Audi off to Strongest U.S. Sales Start of Any Year in Its History with 26th Consecutive Record-Break

[Merc1]

Desperation and reaching by who? I don't care how many cars any company sells...

Its just the facts using real numbers and basic math. It's all right in front of you. What is funny is your lack of recognition of this. As if Audi growing hurts you personally.

And everything will NOT stay as it is for Audi. Its only getting better. Their growth will actually expedite for reasons I already laid out very clearly and factually for you. New A4/Q5 (volume leaders) and addition of the A3 (big seller) as well as the growth in the operational and distribution structures.

Lets try this then. What makes you think Audi WON'T grow as quickly? What is your fact-based reasoning negating my fact-based reasoning to the contrary?

Your opinion means nothing to anyone but you...

I mean the market staying the same. The U.S. market isn't China and Audi has some serious problems here and just applying "simple math" and assuming that they will double their sales in 4.2 years is just silly IMO.

No personally would like to see Audi do, just don't think that they can.

You're exactly right on opinions, including yours.


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[C4L]

I mean the market staying the same. The U.S. market isn't China and Audi has some serious problems here and just applying "simple math" and assuming that they will double their sales in 4.2 years is just silly IMO.

No personally would like to see Audi do, just don't think that they can.

You're exactly right on opinions, including yours.


M

China has nothing to do with it. What changes in the US market do you think will cause an adverse impact on Audi sales? What changes would make growth worse for Audi? I gave you several factual reasons why it is only going to get better. What do you think is going to make it worse?

I didn't share an opinion. I shared statistics. My opinion is that I agree with facts. Your's is that you don't.

 

[Merc1]

China has nothing to do with it. What changes in the US market do you think will cause an adverse impact on Audi sales? What changes would make growth worse for Audi? I gave you several factual reasons why it is only going to get better. What do you think is going to make it worse?

I didn't share an opinion. I shared statistics. My opinion is that I agree with facts. Your's is that you don't.

Who said China had anything to do it? I said that the U.S. isn't China, meaning that won't be as easy. I didn't say it would get worse. I said Audi has problems to overcome if they want to double their sales and that simply applying past trends and thinking that they will hold to the letter in the future is just silly. Anything can happen in "4.2 years".

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[C4L]

Who said China had anything to do it? I said that the U.S. isn't China, meaning that won't be as easy. I didn't say it would get worse. I said Audi has problems to overcome if they want to double their sales and that simply applying past trends and thinking that they will hold to the letter in the future is just silly. Anything can happen in "4.2 years".

M

What???

"Who said China had anything to do it? I said that the U.S. isn't China, meaning that won't be as easy"

You specifically said China had something to do with Audi's growth in the US. At least in trying to liken their markets... haha

And Audi does have problems. And with those problems they are and have been growing at a pace that would double their sales in 4.2 years. As those problems get resolved, their growth will only expedite. This is very clear and all I saying.

Again, what makes you think it won't or couldn't?

Remember that I never Audi WOULD double their sales. I said they are on pace to and COULD double their sales.
You then, instead of saying the couldn't double their sales, said they wouldn't, when in fact they could and are on pace to do so, with their existing problems, as you say...

I shared a statistical expectation.
You shared a definitive and biased opinion.

Facts, I don't care what you think;
- Audi is currently on pace to double sales in 4.2 years
- Audi is introducing a new entry level model in 6-9 months
- Audi is replacing their two volume leaders in 12-18 months
- Audi is expanding NA operations and distribution networks

What in that makes you think they can't (definitive) double their sales?

 

[Merc1]

What???

"Who said China had anything to do it? I said that the U.S. isn't China, meaning that won't be as easy"

You specifically said China had something to do with Audi's growth in the US. At least in trying to liken their markets... haha

And Audi does have problems. And with those problems they are and have been growing at a pace that would double their sales in 4.2 years. As those problems get resolved, their growth will only expedite. This is very clear and all I saying.

Again, what makes you think it won't or couldn't?

Remember that I never Audi WOULD double their sales. I said they are on pace to and COULD double their sales.
You then, instead of saying the couldn't double their sales, said they wouldn't, when in fact they could and are on pace to do so, with their existing problems, as you say...

I shared a statistical expectation.
You shared a definitive and biased opinion.

Facts, I don't care what you think;
- Audi is currently on pace to double sales in 4.2 years
- Audi is introducing a new entry level model in 6-9 months
- Audi is replacing their two volume leaders in 12-18 months
- Audi is expanding NA operations and distribution networks

What in that makes you think they can't (definitive) double their sales?

Meaning that it won't be as easy here. I don't think they will doubt their sales because they dont' have the dealers, product, nor the image or shopping considering yet from buyers to do that.

Likewise I really don't care what you think either. Your facts can be applied to every automaker in the U.S. everyone is exapanding, Audi is no different from the rest.

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[C4L]

Meaning that it won't be as easy here. I don't think they will doubt their sales because they dont' have the dealers, product, nor the image or shopping considering yet from buyers to do that.

Likewise I really don't care what you think either. Your facts can be applied to every automaker in the U.S. everyone is exapanding, Audi is no different from the rest.

M

Lets address this one at time for you to make it as simply to understand;
- The dealers - Audi is adding dealers continuously.
- The product - They are fixing inventory issues as well as offering new and very competitive products, many ranking among best in class among consumers and in reviews.
- The image - They rate among the best in image in the industry in fact, even among luxury car buyers, not just as a whole.
- The consideration - Their demand exceeds their supply, people are obviously considering them.

