the track than the SLR. Therefor I have no doubts that my signature will become a reality :D.

Excellent find Luwar.
 
Just_me said:
A little bit off-topic but I doubt the new 997 TT will rip a hole into SLR ;)


Okay fine...maybe the TT will not rip a hole in the SLR *cough *cough but the 997 GT2 will totally annhilate the SLR.
 
We always seem to get off topic so badly. Somone says one thing and it sets everyone aflame. Who cares if the SLR get's beat by the 911 GT2 or whatever. I think it's been established that the SLR isn't the best track car already. That's how it is with every MB sports car. But the fastest track time isn't what it's about. It's more about the engine more than anything else.
 
hell i wouldnt mind being ripped to shreads by a GT2 or 997 TT.. its no shame in that..
those car will rape almost 85% of the cars in production..
 
Currently BMW's 'M', but I must admit the tides are slowly changing. Audi's RS4 is just as good if not better at delivering exactly what a petrol head wants out of a car.
 
Luwalira said:
Sportauto lap time:

Porsche 911 GT2 (462hp) ------------------------------ 7.46 min

Mercedes SLR ------------------------------------------- 7.52 min


The 997TT will pack 480-500hp and be without a doubt be a better car than the 996GT2, which is quicker around the track than the SLR. Therefor I have no doubts that my signature will become a reality :D.

the one you show above is a GT2 and not TT. Also you only say rip a hole in the heart and noone know if you mean on a track or straightline accelertaion. Acceleration only and SLr will rip a hole into 997TT ;)

with that said lets stay-on-topic ,,
 
I voted for AMG. I have not driven an S or RS so I am not fully qualified to vote but I have driven both an M5 and an E55. My vote does not mean that M is inferior to AMG.
What it means is that AMG differs more from the regular Mercedes than an M5 from the regular 5 - series. At least that was my observation when test driving these cars. The normal Mercedes throttle response is really lazy compared to the AMG car. The M5 was merely a few steps up from the next model down in the 5 - series cars. The difference was not as pronounced as in the E55 vs. E500.
Some of the previous comments have made mention of Porsches so I will also put my 2 cents in: I have also test driven a 993 Turbo, and neither M nor AMG can hold a candle to this car. The experience is exhilarating.
 
donau said:
I voted for AMG. I have not driven an S or RS so I am not fully qualified to vote but I have driven both an M5 and an E55. My vote does not mean that M is inferior to AMG.
What it means is that AMG differs more from the regular Mercedes than an M5 from the regular 5 - series. At least that was my observation when test driving these cars. The normal Mercedes throttle response is really lazy compared to the AMG car. The M5 was merely a few steps up from the next model down in the 5 - series cars. The difference was not as pronounced as in the E55 vs. E500.
Some of the previous comments have made mention of Porsches so I will also put my 2 cents in: I have also test driven a 993 Turbo, and neither M nor AMG can hold a candle to this car. The experience is exhilarating.

did you drive the latest M5 or M6? I have and its a huge difference compared to standard 5er.
 
I am going to go with S/RS

In the automotive history these three brands have all shared their times where they have exceeded others in expectations and performance.

For me I believe that BMW is heading towards a very conservative approach in power and concentrating on other issues like power to weight ratio.

MB is like the one who likes to shoot steroids into the animal without every thinking about it. I mean look at the SL65 and the CL65 those things are animals. Either way I really don't think that they possess the fire that BMW once possesed.

Audi seems to be the one that is taking BMW old position and showing a growing fire within their factory. The new RS4 is a testament to that and I really can't wait to see the future cars they bring out. In addition to this they are doing it Naturally Aspirated.
 
Just_me said:
did you drive the latest M5 or M6? I have and its a huge difference compared to standard 5er.
No, this was one model back. So, I was comparing an M5 to the same year model 540. I can't remember now which model year it was for sure (must have been 2002 or 2003), but no, I have not driven the latest M cars.
 
donau said:
No, this was one model back. So, I was comparing an M5 to the same year model 540. I can't remember now which model year it was for sure (must have been 2002 or 2003), but no, I have not driven the latest M cars.
That's an E39... that's an amazing car. I voted for ///M because they make some of the finest sportscars in the world... we have the inline 6 from the M3 which has one the most Engine of the year award... then we have the V10 which is also one of the best out there. With all honesty, I knew from the beginning that I wanted to work for BMW and I'm doing some good progress. I'm really considering about going into the Motorsport division though, that would be extremely interesting.
 
donau said:
No, this was one model back. So, I was comparing an M5 to the same year model 540. I can't remember now which model year it was for sure (must have been 2002 or 2003), but no, I have not driven the latest M cars.


you should :) you will be amazed.
 
