Auto Motor und Sport: BMW M5 vs Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG

[PanterroR]

Does it mean they prefered the front seats in M5 over the front seats in E63?

Could be...

 

[cawimmer430]

In "fahrcomfort" (drive comfort) I see that the M5 scored better points than E63 in category "sitze vorn" (seat front) and same points in "sitze hinten" (seat back).

Does it mean they prefered the front seats in M5 over the front seats in E63?

Could be. Or maybe they liked the sporty shaped seats of the M5 which probably offer more side support than those on the E63 AMG. The point ranking in those areas always baffles me. For example, sometimes, AMS rates pure-bred sports cars like a Ferrari with a 1 in comfort. It's a friggin sports car! Who cares about the comfort on that thing?

 

[Deleted member 182]

For example, sometimes, AMS rates pure-bred sports cars like a Ferrari with a 1 in comfort. It's a friggin sports car! Who cares about the comfort on that thing?

Nobody likes driving if it gives them headache and buttache. Broken thoots are also nothing fun.

 

[Zafiro]

Could be. Or maybe they liked the sporty shaped seats of the M5 which probably offer more side support than those on the E63 AMG. The point ranking in those areas always baffles me. For example, sometimes, AMS rates pure-bred sports cars like a Ferrari with a 1 in comfort. It's a friggin sports car! Who cares about the comfort on that thing?

If you remember I have always said the seats in new M5 is just as comfortable as the ones in E55. So I wouldnt be surprised if they ranked the seats above the seats in E63.
The big difference between M5 and E55 is in the suspension settings (stiffer in M cars) the big difference dont lies in the seats..
Both cars have cousy seats if you ask me.

 

[Michael]

If you remember I have always said the seats in new M5 is just as comfortable as the ones in E55. So I wouldnt be surprised if they ranked the seats above the seats in E63.
The big difference between M5 and E55 is in the suspension settings (stiffer in M cars) the big difference dont lies in the seats..
Both cars have cousy seats if you ask me.

I would much prefer the M5 bucket sports seats than the comfort seats offered. I just love the way those seats hug you, also I have to mentioned that the Recaro seats in the S4 are also incredible. I have never been a big fan of how MB seats feel on my toosh, but then again I haven't sat in an E class (I think) recently.

 

[GTA45E]

M cars isnt about the best overall performance package or ultimate luxury, its about sport and they use the slogan "ultimate driving machine". So they have to cut on somethings to stay "the ultimate driving machine" and M buyers arent asking for BMW to build the ultimate luxury car. And BMW certainly isnt going to change their philosophy just to win carcomparions. M cars will sell anyway and people will still buy them. If BMW started to built comfortable luxury cars, M would lose a lot of customers.

If BMW started to built a comfortable luxury M cars instead of sport, then I wouldnt be a M enthusiast anymore and it would lose its charisma.

I once heard, AMG is luxury with touch of sport and M is sport with a touch of luxury. Thats sound alright to me

I don`t believe the journalits are trying to change BMWs` design philosphy,
thats not the point. The point is which design works best in everyday use since these are cars built for the everyday consumer. On top of that you can`t say the M5 is 2 or even 3 times sportier than the E63 AMG.

These cars are just about equal, thay have talants in different areas but one happens to have a greater overall balance with (everyday use) than the other
and that is whats going to win with the journalists. I`m talking about performance and luxury combined!

The M5 is just as luxurious as the E63. It just doesn`t cut the fine lines with sure-footed 2+2=4 balance like the E63 can, so the journalists are reporting so far!

 

[Zafiro]

I don`t believe the journalits are trying to change BMWs` design philosphy,
thats not the point. The point is which design works best in everyday use since these are cars built for the everyday consumer. On top of that you can`t say the M5 is 2 or even 3 times sportier than the E63 AMG.

These cars are just about equal, thay have talants in different areas but one happens to have a greater overall balance with (everyday use) than the other
and that is whats going to win with the journalists. I`m talking about performance and luxury combined!

The M5 is just as luxurious as the E63. It just doesn`t cut the fine lines with sure-footed 2+2=4 balance like the E63 can, so the journalists are reporting so far!

Like I said BMW M arent trying to win carmags hearts, they dont need too either. They will sell anyway. Some of you guys are so obsessed that your favorite car need to win comparisons. Like I said its good for bragging rights, in real-life it doesnt matter. BMW will sell their M cars anyway.
M5 owners wont trade their car just because the E63 win comparisons. M and AMG already have their clients.

 

[Sunny]

Damn, E63 is 2 secs slower to 200, that is quite disappointing. I thought straighline accelration was AMG's forte... maybe that particluar car was weak, but 2 secs is still a lot.

 

[cawimmer430]

If you remember I have always said the seats in new M5 is just as comfortable as the ones in E55. So I wouldnt be surprised if they ranked the seats above the seats in E63.
The big difference between M5 and E55 is in the suspension settings (stiffer in M cars) the big difference dont lies in the seats..
Both cars have cousy seats if you ask me.

All I know is, I should check into a career as an automotive journalist. You get to drive so many cars.

 

[cawimmer430]

Damn, E63 is 2 secs slower to 200, that is quite disappointing. I thought straighline accelration was AMG's forte... maybe that particluar car was weak, but 2 secs is still a lot.

Like I said, AMS isn't that crazy about achieving the best 0-100 km/h times etc. It is not only the E63 AMG that is "slow" here, I bet that the M5 is much quicker than what they posted.

