Quattro/S2 Audi Quattro Concept

[Deleted member 1071]

I certainly hope that the publics' extremely favorable reaction to the Quattro Concept motivates Audi to actually produce this car (or something very similar) in larger numbers. And not in the too distant future. I've read on Germanys' AutoBild website that Audi received 150 requests to place binding offers for the car. On the first day of the Paris show. From the UK alone. That speaks volumes.

 

[Dave1984]

We have already seen videos of testing prototype in that psychedelic tape cover, haven't we? Doesn't that mean Audi has already decided to produce it? I doubt they are testing the concept car. The question remains weather the lightweight construction, engine, and gearbox from the concept car will be used in the production car as well.

 

[coolraoul]

That is a really very nice concept, Audi really should make it real without altering anything IMO.

Nice re-thinking of the current Audi design with very noticeable cues to the Ur-Quattro, I really love that angry little baby!

 

[Deleted member 1071]

Audis' record regarding eventually bringing production versions of concept cars is not really too bad. Some seemingly production viable concepts however, such as the Nuvolari and Roadjet, never made it. An especially noteable example was the Quattro Spyder Concept of 1991. Audi was swamped by requests of those wishing to place irrevocable binding orders, many hundreds in fact. Alas, the Quattro Spyder never made it to production.

 

[footie]

Another point about Winterkorn's suggestion of a possible 30-35000 production run. If this in fact became reality then there is a high likelihood that this model WOULD make it to the US and Canada. Another thing, such high quantities would greatly reduce the price point well below what we originally thought, after all it's only the body that is being replaced, the rest of the equipment is already in service in other Audi models so I doubt they will look to price it much beyond £70-75K (86-90K euro). Of course all of this is hypothetical because it's not been confirmed if it will go into production.

We can but dream.

 

[Audi69]

We have already seen videos of testing prototype in that psychedelic tape cover, haven't we? Doesn't that mean Audi has already decided to produce it? I doubt they are testing the concept car. The question remains weather the lightweight construction, engine, and gearbox from the concept car will be used in the production car as well.

Can you put the link to any such videos on here please. I am not aware of any testing for the new Ur-Quattro. I know there was testing (well really a showcase to media on what Audi was upto for the future) of an A5 with 2.0 FSI using plastic composite and new ASF compared to the old 3.2 version.
Driven: Audi A5 Lightweight Coupe Prototype

Seems now it is more likely to happen. I think the next generation S5 and S4 will use TTRS engine or something similar and RS5/4 an upgarded 3.0 TFSI (Supercharged or Bi/twin turbo configuration)

 

[martinbo]

Pistonheads' opinion, and not-so-revealing insider information:

PistonHeads Headlines

There are probably two things you'll want to know about the new Audi Quattro Concept: is Audi going to build it, and how much is it going to cost? Unfortunately, these are both questions that Audi can't really answer, even off the record.

What the car's British designer, Steve Lewis, could tell me when I managed to grab a chat with him at the VW Group's pre-Paris show bash was that Audi does at least want to make it - this is not a pure pie-in-the-sky dream.

It does, of course, depend on how good the public's reaction to the car is (and the P.H. O'Meter is naturally going to play a crucial role in that), but it seems that a 500-car production run is at least a possibility. As for how much it's going to cost? Well, there's absolutely no line on that, but you'd surely be looking at 911 GT3 territory.

If Audi does build it, Steve reckons that the Quattro Concept could be the first Audi built by Italdesign since Giorgetto Giugiaro's styling house was brought within the VW fold earlier this year. The concept has also been physically created at Italdesign's Turin HQ - the first concept car it's done for the VW group since the takeover - so it would make sense that the Italian firm, whose expertise lies in limited-production specialist models as well as in design, should take responsibility for the car.

The genes of the A5 and RS5 on which the Quattro Concept is based are evident in the curvy haunches, although the car's wheelbase has been shortened by 150mm - a move that adds to the car's agility and also reduces weight. Like the original 1984 Sport Quattro - which was introduced so that the rally car could compete with ever-more extreme Group B rally competitors - the looks of the Quattro Concept are therefore a result of function first and form second, although the rear overhang has been chopped by a significant 200mm to keep the shape balanced, something that was most certainly not done on the 1984 car.