Yannis said:
Audi RS4 , BMW M5 and Audi S8 are my favorites in the 3 performance sedan segments so my vote goes to RS while i also like BMW's M also. AMG is my third best not cause they make bad cars but cause they don't offer class leading cars like RS4 and M5.

RS4 is no class leading car. M3 has always been the benchmark here. Just because M3 is in a transition period doesn't make the RS4 class leading. For now it's the best in it's class, but both you and I knwo that the next M3 will be the car the beat in the next couple of years in this segment!
 
Just_me said:
you should :) you will be amazed.
Thanks, no doubt they are impressive. At the time when I was driving them I was sincerely considering buying one so I did not feel too bad testdriving it.
Now my focus has shifted to the Porsche world for a potential next car and I feel I would be cheating the dealership if I asked for a testdrive. Therefore I don't know when and where I could drive one. However, I have a friend with whom I work (and who also posts here - we are old GCF readers) and who is an unwavering BMW loyalist. I suspect that he might find a reason one day to testdrive one. If so, I'll tag along.

warot said:
That's an E39... that's an amazing car. I voted for ///M because they make some of the finest sportscars in the world... we have the inline 6 from the M3 which has one the most Engine of the year award... then we have the V10 which is also one of the best out there. With all honesty, I knew from the beginning that I wanted to work for BMW and I'm doing some good progress. I'm really considering about going into the Motorsport division though, that would be extremely interesting.
Sounds like a dream job. You are lucky.
 
klier said:
RS4 is no class leading car. M3 has always been the benchmark here. Just because M3 is in a transition period doesn't make the RS4 class leading. For now it's the best in it's class, but both you and I knwo that the next M3 will be the car the beat in the next couple of years in this segment!

My friend I agree with you 100% but you have to give it to the new RS4 it is a dangerous machine. I am sure that with every new piece of work BMW does they will set the benchmark. But remember that in the mid 90's they were on a roll and only recently have been slowed down or at least it seems like it because the other brands, like Audi, are catching up. Audi has developed a powerful NA engine which is found in the RS4. In addition to this they have just presented thee S6 with the V10 which we will see how it lives up to its competitors.

Either way I really do like the new RS4 a lot and think that it is a piece of work that is unmatched...yet!
 
M cars are the best for track use but theyre not the closest of the 3 to be a racing car going by the M5 and M6. I say this because of all the electronics involved with the car, it does alot of the work for you.
 
klier said:
RS4 is no class leading car. M3 has always been the benchmark here. Just because M3 is in a transition period doesn't make the RS4 class leading. For now it's the best in it's class, but both you and I knwo that the next M3 will be the car the beat in the next couple of years in this segment!

Its the best thats out now so its class leading:eusa_hand
 
I think BMW M and Mercedes AMG are targeting their cars to different types of car enthusiasts.

BMW has always been about "the ultimate driving experience", and their M cars are their top of the line products. BMW and M always have and continue to produce cars which reward drivers with excellent steering feel, excellent brake feel, and manual transmissions (stick or SMG) which give the driver complete control. Cars like the E46 M3 and E60 M5 have wonderful high reving naturally aspirated powerplants which generate power with high engine speeds, again requiring the driver to "work" a bit to get the speed and acceleration. The ride in M cars is a bit harsh, but that rougher ride on everyday roads means excellent cornering ability and grip on a track with curves. As a "fun" car on a track that demands more driver involvement, BMW M is the clear winner. It is no fluke that almost every car magazine/show consistently rate BMW M cars very highly when it comes to overall performance.

I think AMG customers are a different breed. AMG cars are usually more luxurious inside and more heavy than M cars. All AMG cars have automatic transmissions (with manual modes if you want to shift like a sequential gearbox) which mean a smoother, more relaxing driving experience on everyday roads. All AMG cars use large displacement engines (with or without forced induction) to generate gobs of torque in the low-mid rpm range. As such, it is easier and more relaxing to drive an AMG car fast, as you don't have to rev the engine as high. Most AMG cars have a more comfortable ride on everyday roads than the M cars. The cost for that everyday comfort is more body roll when cornering at the limits, compared to a M car. However, it is all relative. All AMG cars have more sporty tuned suspension which make them handle much better than normal Benzes and most "sports cars" on the road. Bottom line: almost every AMG car is easier and more relaxing to drive fast on everyday roads (straight or twisty) compared to the equivalent M car, but the M cars offer a greater sense of involvement. On a track where you are cornering at the limits of grip, the M cars inspire more confidence for the driver. On the other hand, it's hard to beat the AMG experience if you're cruising or rocketing down the highway.

To me, the Audi S/RS line of cars is harder to label. They seem to offer a hybrid between the M and AMG experience, although I think they are aiming to be more like BMW M, but with quattro AWD as their distingishing feature.
 

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