 

[Imhotep Evil]

Damn, E63 is 2 secs slower to 200, that is quite disappointing. I thought straighline accelration was AMG's forte... maybe that particluar car was weak, but 2 secs is still a lot.

Yeah, that is strage.
But the time the M5 got was also crappy.

 

[Merc1]

You know, this is the 3rd time now that the E60 M5 has lost to an AMG product in recent magazine reviews. To me, it is a bit of a surprise, as BMW M cars have historically dominated comparison tests with their AMG equivalents.

Evo picked the CLS55 AMG over the M5.
Automobile picked the E63 over the M5.
And now Auto Motor Und Sport also picked the E63 over the M5.

Of course, the M5 has won some too (Car, Motortrend and Car & Driver picked the M5 over the CLS55 AMG).

It just shows that all this doesn't matter.......individual buyers (and magazines) will choose based on their own personal tastes and biases.

That is true, but one thing is clear with such varied results. AMG is no longer taking a back seat to Motorsport cars because just a few years ago M cars won every test I'd ever seen.

M

 

[Nuvo]

Like I said BMW M arent trying to win carmags hearts, they dont need too either. They will sell anyway. Some of you guys are so obsessed that your favorite car need to win comparisons. Like I said its good for bragging rights, in real-life it doesnt matter. BMW will sell their M cars anyway.
M5 owners wont trade their car just because the E63 win comparisons. M and AMG already have their clients.

I think GTA has raised some good issues. On top of that we don`t know actual reasons each individual buys (or even trade) these cars. Magazine victories can play a roll.


When you have money to play with you can do silly things like that.

 

[Michael]

I do think that magazines have an influence on a buyer. Sometimes people who are not buyers. Don't you ever get the feeling that you want to read a review between two cars just to see which one won and you can make up your mind about whether it is a good buy? I do. So, when I read these magazines I start asking myself: has bmw just gotten lazy or has the competition gotten better? I think it is the latter, because at one time MB would get their arses handed to them, but unfortunately MB and Audi are playing major catch up. BMW can say that their intention is to make a lighter car, but ultimately, what wins wins.

I love the M5, but I think the E63 is drop dead sexy. I would honestly not have my mind made up if I had the money to buy one of the two. Truthfully I would go and test drive both because I would have to see which one makes me feel like I belong in the car, rather than stay with tradition.

 

[Imhotep Evil]

Ofcourse another way of looking at this, is that magazines have changed their methodology.

Instead of driving (dynamics and feelings) and performance now at high performance cars they're also concerned about other things, and go for this all rounder philosphy.

Ofcourse this way you could say the lowest common denominator and pouseurism has replace passion.

Oh well, things are relative to how you interpret them.
As long as BMW wins the driving dynamics and performance no problem.

 

[Zafiro]

I think GTA has raised some good issues. On top of that we don`t know actual reasons each individual buys (or even trade) these cars. Magazine victories can play a roll.


When you have money to play with you can do silly things like that.

oh come on now, two ultimate MB fans being best friends. Thats crazy

 

[Zafiro]

I do think that magazines have an influence on a buyer. Sometimes people who are not buyers. Don't you ever get the feeling that you want to read a review between two cars just to see which one won and you can make up your mind about whether it is a good buy? I do. So, when I read these magazines I start asking myself: has bmw just gotten lazy or has the competition gotten better? I think it is the latter, because at one time MB would get their arses handed to them, but unfortunately MB and Audi are playing major catch up. BMW can say that their intention is to make a lighter car, but ultimately, what wins wins.

I love the M5, but I think the E63 is drop dead sexy. I would honestly not have my mind made up if I had the money to buy one of the two. Truthfully I would go and test drive both because I would have to see which one makes me feel like I belong in the car, rather than stay with tradition.

When it comes to performance brands like M and AMG. Carreviews victories doesnt play a big part what car people buying. Of course its a person who never tried a M or AMG then he can only rely on carmags (but he still cant be sure that the winner is the right car for him). Most of the times, buyers of AMG and M pretty much already know what these cars are about.
M have their buyers and AMG have theirs and not much is going to change that.
M5 can go on lose another 10 carcomparisons, they will still sell like hotcakes and BMw dont have to think about those carreviews. As long as sales are good, nothing else matters.

I driven both M5 and E55 so I know which one I choose. I havent tried E63 but so far I havent read why I suddenly would buy a E63 instead of a M5
So far I havent heard any member on m5board.com saying he will trade his M5 for a E63

 

[ALI]

TBO , I think something is wrong here , those times they achieved with the E63 is just rediculously slow , ive even seen the M5 do better , plus the times of the E63 seem to be E55 times .....BS , i dont believe this !!

 

[Zafiro]

TBO , I think something is wrong here , those times they achieved with the E63 is just rediculously slow , ive even seen the M5 do better , plus the times of the E63 seem to be E55 times .....BS , i dont believe this !!

its true. If the M5 got a good time then this test would be BS but since both cars got bad times then its unfortuanly true .
But im certain we will see better times in the future. Dont worry.

welcome back btw

 

[Sunny]

TBO , I think something is wrong here , those times they achieved with the E63 is just rediculously slow , ive even seen the M5 do better , plus the times of the E63 seem to be E55 times .....BS , i dont believe this !!

It could be bad conditions like slipery road or hot and humid and hence bad times for both cars, but 2 secs is a huge ass gap. But I am not surprised it is slower than E55 to 200, after all it is slush box and now it needs to shift 7 times vs 5 before to make up for the lack of torque vs E55. And each of these shifts M5 is going to gain some time with it's lighting fast SMG.