Quattro/S2 Audi Quattro Concept

[footie]

Sunny's comments might be polemic, and I'd understand if you disagreed with them. Nonetheless, your trying to digress yet another topic into an M3 vs Audi ... is quite annoying. Let it go, finally.


Best regards,
south

With every thread that relates to an Audi product there will always be a reference to their competitors, likewise the same will be true for Porsche, Mercedes and even BMW, surely you can understand this to be true. Sunny simply likes to stir the pot with comments relating to how poorly Audi do things, he's comment did needed to be addressed in my opinion.

So lets break this down shall we.

If it ends up weighing same as TT RS or close why even bother?

This comment almost makes the claim that the TT-RS isn't that great which we all know isn't true, it's proven itself (against the competition) to be extremely quick in both acceleration and on the track. I chose to refer to the M3 because their lap times are very similar and he revere the M3 as we all know.

It will be just a re-bodied TTRS with little more power and even worse dynamics cause of a long engine hanging longitudinally in front of the front axis.

Next this section of the post. Worse dynamics, another remark to stir the pot because he likes to claim that Audi's methods are somehow inferior and their longitudinally mounted engine philosophy is their worse design of all. Again the evidence speaks otherwise and as this concept was based on the RS5 then how to explain this in a way sunny would understand, again I make the direct comparison with the M3 (the RS5's main rival) to show that it is an impressive machine and weight is the only thing holding it back from greatness.

If they really wanna do it right put the engine in the middle like the etron concept or don't bother.

Finally this remark, everyone knows why this car was built, it was to celebrate the original Sport Quattro so how could it possibly be built mid-engined. Again I chose BMW for no other reason than the lengthy debate we all have been discussing about whether the 1M should have in fact been namely M1 like the original supercar that started the whole thing.

Please explain how you would answer these without making reference to the competition?

South I think at the moment you are seeing problems where there are none. I am not trying to stir anything with the above comments, only trying to explain it in a way he would relate to. Now if you have another method then I am all ears.


P.S.
BTW, you openly admit that sunny's comments are there to cause arguments and yet he is still able to post on a competitor's section of the forum, does seem that double standards are at work don't you think.

 

[south]

With every thread that relates to an Audi product there will always be a reference to their competitors, likewise the same will be true for Porsche, Mercedes and even BMW, surely you can understand this to be true.

This is true to some extent. There's a difference between the casual discussion of possible competitors and discussing the same cars and pitting them against each other again and again.

P.S.
BTW, you openly admit that sunny's comments are there to cause arguments and yet he is still able to post on a competitor's section of the forum, does seem that double standards are at work don't you think.

Please feel free to use the report button if you take offense with any comment from any member. You can rest assured that we're discussing every post that gets reported as well as any post that we consider to be problematic ourselves. Both your and Sunny's post might be grounds for a discussion among the mod team. For this reason, I won't go into any more detail about this, but let you both know via PM should we decide to take further action.

Now back to the Sport Quattro.


Best regards,
south

 

[Sunny]

You reckoned that unless Audi put the engine in the middle the thing would be a bad performer

Show me one place I said it would be bad performer. I said it wouldn't perform any better than a TT RS with same power and some weight saving and probably even worse cause of worse weight distribution. How does any of that mean the car would be a "bad performer"?

simply because hanging the engine out the front would give it a less than ideal weight balance (your words) that would mean a shit Audi as always.

Again show me one place I said it would be "shit Audi" or anything to that effect. I just said it wouldn't be better than TT RS with the worse weight balance. If you construe that as meaning "shit Audi", I can't help it.

If it ends up weighing same as TT RS or close why even bother?

This comment almost makes the claim that the TT-RS isn't that

Lol, seriously, "almost"?
And no it doesn't mean that. It means exactly what I stated and you interpret it as an insult and go on a tirade, I can't help it.

I don't know what kind of complex you suffer from, but you interpret anything and everything I say about Audis as some sort of personal slight and drag M3 into it as if to hit back at me. I can assure it doesn't work that way, they are just freaking cars to me.

 

[Centurion]

Is this concept anyhow an indication how the next generation A3 will look like? Will there be an A3 coupe also available this time? Perhaps this car shows the next A3 coupe after all.

It's not a secret that both MB and Audi are extending their entry level range to rival BMW's increasingly popular 1-series coupe. While the C-coupe is simply a coupe, BMW took the clever route of carving a two door 1-series sedan that evokes nostalgia in BMW 2002 enthusiasts.

The Quattro concept is also a subtle homage to an old classic and could play the role of being the A3 Coupe sans all futuristic lights and some minor details. Given that VAG have already showed off an entry level two seater VW, the VW Compact Coupe Concept. It could suitably, in true VAG spirit, serve as a donor car for the A3 Coupe.

