Vs Autobild: (F30) BMW 320d vs Mercedes C220 Cdi


F30 328i driven today by me :) Still drives like a dream and unlike 5-series nothing has been lost. Forza F30 :)
 
I see that Autobild rated Interior quality the same for both cars. Same conclusion I said yesterday.
 
hah the C class is 5 years old..haha and still it looks better ( thats personal) and is not so far behind the 3er as previous generations..
The gap is closing..;)
 
hah the C class is 5 years old..haha and still it looks better ( thats personal) and is not so far behind the 3er as previous generations..
The gap is closing..;)

Well, in the article Autobilda said that C-class felt one generation behind compare to F30. But C-class was pretty close to E90 as well but still BMW is one step ahead.
Like I said in my review, the DNA from E90 is still with the F30 which is a good thing. Unlike 5-series which made 180 degres turnaround compare to E60.
 
BMW really needed to have at least one model remain the "Magazine Comparison Test Darling", which is what practically built the brand in a sense. They surely made sure they didn't F with the 3 formula, and can at least have one car that MT and the like will probably still fawn over, regarding things like "Driving Dynamics" and cone twirlings and such (things that nobody really does, and BMW practically admitted that by softening up their lineup.... however, it's something that always got them "cool points"). This is good news, as they couldn't afford anything less from the 3er.
 
hah the C class is 5 years old..haha and still it looks better ( thats personal) and is not so far behind the 3er as previous generations..
The gap is closing..;)

you know that you can make that statement to almost every car? for example: e39 still looks better then w212 e class, woah, mercedes is so behind of bmw. lol
 
Artist drives an E39 BMW I believe, and I'm sure he'd rather be looking at a W212 every day? :D
 
Of course. The E39 example is a liiiitle skewed though in comparison to what he was saying as the E39 is a relic and considered a modern-classic at this point.
 
GTA why is the C better and with fewer problems :D


The 2011-12 BMWs havn`t been doing that great in the quality reports. The 3-Series is their best car and uasually ranks better than the 5 and 7-Series in the long run.
(come f/l time BMW usually ranks either the same or trail off in quality. Mercedes seems to jump off the charts)


I'd take the C off of looks, but the 3 off of overall car. The F.L did bring the W204 down a bit. They nailed it before the facelift. Should have just changed the interior, the graphics on the lights and called it a day!

I agree with you about the headlight graphics of the C-Class. Yes MB should have left the sedan alone with the headlights, just change the lenses and add leds.
The C coupe alone looks good with the previous SL like headlights.


I see that Autobild rated Interior quality the same for both cars. Same conclusion I said yesterday.

-probably so... design wise thay both look pretty good. The C-Class is all business though. The BMW 3-Series is to but it adds some faux-elegance with that mudd slide plastic over the glove box.
And that web affect on the right side of the center console looks out of place. The new 3 has stepped it up with a bit more finnished details I will add, because it`s newer. I expect this of the next C-Class.

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But you are making a comment about the F30 right ?
As much as I remember this car is not even sold in most of the markets yet.
Quality compared to the current C ? Based on what are you making this statement ?
We still haven't heard of any issues with the F30 ;)
I've heard about many with the C-Class... hmm maybe because there are some with more than 1000km. on the clock :)
 
I have studied both F30 and C-class within one hour and found out that the quality materials is on the same level in both cars. Both use hard plastic in many places. Although C-class use harder plastic on the glovebox. Fit and finish also great in both. If someone state the opposite, then they are just biased.
 
But you are making a comment about the F30 right ?
As much as I remember this car is not even sold in most of the markets yet.
Quality compared to the current C ? Based on what are you making this statement ?
We still haven't heard of any issues with the F30 ;)
I've heard about many with the C-Class... hmm maybe because there are some with more than 1000km. on the clock :)


The F30 is new. The current 3.. as old as it is still has some basic quality issues which should have been corrected by f/l. No, I won`t judge the f30 just yet.

Here is a study on the 2011 BMW 3-Series vs. C-Class.. this should tell you about the basic quality reps of both. Maby BMW fixed the basic stuff by now...

JDPower: Body Interior Quality Mechanical: Taken from the Initial Quality Study (IQS), which looks at owner-reported problems in the first 90 days of new-vehicle ownership, this score is based on problems with wind noise, water leaks, poor interior fit/finish, paint imperfection, and squeaks/rattles.

2011 BMW 3-Series...
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/ 2011 Merc C-Class...
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Oh no , not another JD Power survey thread again :eusa_doh: Thats just for the American market and not the rest of the world. My father had his E90 for 4 years now and so far only one single fault and his co-workers had their E90 for some time and the realibility is high.

Lets focus about F30 and W204 and leave it there please.
 
Basic interior of both cars are designed primarily to appeal to their core customer base which if you read this and other threads on this subject appears to be true. J_M hit the nail on the head when he said rating one higher than the other highlights your bias/personal preference to one brand over the other.
 
If someone state the opposite, then they are just biased.

Or they just have a different opinion to you.

Oh no , not another JD Power survey thread again :eusa_doh: Thats just for the American market and not the rest of the world. My father had his E90 for 4 years now and so far only one single fault and his co-workers had their E90 for some time and the realibility is high.

JD Power have a professionally undertaken study with a sample of thousands and you have a sample of a few based on conjecture. Makes sense! :usa7uh:
 
All im saying is that jd power isnt a holy bible and only a fool trust them literally.

No, hard plastic isnt a personal opinion.
 
All im saying is that jd power isnt a holy bible and only a fool trust them literally.

No, hard plastic isnt a personal opinion.
 
JD Power is ultimately as accurate as going on to Amazon and looking at a products star rating which all depends on how easily annoyed the individual might be, the same problem could produce a rating of 3stars from one but might be a single star from another.

Personal experience is the ultimate gauge, if you've had a great experience yourself then you continue to buy but if you don't you won't.
 

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