AutoBild - BMW M3 GTS vs. Porsche 911 GT3 RS

[DeDe]

The GT3 RS's performance is mind-blowing!



BMW M3 GTS

• Engine: V8, 450 hp, 440 Nm
• Gearbox: 7-speed-DKG
• Tyres: Pirell P Zero Corsa
• Weight: 1538 kg
• Vmax.: 305 km/h
• 0-100 km/h in 4,6 s
• 0-200 km/h in 14,3 s
• 80-120 km/h in 5th/6th gear: 4,3 s/5,0 s
• Braking 100-0 km/h (warm): 32,8 m
• Price: €136.850,-

Porsche 911 GT3 RS

• Engine: B6, 450 hp, 430 Nm
• Gearbox: 6-speed-manual
• Tyres: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup
• Weight: 1400 kg
• Vmax.: 310 km/h
• 0-100 km/h in 3,7 s
• 0-200 km/h in 12,3 s
• 80-120 km/h in 5th/6th gear: 5,1 s/7,0 s
• Braking 100-0 km/h (warm): 32,0 m
• Price: €162.138,-

I hope this comparo will be published in the next issue of AutoBild Sportscars as well.

Article & picture gallery - http://www.autobild.de/artikel/bmw-...-rs-vergleich_1227813.html?bild=20&now=10#mmg

 

[footie]

Thanks for posting this test, it's always interesting to see how something new compares to the established leader. Great set of results for the Porsche, though the figures for the GTS are the more interesting because we can compare them to results of the stock M3s that have been tested throughout the pass few years to see how well BMW have done with it's modification. Is this is a poor showing or a typical example of what a GTS is capable of is probably too early to say but these results do make one wonder why C&D are trying to tell us that a stock M3 is capable of accelerating to 60mph in 3.9s (4.2s adjusted for rollout) on less sticky rubber.

Also, one would expect that an extra 30hp+30ft/lbs and a drop of 75kg would have yielded more than 0.9s improvement from 0-200km/h. It's not as if the GT3RS suffered launch problems during this test as it's figures are on the money. It does make you question the validity of US magazine results where they adjust their results according to set parameters and to a much lesser extent the European figures that suggest a stock M3 is capable of 4.6s to 100km/h and 15.2s to 200km/h.

I know some here might view these skeptical comments of mine with the usual anti-BMW label but it's still something that needs to be said regardless.

Flame suit at the ready.

 

[Sunny]

What are you trying to get at? The 3.9 secs that C&D got for M3 is an outlier? Maybe, but so is the 4 secs they got for RS5 in the same test.

0-60 times is going to depend on traction and hence the launch method and the road surface, if you want a consistent measure of a car's straight line performance, look at 0-200 or still better the quarter mile trap speed.

 

[emve]

I hope this comparo will be published in the next issue of AutoBild Sportscars as well.

When should be the new AB Sportscars out ?

Hoping to see 458 or LP570 test. Or GT2 RS. GT2 RS test is going to be in the next AMS ?

 

[Levi68]

I voted M3 GTS, because biased, but would still take 911 GT3 RS, it is the best car, the fastest car at the moment,7:33 on N-Ring, if not better. I think the M3 GTS should have been compared to 911 GT3, and not to 911 GT3 RS, as I thought before. The 911 GT3 RS rival should be the M3 GTS-R. If the M3 GTS was priced at 95.000 €, it would be a very serious rival.

 

[martinbo]

If the M3 GTS came in another colour the choice would be much, much harder. But, if I were spending the money and the car was available in SA I'd still opt for the GT3 RS. I ain't be spendin' big cash for no colour choice - no sirreee... especially not orange.

In any event, the GTS is a fantastic machine but its relevance is limited to European track shoot-outs and internet fanboy one-upmanship. Pity, I hear it's one of the very best M3s ever and yet so cruelly unavailable.

GT3 RS it is then.

 

[DeDe]

When should be the new AB Sportscars out ?

This friday.

GT2 RS test is going to be in the next AMS ?

No info yet.

