Quattro/S2 Audi Quattro Concept

[K-A]

LOL! That picture proves my point totally!

Resemblance to the classic Quattro, and looks like a Kraut Camaro.

 

[Human]

Interesting look. I see some homage to 80's Audi's buried in there, which I like.

On the other hand, I see a nice Mitsubishi or poor man's GTR in the front, and a German-ified Camaro in the sides and mostly rear.

Many different designs in one....confusing

 

[Centurion]

And I present to you the VW version. Buy one in silver and put Audi S5 rims on it and you got yourself a great middle ground between the classic Quattro and the Concept.

 

[footie]

Just got tomorrow's Autobild, and Audi doesn't sound that optimistic about it making it into production. They surely want to make it happen, but see problems with pedestrian safety due to the long and tall engine, and they mention that all crash and emission tests would need to be 'repeated'. Another Audi rep is cited that 'volume, costs and price is an equation with three unknowns.'


Best regards,
south

Considering how little of an increase in actually dimensions the 2.5TFSI is over the 2.0TFSI that already goes under the bonnet of the A4/5 I don't believe that Audi are doing anything other than hedging their bets with regards to this car. If public reaction and input isn't as favourable as they expect it to be then they can claim not to make it on technical grounds but if it's a roaring success with the public you can rest assured that it will make production.

Sure volume, costs and pricing have to be ironed out to see whether it is feasible but this is the same with any car, even BMW originally said no to the GTS only to make a u-turn and give it the go ahead.

 

[Audi69]

Audi please please please make this car!!!

 

[donkeykong]

What's this ?

Those attending the Paris Motor Show may want to give the Audi stand a closer look. There, fans of the brand will find a prototype of the Audi Quattro Concept fit for the races.

Painted in red, white and black as an homage to the early 1980s Audi rally cars, the car has a number of high performance features not seen on the main concept vehicle. Clearly noticeable attributes include the ventilated hood, a massive front lip spoiler, aerodynamic changes around the wheels and polycarbonate racing windows.

A big rear wing was also added, with a German flag design on its sides. It looks as though both cars use the same center-locking 20-inch alloy wheels.

Audi did not say what engine the rally-inspired concept is using. The main concept utilizes a 402-horsepower (300-kW, 408-PS) 2.5-liter turbocharged five-cylinder engine. The unit delivers up to 480 Nm (354 lb-ft) of torque, letting the car accelerate from 0-100 km/h in 3.9 seconds.

If you're heading out to the Paris Motor Show, make sure you snap a few pics of Audi's vision for the near future of racing

Read more: Audi Quattro Concept rally model in Paris

 

[south]

Considering how little of an increase in actually dimensions the 2.5TFSI is over the 2.0TFSI that already goes under the bonnet of the A4/5 I don't believe that Audi are doing anything other than hedging their bets with regards to this car. If public reaction and input isn't as favourable as they expect it to be then they can claim not to make it on technical grounds but if it's a roaring success with the public you can rest assured that it will make production.

The Sport Quattro has a shorter bonnet and a smaller engine bay than the A4/5, so I don't see how the 2.0TFSI fitting makes that guy's point invalid. Also, they wouldn't mention an issue having a direct impact on the car's shape/design just to curb everybody's enthusiasm.

Sure volume, costs and pricing have to be ironed out to see whether it is feasible but this is the same with any car, even BMW originally said no to the GTS only to make a u-turn and give it the go ahead.

It's not any car we're talking about, it's a car made mostly from aluminum and CF weighing 1,300kg. The RS5 and the R8 V8 wouldn't weigh 1,725kg and 1,560kg respectively if it was that easy.


Best regards,
south

 

[footie]

The Sport Quattro has a shorter bonnet and a smaller engine bay than the A4/5, so I don't see how the 2.0TFSI fitting makes that guy's point invalid. Also, they wouldn't mention an issue having a direct impact on the car's shape/design just to curb everybody's enthusiasm.

May I ask whether you believe the car won't make it to production if the public demand is what we expect it to be?