There are plenty of other visual ties to the Sport Quattro, the most obvious of which is the chunky, angled C-pillar. The prominently flared wheelarches, air vent on the right-hand side of the bonnet and blacked-out boot are also visual nods to the car's spiritual ancestor. Inside, there's even an oh-so-Quattro fully digital instrument cluster.

Even if Audi doesn't make this car, the Quattro Concept is a statement of serious intent. Its 1300kg kerb weight (almost identical to the original Sport Quattro's) is getting on for supermini hot hatch lightness and is a clear signal from Audi that it is ready to bring its lightweight technology to bear on mainstream cars. "We've seen what the supercar makers can do with lightweight materials," an Audi insider told me at Paris. "Now it's time to see what the big boys can do."

The aluminium spaceframe also gets help from carbon fibre - there's some at the front of the car and the bonnet, rear hatch and electrically raising rear spoiler are made from it - and the result is that the 402bhp, 2.5-litre turbocharged five-pot from the TT RS, slung longitudinally, can launch the car to 62mph in around 3.5secs.

The drivetrain, meanwhile is as performance-focused as the rest of the car. Out goes the woolly Haldex four-wheel drive system, to be replaced by the crown-gear differential affair from the RS5. Heck, the concept car even has a proper, honest-to-goodness conventional manual gearbox (with three pedals and everything).

The Sport Quattro has the potential to be the most focused Audi for more than a quarter of a century. Let's hope Ingolstadt has the balls to make it happen.

 

[Dave1984]

Can you put the link to any such videos on here please. I am not aware of any testing for the new Ur-Quattro.

Perhaps it's just the concept car after all. Rims are the same as the ones on the Concept, and so are the side mirrors. I guess a real testing prototype would feature a production mirrors as required by EU laws. But why would they cover the concept car in that tape used for masking the testing prototypes? The car in the picture also features valid register plates.

 

[donkeykong]

Perhaps it's just the concept car after all. Rims are the same as the ones on the Concept, and so are the side mirrors. I guess a real testing prototype would feature a production mirrors as required by EU laws. But why would they cover the concept car in that tape used for masking the testing prototypes? The car in the picture also features valid register plates.

that's the same car used in the video promo looks to have been shot at some mountain top check the video on the first page.see those harnesses
they were used to transport it via helicopter.

 

[footie]

We have discussed the likelihood that Audi would construct the Quattro Concept's production car out of carbon fibre because it's usually extremely expensive, but Lamborghini (parent company Audi) has developed along with Boeing and University of Washington an entirely new method of using CF which is not only as strong as traditional methods but cost a third to manufacture. So you may well see Audi using this in future to not only lighten their entire range of models but help balance out the weight between each axle. No doubt the entirely VAG group will benefit these new developments, including Porsche.