 

[footie]

This is true to some extent. There's a difference between the casual discussion of possible competitors and discussing the same cars and pitting them against each other again and again.

The funny thing is that reviewers test the Audi RS models against BMW M models on almost a daily basis when each have a new version released, the fact is that the two brands can't be separated easily. Now I doubt anyone would have batted an eyelid if I had chose to relate my comments above were towards a Fiat Bravo or Ford Mondeo but the fact is that neither of these are rivals to the cars in question and can't be used in context. But I would love someone if not you to explain how you can debate the merits of any car without comparing it to a benchmark which is almost always a close rival and after all the M3 is the yardstick which all of these are compared.

Please feel free to use the report button if you take offense with any comment from any member. You can rest assured that we're discussing every post that gets reported as well as any post that we consider to be problematic ourselves. Both your and Sunny's post might be grounds for a discussion among the mod team. For this reason, I won't go into any more detail about this, but let you both know via PM should we decide to take further action.

Now back to the Sport Quattro.


Best regards,
south

Sure discussion move away from the subject matter from time to time but they almost always get back on track again. On this occasion the comments from Sunny were relating to the subject in hand and there were only four posts discussing those original comments, hardly a reason to step in do you think. So I seldom report a post unless it's personal and I try to refrain from making those kind of comments myself so I don't see why anyone should be stopped from posting on any section unless they stoop to such remarks don't you think.

I just ask for fairness and every member treated in the same manner, if you or anyone has a problem with me personally or my style of posting then PM me, I am always approachable and will listen to what has to be said and will take those comments onboard.

 

[footie]

It's not a secret that both MB and Audi are extending their entry level range to rival BMW's increasingly popular 1-series coupe. While the C-coupe is simply a coupe, BMW took the clever route of carving a two door 1-series sedan that evokes nostalgia in BMW 2002 enthusiasts.

No manufacturer has continued to reinvent the car than BMW, so you are quite right that both Merc and Audi are playing catchup. Which is understandable because neither of them are as successful at understanding what works and what doesn't, the R-class hasn't been a roaring success and Audi haven't ventured to truly unique markets to know whether they have the same gift as BMW or not.

The Quattro concept is also a subtle homage to an old classic and could play the role of being the A3 Coupe sans all futuristic lights and some minor details. Given that VAG have already showed off an entry level two seater VW, the VW Compact Coupe Concept. It could suitably, in true VAG spirit, serve as a donor car for the A3 Coupe.

There is no doubt that styling points in both the Quattro concept and the Spyder which will be seen in future models. And Porsche in the fold it will allow more chassis sharing towards more unique and potentially pricier models.

 

[martinbo]

Anything more on this very exciting concept? Any pics of engine bay / drivetrain layout?

Loving this concept. For me, together with Lotus and Jaguar, one of the more pleasant surprises of the Paris show.

What happened to Jarod a.k.a. The Pretender? What's his take on this? What's the likelihood for production - are we any closer to a proper indication from Audi? Look, I know it's early days still but you know what they say about the iron being hot?

 

[donkeykong]

There is no doubt that styling points in both the Quattro concept and the Spyder which will be seen in future models. And Porsche in the fold it will allow more chassis sharing towards more unique and potentially pricier models.

Is'nt that point of showing concepts,a way to convey design cues in future models,take a look at the front air intakes on R8 V12 TDI Concept, is'nt there a similar look being used in current RS models?

 

[martinbo]

Is'nt that point of showing concepts,a way to convey design cues in future models,take a look at the front air intakes on R8 V12 TDI Concept, is'nt there a similar look being used in current RS models?

I could care less for the design cues. What I'm interested in is the plausibility of the concept - to a lesser or greater extent - becoming an end-product. This means I'm interested in the potential for the inline 5 and longitudinal drivetrain layout seeing the light of day. It's that architecture that will have me interested in the product - far more so than some "design cues".

Audi have a lot going for themselves, technologically speaking, when it comes to turning this concept into a genuinely good product: the inline 5 is short and light and very powerful, the new asymmetrical quattro layout places the front axle closer to the engine and the new centre differential combined with a torque vectoring rear diff can combine to make this a truly exciting road-rally monster evoking the emotions associated with wonderful cars like the Delta Integrale, EVOs, Impreza P1 and, of course, the seminal Ur-Quattro.

 

[Tumbo]

Anything more on this very exciting concept? Any pics of engine bay / drivetrain layout?

Loving this concept. For me, together with Lotus and Jaguar, one of the more pleasant surprises of the Paris show.

What happened to Jarod a.k.a. The Pretender? What's his take on this? What's the likelihood for production - are we any closer to a proper indication from Audi? Look, I know it's early days still but you know what they say about the iron being hot?