Seriously South, you know how this thing works. A concept is what it is, not an exact replica of what the finished production ready car will finish up like. In this case the bonnet will either rise slightly to accommodate the regulations or a bonnet which rises automatically, such things aren't new.

It's not any car we're talking about, it's a car made mostly from aluminum and CF weighing 1,300kg. The RS5 and the R8 V8 wouldn't weigh 1,725kg and 1,560kg respectively if it was that easy.


Best regards,
south

Now here I do agree, but without doing to much they could have it weighing the same as a TT-RS, probably less in fact. But to drop to 1300kgs would require the entire shell made of CF which I doubt will or would actually happen. But even if it's weight moves up by 75-100kgs it would still be an incredible machine, wickedly fast, very light on it's feet and might just be more of a competitor for the GTR than we think. But unlike the Nissan it would be equipped with an engine note that would stir emotions of standing at a forest rally stage as your favourite Audi S1 rallycar ripped past. Only on this occasion you wouldn't be standing in the cold but doing the actual driving down your favourite back road with the stereo off, just thinking to that engine note rise and fall with each gear change.

Magical.

 

[Sunny]

If it ends up weighing same as TT RS or close why even bother? It will be just a re-bodied TTRS with little more power and even worse dynamics cause of a long engine hanging longitudinally in front of the front axis. As well just make a TT RS+ with same power and some weight saving like thinner glass.

If they really wanna do it right put the engine in the middle like the etron concept or don't bother.

 

[south]

May I ask whether you believe the car won't make it to production if the public demand is what we expect it to be?

'Public demand' is a broad term. Sure, everybody 'wants' this car, but nobody knows its price yet. In other words, they're not able to gauge actual demand until they know the specs and the price, easy as that.

Seriously South, you know how this thing works. A concept is what it is, not an exact replica of what the finished production ready car will finish up like. In this case the bonnet will either rise slightly to accommodate the regulations or a bonnet which rises automatically, such things aren't new.

I don't say there's no solution to this, I was just pointing out that your comment to the effect of Audi making this up to 'hedge their bets' doesn't sound plausible to me.

Now here I do agree, but without doing to much they could have it weighing the same as a TT-RS, probably less in fact. But to drop to 1300kgs would require the entire shell made of CF which I doubt will or would actually happen. But even if it's weight moves up by 75-100kgs it would still be an incredible machine, wickedly fast, very light on it's feet and might just be more of a competitor for the GTR than we think. But unlike the Nissan it would be equipped with an engine note that would stir emotions of standing at a forest rally stage as your favourite Audi S1 rallycar ripped past. Only on this occasion you wouldn't be standing in the cold but doing the actual driving down your favourite back road with the stereo off, just thinking to that engine note rise and fall with each gear change.

Magical.

I'm not into marketing talk. I just hope Audi does it right, or not at all.


Best regards,
south

 

[marley71]

And I present to you the VW version. Buy one in silver and put Audi S5 rims on it and you got yourself a great middle ground between the classic Quattro and the Concept.

Well done, the Corrado is a classic. What is it about VW, why is it that they can make fwd cars that work so well?

 

[south]

More pictures:

[source: Auto Motor Sport]


Best regards,
south

 

[footie]

If it ends up weighing same as TT RS or close why even bother? It will be just a re-bodied TTRS with little more power and even worse dynamics cause of a long engine hanging longitudinally in front of the front axis. As well just make a TT RS+ with same power and some weight saving like thinner glass.

If they really wanna do it right put the engine in the middle like the etron concept or don't bother.

Firstly, if you understand anything about heritage and the whole objective of this car then you would know full well that the engine has to be in the front. Stop being silly, even BMW had enough sense not to call the 1 series M after their only iconic supercar. Heritage matters, anyway why not wait and see if Audi actually make it and if they do then wait and see what the spec ends up to be before claiming it a failure.

In any case the TT-RS has shown itself to be a match for the M3 even with it's fwd beginnings chassis and we all can't deny that had the RS5 matched the M3's weight it would have been miles ahead, so if Audi get anywhere near this kind of weight and give the car the same R8v10 PTW of the concept then it would still be a hell of a car. Remember this concept is also appealing to the greens, it is claiming 33mpg so if Audi want or feel the need to up the power then there is nothing stopping the output reaching as high as 500hp.