LAMBORGHINI ANNOUNCES NEW CENTER FOR CARBON FIBER RESEARCH IN SANT’AGATA BOLOGNESE

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Sant’Agata Bolognese — Automobili Lamborghini S.p.A. announces a new Advanced Composites Research Center (ACRC) at its headquarters in Sant’Agata Bolognese. The center carries out research on innovative design and production methods for carbon-fiber elements. Both the ACRC and an all-new, highly efficient production process for extremely complex carbon-fiber structures were developed at the same time. The process is secured through an array of patents and constitutes a breakthrough into the next generation of carbon-fiber components.
Carbon-fiber technology is crucial to the future
“The consistent development of carbon-fiber technology is a key element of our strategy,” says Stephan Winkelmann, President and CEO of Automobili Lamborghini S.p.A. “The most important parameter for super sportscars is, now as in the future, the weight-to-power ratio; therefore, as there is a limit to power increase due to emission regulations, we must work on weight reduction. Extensive use of carbon fiber, even at structural level, allows Lamborghini to be at the forefront of development techniques. The real difference is in the correct use of technologies and materials to satisfy technical and financial concerns. This is what the Center is all about.”
Key technology for super sports cars
Carbon composite materials are crucial to tomorrow’s automotive engineering, especially for high-performance sports cars. These materials are made from carbon-fiber reinforced polymers and combine the lowest possible weight with excellent mechanical properties. Cars become lighter, thus improving fuel consumption and CO2 emissions. The decisive factor for any sportscar is improving its power-to-weight ratio and thus its performance. A super sportscar built using composite materials in carbon fiber has improved acceleration and braking as well as superior handling.
Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera: lightweight engineering champion thanks to carbon fiber
The current Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera offers a perfect example: compared with the already extremely lean Gallardo LP 560-4, its weight has been trimmed by a further 70 kilograms. One major contributing factor is use of exterior and interior components made from carbon fiber. The super sportscar from Sant’Agata Bolognese weighs in at no more than 1340 kilograms – the new benchmark for the exclusive market segment occupied by Lamborghini.
Over thirty years of experience at Lamborghini
Lamborghini has many years’ experience in composite elements. The first carbon-fiber based chassis prototype was built for the Countach as far back as 1983. Series production parts first appeared in 1985. The current Lamborghini Murciélago is built largely of carbon fiber, with 93 kilograms of structural carbon-fiber materials in its bodyshell. The Gallardo Spyder’s engine cover is the largest component ever produced in the automotive world with RTM technology and a class-A surface optimum finish.
ACRC’s functions
The new Lamborghini Advanced Composite Research Center comprises two facilities covering an area of more than 2,600 square meters. A team of 30 people, engineers and technicians, works here to develop vehicle components of all shapes and sizes. They build prototypes and the associated tools, production tools, and develop optimized production technologies. Sophisticated systems largely developed in-house allow extremely high precision levels as engineers simulate manufacturing processes as well as carry out crash tests on complex carbon-fiber structures.
Focus on innovative technologies
The ACRC is fitted with state-of-the-art equipment, such as a test laboratory with sophisticated testing and measuring devices, automated cutting and casting equipment, a heated, 1,000 ton press and several autoclaves to harden carbon-fiber parts under high pressure and temperatures. Efforts focus, however, on “out of autoclave” technologies such as Resin Transfer Molding (RTM), whereby carbon-fiber structures are compressed under high pressure; or vacuum RTM, whereby resin is forced into carbon-fiber using negative pressure.
Breakthrough on production processes
Lamborghini ACRD’s specialists have already achieved a definitive breakthrough with the invention of an innovative technology: they have developed one new process which combines the benefits of existing methods. Thanks to the extensively patented “RTM light” process, Lamborghini can use minimal pressure and relatively low temperatures to manufacture carbon-fiber components to the highest levels of quality, precision and surface finish, from small parts to complex vehicle structures. Further benefits include higher process speeds, lower costs, and extremely light tooling.
World-leading expertise in crash simulation
Carbon-fiber materials have impressive advantages. However, exceptional levels of expertise are necessary in order to muster fully their application as, for instance, in crash simulation. Together with The Boeing Company, Lamborghini initiated a crash analysis research program in 2007. In 2009, the Automobili Lamborghini Advanced Composite Structures Laboratory (ACSL) was established at the University of Washington, with Boeing and other US companies as partners. Around 20 scientists work in the fully-equipped laboratory and support the team in Sant’Agata Bolognese primarily in the field of crash and dynamics analysis. Results so far achieved are unmatched anywhere else in the world and have delivered extensive benefits to Lamborghini super sportscars’ safety and build quality.

 

[donkeykong]

You all know AutoSpies.

They're not very vocal about it but in private they will tell you that we are their guilty pleasure.

They can't get enough of your comments and opinions when a car launches or is reviewed.

So while I was in Paris walking the show floor, one of our moles within Audi approached me and asked what I thought of the Quattro concept.

My response was that I thought it was one of the nicest cars at the show.

I liked the fresh, slab body panels that reminded me of something carved out of marble and the small retro touches taken from the old Audi Coupe like the embossed rings stamped into the side of the roof.

And I especially liked the R8-ish front and rectangular tail lights.

Upon that, the mole started to sing and tell me that I'd better like it because it's the next A5/S5.

COMPLETE with the digital IP (instrument panel).

And that if you soften it up a 'little' and add two more doors, you have the next generation A4.

At this point I'm saying to myself, HOLY Hogans Heroes Schultzy!