Here is some more info, but still no engine bay pics.
Paris 2010: Audi quattro concept

Loving this sooo much!

 

[footie]

The 2.5TFSI will be seen in longitudinal layout, this is something I do know is happening, Audi are downsizing, not only in engine capacity but in weight as well.

 

[Padi]

Wow! Haven't seen this thread before. My first thought when I saw these pictures was that it was a ugly car with a cool bodykit and interior, but when I kept scrolling the page down I realized I kept liking the car more and more and now I f..kin love that car Much better than the E-tron.

 

[Iamnotme]

(...)wonderful cars like the Delta Integrale, EVOs, Impreza P1 and, of course, the seminal Ur-Quattro.

And don't forget the Sport Quattro.

After all, the Quattro Concept is much more closer to the filosophy of the Sport Quattro than the Quattro itself.

 

[Guibo]

Evo Magazine

"Audi's fantastic homage to the Ur-Quattro with 400bhp should make it to production

30 years after it unveiled the original Quattro at the Geneva Motor Show, Audi has taken the wraps off this fantastic ‘quattro Concept’ (little ‘q’ according to the press pack).
It is based on the RS5, but has a 150mm shorter wheelbase and a 40mm lower roofline. The RS5’s V8 has also been ditched for an uprated version of the TT RS’s turbocharged five cylinder, which we know provides a wonderfully authentic soundtrack. The latest iteration of quattro four-wheel drive system with a crown gear centre differential is obviously present and it’s combined with the excellent sport differential first seen on the current S4 and a six-speed manual gearbox.
The body is mostly made from aluminium, but the bonnet and boot are made from carbonfibre which helps keep the weight down to an impressive 1300kg (some 150kg lighter than a TT RS). Combine this kerb weight with the massaged engine producing 402bhp between 5,400 and 6,500rpm, and 354lb ft of torque from 1,600 to 5,300rpm, and you have a car capable of sprinting from 0-62mph in 3.9 seconds. Braking is by six piston callipers on carbon ceramic discs.
Highlights of the Col de Turini white exterior include extremely muscular C-pillars that hark back to the Ur-Quattro and 20in centre-locking wheels that don’t hark back to the Ur-Quattro. Inside the two seater there are lightweight bucket seats, which weigh 18kg each. The MMI also has a rather unique function – in Race mode it will, apparently, display co-driver style pace notes about the route ahead…
Although only a concept, an Audi Spokesman said that he thought it extremely likely that there would be a limited production run in the vein of the R8 GT. We absolutely can’t wait."

Audi quattro Concept | 2010 Paris motor show | evo


I can imagine that reaction to the car as the show progressed may affect Audi's production considerations.

 

[footie]

The is how many will be built? The original had only 200 example but I hope Audi build more than that, if they don't then it will be very expensive indeed, probably GTS money but if they knock out a 1000 then a figure of one and a half times the RS5 might be on the cards, though this will be the least likely of the two options in my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

I am quite confident that the design of the Quattro Concept can be considered a precursor for future Audi coupes and convertibles/roadsters. This car may be a relatively accurate preview of the current TTs' successor as well as, in somewhat larger form, the successor to the A5 line due for MY 2013 introduction.

 

[martinbo]

CardDesignNews' opinion on the Audi Quattro Concept: Paris Motor Show 2010 - Car Design News

Audi Quattro concept

With the 1980s coursing so strongly through the veins of popular culture, it's hardly surprising that on-trend manufacturers are mining their archives for material to feed the zeitgeist. And who better than Audi, manufacturer of arguably the most iconic car of the 80's – the Quattro – to herald what is sure to be a slew of concepts. Or is it a case of who's worse?

In the Quattro concept, we find Audi revisiting the most extreme road-going iteration of its icon using an MLP platform shortened by 115mm over the A5 coupe to underscore a proportion that is brutally aggressive. As with the original, the shortened wheelbase and Kamm tail – combined with Audi's trademark long front overhang – contribute to a slightly unsettling stance, not helped by the addition of yet more visual weight to an already heaving DRG. And it has to be said, the addition of 'fangs' beneath the lamps takes Audi's visual aggression to an almost farcical level.

In profile, the short wheelbase again plays a cruel hand, compressing a beltline – already more heavily worked than on the A5 – to the point that it almost breaks at its inflection points. Contributing to this sense of brittleness is the relentless harshness of the DLO graphic. Standing back to drink the car in, it's remarkable that – despite the relatively sensual surfacing – it lacks the subtlety and elegance of the original, boxed arches and all.