 

[Zafiro]

C&D acceleration times has no relevance with the times here. If the M3 CS was fixed then so was the RS5. Its just ignorance thinking otherwise. Again, two different carmags, two difference ways of meassure acceleration and two different conditions.
Enough of this bullshit, this thread is about M3 GTS and GT3 RS and if I hear another word about the test from C&D, posts will be deleted. Simple as that.

Now back to the test. In the article they said the Porsche was 2 seconds faster around the track. I take it they drove around N-ring. Why in the world didn't they present the laptimes?
I'm curious how fast M3 GTS is around N-ring.

 

[DeDe]

Now back to the test. In the article they said the Porsche was 2 seconds faster around the track. I take it they drove around N-ring. Why in the world didn't they present the laptimes?
I'm curious how fast M3 GTS is around N-ring.

They said "on our testtrack". And that is Sachsenring. Why didn't they post the times? Maybe because they will post a more performance-oriented version of this test in the new issue of AutoBild Sportscars.
So, if my guesses are right, and the GT3 RS is 2 seconds faster around the Sachsenring, that means the GTS did it in around 1:36,8 min (GT3 RS: 1:34,8 min), which is more than 4 seconds faster than a regular M3 with DKG.

1:34,8 min - 997.2 GT3 RS
1:36,1 min - 997.2 GT3
1:36,8 min (est.) - M3 GTS
1:37,2 min - SLS AMG
1:40,9 min - M3 DKG

 

[south]

They said "on our testtrack". And that is Sachsenring. Why didn't they post the times? Maybe because they will post a more performance-oriented version of this test in the new issue of AutoBild Sportscars.

Yes, I think so. This test was published in last Friday's Autobild, but I hope it will be in the AB Sportscars too, but with some more details.


Best regards,
south

 

[footie]

Now back to the test. In the article they said the Porsche was 2 seconds faster around the track. I take it they drove around N-ring. Why in the world didn't they present the laptimes?
I'm curious how fast M3 GTS is around N-ring.

I seriously doubt the GTS is within 2 seconds around the Nurburgring but until someone actually tries this out I think we will all have our opinions.

Personally, based on looks I would pick the Porsche, based on status of brand and it's racing history I again would pick the Porsche, but on the sheer fun factor of throwing it around the track I would pick the BMW simply because I think the margin of error afforded to the driver would be greater, meaning you could take greater risk without the likelihood of it biting back.

 

[DeDe]

^^ I'm so tired to read the word RS5. From you especially, footie. Sorry for that...

EDiT: Edited post. Thanks.

 

[south]

Footie, the first part of your response goes against Just_Me's reminder to keep this thread on topic. Hence, it was deleted. Feel free to comment in the appropriate thread if you wish to, though.


Best regards,
south

 

[footie]

No problem South, point in the right direction and I will make those comments available to be discussed.

 

[footie]

^^ I'm so tired to read the word RS5. From you especially, footie. Sorry for that...

EDiT: Edited post. Thanks.

May I remind you that it was Just_Me who brought up the subject of the RS5 and not me, I was simply highlighting M3 vs M3GTS.

 

[Zafiro]

I seriously doubt the GTS is within 2 seconds around the Nurburgring but until someone actually tries this out I think we will all have our opinions.

I think BMW own time is 7.40 min but I want an independent source. Anyhow, DeDe explained it was not N-ring. The test was done on Sachenring.

 

[south]

The next Sportauto will feature a Supertest of the M3 GTS. This should bring some more insight to the GTS' performance, including the Nuerburgring.


Best regards,
south

 

[DeDe]

The next Sportauto will feature a Supertest of the M3 GTS. This should bring some more insight to the GTS' performance, including the Nuerburgring.


Best regards,
south

Sport Auto's homepage says the next Supertested car will be the Lexus LFA.
- Lexus LFA im Test-Quiz: Nordschleifen-Rundenzeit tippen & mitfahren | Sportauto

 

[footie]

^ I am looking forward to these results to see how this one compares.

 

[Levi68]

I can't wait to see what is the LFA like? I like everything about this car, except the price. If it was priced like 459 Italia, MP4-12C and 911 Turbo S, it would be my favorite supercar/sportscar. I never thought I would say this about a Lexus, eventhough it is what I drive.