If it's true, THAT is the scoop of the show!

So that said, would a softened four door version of this concept finally be the magic recipe to beat the next generation BMW 3-Series?

Or should they go back to the drawing board for a new idea??

Dont know if there is any truth to that story, buy time tells all.

 

[Merc1]

I just love this concept, they should build it. Very limited production and pricey it will be, but so what. They'll see all of them very quickly IMO.


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[footie]

You all know AutoSpies.

They're not very vocal about it but in private they will tell you that we are their guilty pleasure.

They can't get enough of your comments and opinions when a car launches or is reviewed.

So while I was in Paris walking the show floor, one of our moles within Audi approached me and asked what I thought of the Quattro concept.

My response was that I thought it was one of the nicest cars at the show.

I liked the fresh, slab body panels that reminded me of something carved out of marble and the small retro touches taken from the old Audi Coupe like the embossed rings stamped into the side of the roof.

And I especially liked the R8-ish front and rectangular tail lights.

Upon that, the mole started to sing and tell me that I'd better like it because it's the next A5/S5.

COMPLETE with the digital IP (instrument panel).

And that if you soften it up a 'little' and add two more doors, you have the next generation A4.

At this point I'm saying to myself, HOLY Hogans Heroes Schultzy!

If it's true, THAT is the scoop of the show!

So that said, would a softened four door version of this concept finally be the magic recipe to beat the next generation BMW 3-Series?

Or should they go back to the drawing board for a new idea??

Dont know if there is any truth to that story, buy time tells all.

Well this might just tie in with what I'm hearing and not only that but they (being Audi) intend to be the lightest in each sector by a reasonable margin, even with the inclusion of quattro.

 

[donkeykong]

Well this might just tie in with what I'm hearing and not only that but they (being Audi) intend to be the lightest in each sector by a reasonable margin, even with the inclusion of quattro.

All I can say it's about DANM time.the new A8 is the first exhibit your theory.

 

[Guibo]

Looks like Audi are seriously trying to get a plan approved, with a target price in mind.

Audi to build reborn Quattro

Friday, October 08, 2010

Audi is working on an engineering plan that will allow it to turn its spectacular Paris show-stopping Quattro Concept into a production vehicle.

A dedicated team of engineers at Audi’s headquarters in Ingolstadt is advancing plans that, if approved, will see the evocatively styled coupé assembled in limited numbers on a dedicated line at the company’s newly acquired sister firm, ItalDesign, near Milan.

Describing the new two-door as more than just a one-off show car, Stefan Reil, head of development at Audi’s Quattro Gmbh division, confirmed plans for a limited production run were fairly advanced. “We are rethinking standard processes to make it possible,” he said. “We know how to engineer it already.”

Although ItalDesign has no existing assembly operations, the Italian design house has a background in low-volume production, as it was responsible for the assembly of the BMW M1. It is also used regularly by Audi’s parent company, Volkswagen, to construct various concept cars, including the still-born Nardo supercar and Tarek off-roader.

Conceived to embody the rally-bred spirit and technological flair of Audi’s iconic Sport Quattro launched in 1984, the modern-day version is clothed in a uniquely styled aluminium and carbonfibre body. This sits on a modified steel floorpan and four-wheel drive underpinnings from the RS5.

The combination is claimed to provide it with an impressively low 1300kg kerb weight, roughly the same as that of the original Sport Quattro used to homologate Audi’s storming Group B rally cars. Outlining plans for the Quattro’s possible production, Reil said, “We need feedback to see if it is possible. Audi has no heritage in building 200-500 cars that are really exotic. But it won’t be over €100,000 [£86,000].”

Hinting about a technical tie-up with sister firm Lamborghini, whose expertise in carbonfibre is set to play a big role in the Quattro’s lightweight body, Reil told Autocar, “This car and Lamborghini are in the same exotic corner.”

While Audi remains tight-lipped on the Quattro’s longitudinally mounted, turbocharged 2.5-litre five-cylinder engine, Reil suggests it will be tuned beyond the level used in the TT RS. “A really good turbocharged petrol engine has around 140bhp [per litre]. We’re a little under that now. But with a larger turbocharger something around 350bhp is possible.”