The interior is, for us, far more successful. There are delightful references to the 80s original, with its digital gauge pack and cluster-mounted secondary controls – here updated to make use of the latest HMI technology. Audi's now-signature swooping door card graphic is rendered beautifully in raw carbon fiber and buttery soft caramel leather, while the gearshift, oddly priapic in this age of wheel-mounted paddles, evokes a wonderful air of forest stage chic.

Ultimately, however, we weren't bought by Audi's usual – and incredible – attention to detail. We can't recall a time where Audi ever did retro; it was a brand so focused on the future that Audi redux was never given a second thought. For a company that brought us not only the Sport Quattro, but also the NSU Ro80 and the '82 100, this car, with its retro play and more-of-the-same styling, makes us wonder just where Ingolstadt's spirit of innovation has gone.

Cynical, retroactive exercise by Audi or a genuinely appealing concept for the driving enthusiast? You decide...

 

[footie]

VAG CEO Martin Winterkorn talks to Autocar about a production version of the Quatto Concept.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/253035/

Volkswagen Group CEO Martin Winterkorn has told Autocar he wants the firm "to do" the Quattro, with the possibility of it entering production within three years. He said the cost of putting a new body on an existing platform was between 400-500 million euro and this money would be recouped by either high volume or high prices. If it makes production, Winterkorn expects a combination of both strategies in making and selling the car: around 30-35,000 Quattro units would be made per year with a "solid price" tag.

The possibility of having 30-35000 units over the next three years would be incredible and would mean that it wouldn't be near M3 GTS money.
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Martinbo, it appears that they have heard your wishes will oblige.

 

[donkeykong]

Now while all the other auto journos were too busy running from each vehicle launch, there was Agent001 catching the nitty gritty.


Sometimes its the little details that matter and forecast the future. ONLY the Spies know that.

As we've begun to see in some contemporary autos, there has been a movement towards digital instrument clusters. But, we have yet to see one like this.

The features a unit that moves the MMI information from the center of the dashboard into the driver's field of vision, next to the tachometer. This way, a driver can cycle through the functions without having to take their eyes off the road -- it only takes a glance.

Where things get cool is how the system can display MMI functions -- navigation, phone, media, vehicle settings/status -- AND racing mode that features a nifty "prayer book," which is essentially an outline of a course or track.

Three things 00R finds interesting:

1) Note that contacts have a picture and appear to move as if you're flipping through an iPod's album covers
2) Note that there is a option with your contacts -- what does this mean, exactly?
3) Note the integration of social media when the car gives you the ability to "Like" media


An excerpt from Audi's press release follows:

The classic driver orientation (“wrap-around architecture” in the designer jargon) of the cockpit is typical Audi. The control unit for the MMI touch system and the shift lever for the six-speed are located on the extremely slender center console.

The instrument cluster is completely digital. The large, three-dimensional visor-like display contains all of the information required by the driver and thus also replaces the classic MMI central display. The clear graphics, the stark black-and-white contrast and the subtle red highlights are precise and modernly interpreted – an indicator instrument for a driving machine, with no superfluous touches. The driver has the choice between an everyday mode, which combines the indication of the speed and ] revs with the content of the MMI, and racing mode, whose graphics revisit and refine the digital instrument of the Ur-quattro from the 1980s.

The driver will find another reminder of the Ur-quattro's cockpit on the sides of the cockpit cowl: On both the right and left sides are four flat buttons. The ones on the left control the stopwatch function in racing mode, and the ones on the right are for the menu of the MMI system.

Infotainment
Entertainment is offered not just , but also in the form of digital media. A customizable web radio can use the driver’s cellular phone to connect to digital radio stations all over the world, if desired, for a sheer endless array of genres and musical styles. Playback of the driver’s own files and playlists is also supported.

Communication also benefits from access to corresponding online services. Whether the online or the driver’s own cellular phone, the MMI combines all data into a single view. Contacts are always available wherever the user happens to be.

To pay proper respect to the Ur-quattro as the winner of numerous rally world championships, a so-called “prayer book” – the classic rally copilot's track description – can be displayed in racing mode. It provides precise information about the route ahead for an authentic rally feeling – even if a copilot is not available....

 

[Osnabrueck]

Cynical, retroactive exercise by Audi or a genuinely appealing concept for the driving enthusiast? You decide...

The enthusiast community has been collectively enthralled by this concept so definitely the latter. We've seen so many marques dip into their venerated history it has become cliche and even expected pursue a retro design direction. But in a very odd way - this turn by Audi is a breath of fresh air... A reinterpretation of 80s PoMo chic... Retro, but as it's never been considered.

It's easy to throw barbs at a concept car - It's not hard for us to imagine that Audi is (hopefully) tipping its hat towards a 'metaclassic' design R4. It would be the perfect way to signal a break from the era of the TT and usher in an entirely new context for Audi design.