Imagine that for a moment ........ 500hp and only weighing 1400kgs.

 

[Sunny]

^I understand that M3 has really marred your psyche, but at least try and stop bleeding in every freaking thread about it.

 

[Guibo]

More pictures:

Nice touch with the helmets & straps.

CF may be replaced with plastic composite in places but it will happen.

That's a good idea, and has been employed in cars like the Elise and Corvette. BMW and others have used plastics in the front fenders of their cars too.

It seems like the use of carbon fiber is actually pretty limited. From the press release:
"The heavily modified body is made primarily of aluminum...
Rather than mostly steel as in the Audi RS 5, the body comprises lightweight aluminum components assembled using Audi Space Frame ASF technology. Extruded sections, die-castings and aluminum sheets form an impact-resistant structure of exceptional strength. The hood and the rear hatch with its integrated, moveable spoiler, plus the bumpers and numerous aerodynamic components are made of even lighter and high-strength carbon."

In that sense, the car shouldn't be that expensive to make IMO. But without some rear seats, it'll be a tough sell with the R8 on the market. Then again, for some people, a mid-engine layout is a deal-breaker. So who knows.

I can see where some further weight can be cut: Alcantara instead of leather for the interior; a fixed rear wing; maybe center-exit exhaust (or side-exit like the Viper, but using muffler flaps for drive-by regs; turbocharged cars are pretty mellow anyway); 18" wheels instead of 20" (which will also help the ride, though may lose some audience because of the visuals).

 

[Dave1984]

Is this concept anyhow an indication how the next generation A3 will look like? Will there be an A3 coupe also available this time? Perhaps this car shows the next A3 coupe after all.

 

[footie]

^I understand that M3 has really marred your psyche, but at least try and stop bleeding in every freaking thread about it.

You reckoned that unless Audi put the engine in the middle the thing would be a bad performer, simply because hanging the engine out the front would give it a less than ideal weight balance (your words) that would mean a shit Audi as always. You also reckoned that it would be no better and possibly be inferior to a TT-RS with similar output. I was only showing that such a thing wouldn't be at all that bad as the TT-RS was almost as good as the M3 with 80hp less along with it's inferior weight balance and that the RS5 would have eclipsed the M3 had it only been as light as the it's rival, another Audi car with much inferior weight balance but unlike the BMW they had a major advantage which is AWD.

This wasn't my getting hang up on my time with the M3, only me trying to explain something in a way you would understand because YOU judge everything on how well it performs against BMW and especially the M3.

 

[Audi69]

It would be interesting to know the percentages of aluminium and CF used for the Quattro Concept. I think this car will be built to showcase the next generation of Audi cars focusing on reduced weight. Everything from the A4 upwards will be made of aluminium space frame soon. Jaguar are committed to it also and aparently their new A4/C-Class/3 Series competitor will be all aluminium. I expect the Quattro Concept to be built in ASF II and plastic composite previously showcased in A5.

I also thought this could be A3 Coupe. Would not be surprised if Audi was playing with some possible design cues for the ne t generation A3. However I thought the A3 design had already been finalised and signed off.

 

[martinbo]

It's as if Audi heard me whinging in another thread somewhere where I asked for the in-line 5 to be coupled with longitudinal quattro. I can't believe they did it.

They have to freakin' make it because, as I sit here, it could very well be the first Audi that I'll own.

I need to see engine bay pics and cut-out drawings to be 110% sure first though. I'm concerned that they won't be able to pull the delightful proportions off in the production car.

I love it. I want it.

Hey Audi! Make it!

 

[south]

This wasn't my getting hang up on my time with the M3, only me trying to explain something in a way you would understand because YOU judge everything on how well it performs against BMW and especially the M3.

Sunny's comments might be polemic, and I'd understand if you disagreed with them. Nonetheless, your trying to digress yet another topic into an M3 vs Audi ... is quite annoying. Let it go, finally.


Best regards,
south