The use of a five-pot engine harks back to the Sport Quattro that took on rivals from Peugeot and Lancia at the height of the Group B era. It featured a 2.1-litre turbo in-line five that developed 306bhp in road trim and up to 444bhp in competition guise.

In a move that hinted at a possible return to Pikes Peak, Audi also revealed a scale model of the Quattro Concept. It had a body styled on the Sport Quattro S1 E2, complete with a deep front spoiler, flared wheel arches, towering rear wing and Audi Sport livery.

Greg Kable

Audi to build reborn Quattro - Autocar.co.uk

 

[martinbo]

All indications thus far point to this car being solely the preserve of the properly wealthy - as if they weren't already spoilt for choice. I was hoping this would be something else - something less exotic and more power to the people.

I'm already steeling myself for disappointment. I was naive and over-enthusiastic in my expectations and early analysis of this concept and its potential.

So many questions, one of which is why was I getting the feeling that Audi, in anticipating the launch of the 1M Coupe in Paris, brought this thing along to get it in the minds of buyers that it was a potential counter-offering. Man I was waayyy off.

It's a pity because its compact dimensions and 2.5 litre inline 5 pot points to a lower-tier model than now being suggested. Pity, because I feel the world could do less with a TT-RS and more with a Quattro Sport.

 

[footie]

All indications thus far point to this car being solely the preserve of the properly wealthy - as if they weren't already spoilt for choice. I was hoping this would be something else - something less exotic and more power to the people.

I'm already steeling myself for disappointment. I was naive and over-enthusiastic in my expectations and early analysis of this concept and its potential.

Very over-enthusiastic to have thought it would have been much less the this figure, after all the performance potential will be well beyond that of the RS5 and M3, so to expect it at close to they money would be too much to wish for. I personally reckon the finished figure at today's money would fall a bit short of £86k, more like between £75-80k which would place it in line with the Porsche 997C2/4S.

No doubt an expensive car but still open to much more people than what it's rivals have valued their specials, so at least Audi are listening to the public which is a very good sign of things to come.

So many questions, one of which is why was I getting the feeling that Audi, in anticipating the launch of the 1M Coupe in Paris, brought this thing along to get it in the minds of buyers that it was a potential counter-offering. Man I was waayyy off.

It's a pity because its compact dimensions and 2.5 litre inline 5 pot points to a lower-tier model than now being suggested. Pity, because I feel the world could do less with a TT-RS and more with a Quattro Sport.

The 1M will be (I think) a breath of fresh air to what has become the usual for M cars, it will appeal to a much more youthful enthusiast, it will give 'in your face' performance right from the touch of the throttle which has been a criticism of the M3. But don't rule out the RS3 just yet, Audi are taking this car very serious and talk is that it will be an exciting drive with less understeer than most would expect an AWD car to have. Plus it has one major advantage over the 1M, it's got an engine note to die for and will be offered with DSG.

 

[Centurion]

We should be careful about wetting our panties too quickly. The most plausable reincarnation of this concept I forsee is as a watered down version of itself badged Audi A3 Coupe.

 

[footie]

We should be careful about wetting our panties too quickly. The most plausable reincarnation of this concept I forsee is as a watered down version of itself badged Audi A3 Coupe.

In looks ..... yes, I think there will be a lot of similarities, but in technology ..... no, I don't believe the A3 Coupe will retain much of what we see here.

P.S.
The more that is revealed about the 1M the more I am liking.

 

[Centurion]

In looks ..... yes, I think there will be a lot of similarities, but in technology ..... no, I don't believe the A3 Coupe will retain much of what we see here.

P.S.
The more that is revealed about the 1M the more I am liking.

Indeed, the technology is too expensive and sophisticated for a prospective A3 coupe, but the engine is a plausable powerplant for the next TT-RS. The use of Aluminum will inevitably trickle down the range -- the RS-models especially could benefit from weight loss. CF on the other hand qould require the industry to increase the production of the material to make it more economical to use in passanger cars. Unlike metal or aluminum it cannot be knocked back to shape, making it very expensive to replace. Feast your eyes on the price tag of this SLR CF bumper:

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