Thanks for sharing your opinions that are once again negated by my facts.

Everyone IS expanding but Audi is growing the fastest of any luxury make over the last 5 years. They are also the most improved in many key areas as well.

Only time will tell but you being pessimistic is simply contrary to everything we know in the facts of the matter.

 

[Merc1]

Lets address this one at time for you to make it as simply to understand;
- The dealers - Audi is adding dealers continuously.
- The product - They are fixing inventory issues as well as offering new and very competitive products, many ranking among best in class among consumers and in reviews.
- The image - They rate among the best in image in the industry in fact, even among luxury car buyers, not just as a whole.
- The consideration - Their demand exceeds their supply, people are obviously considering them.

Thanks for sharing your opinions that are once again negated by my facts.

Everyone IS expanding but Audi is growing the fastest of any luxury make over the last 5 years. They are also the most improved in many key areas as well.

Only time will tell but you being pessimistic is simply contrary to everything we know in the facts of the matter.

Great news. None of it being debate though so thanks for the speech.

Me saying that I don't think they can do it is nothing more than just that, a doubt.

Once again your facts have come up short on changing anything because for one the facts you posted were not being debated.

Thanks. They're calling you on LLN for some other blind fanboy shit you posted there TGT.

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[C4L]

Great news. None of it being debate though so thanks for the speech.

Me saying that I don't think they can do it is nothing more than just that, a doubt.

Once again your facts have come up short on changing anything because for one the facts you posted were not being debated.

M

So you doubt Audis ability to not just maintain their current growth but somehow grow slower because they are expanding their dealer network, expanding their supply chain to meet excess demand, introducing new key models in high volume segments, and improving in virtually every possible way?

Really?

You want to talk about 'blind fannoy shit'? hahaha That's rich...

 

[Tumbo]

I gotta tell you Marcus, you are being stripped off here. I agree with C4L fully. Your points dont seem to have facts. It's more personal opinions.

 

[Merc1]

I gotta tell you Marcus, you are being stripped off here. I agree with C4L fully. You're points dont seem to have facts. It's more personal opinions.

Tumbo with all due respect, I doubt you hardly grasp what is being said here. I simply stated that I don't think can double sales in 4.2 years, thats all. Never debated anything else. Yes the trend says that they can, but I don't believe it. It is really just that simple. I know you're an Audi fanatic and if I disagree with an Audi nut I'm just wrong. I get that. Never gave anything other than an opinion to begin with, yet some fool from LLN is here to make me change my opinion and you co-sign with that.

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[C4L]

I simply stated that I don't think can double sales in 4.2 years, thats all. Yes the trend says that they can, but I don't believe it. It is really just that simple.
M

If all known past, present, and future data and information indicates otherwise, what makes you say that?
What makes you believe they can't double sales in 4-5 years or less?

I am honestly not attacking you but just trying to understand how your can remain firm on your position even in the face of reality, which you acknowledged?

 

[Merc1]

If all known past, present, and future data and information indicates otherwise, what makes you say that?
What don't you 'believe' in this case?

I am honestly not attacking you but just trying to understanding how your can remain on your position even in the face of reality, which you acknowledged? Just being stubborn?

Because simly going from what 140-150K sales to 280-300k sales is just not that easy IMO. Nothing more. I don't have anything against Audi. I quite like their cars actually, but such growth is going to take a massive effort and if the did that someone else is going to lose out and everyone is gunning now to increase sales every which way possible.

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[C4L]

Because simly going from what 140-150K sales to 280-300k sales is just not that easy IMO. Nothing more. I don't have anything against Audi. I quite like their cars actually, but such growth is going to take a massive effort and if the did that someone else is going to lose out and everyone is gunning now to increase sales every which way possible.

M

That makes sense but you are arguing theory, when we have actual practice to go by. There are plenty of high volume company's that sustain and increase growth. Based on what we know about Audi you have to agree that their growth SHOULD only expedite in the US. We have no reason to believe it won't.

 

[Merc1]

That makes sense but you are arguing theory, when we have actual practice to go by. There are plenty of high volume company's that sustain and increase growth. Based on what we know about Audi you have to agree that their growth SHOULD only expedite in the US. We have no reason to believe it won't.

Never said that they wouldn't grow, I merely said that I doubt they will double in 4 years. You're trying to change my opinion with stats and that is where you're going to just fail. You see it one way I see it another. You can't change that. Doubling sales in 4 years and 2 months, I don't see happening. You see differently, we agree to disagree.

M

 

[C4L]

Never said that they wouldn't grow, I merely said that I doubt they will double in 4 years. You're trying to change my opinion with stats and that is where you're going to just fail. You see it one way I see it another. You can't change that. Doubling sales in 4 years and 2 months, I don't see happening. You see differently, we agree to disagree.

M

I am not trying to change your opinion but rather equipping you with information that disproves your opinion. Whether you change it or not is up to you so long as you know it is unsupported.

I see it the way it is. You see it the way you want to.

 

[Merc1]

I am not trying to change your opinion but rather equipping you with information that disproves your opinion. Whether you change it or not is up to you so long as you know it is unsupported.

I see it the way it is. You see it the way you want to.

No you blindly believe that reality can be smoothed over or that the future can be seen/proven with statistics.

M

 

[C4L]

No you blindly believe that reality can be smoothed over with statistics.

M

Not true. I would argue I see the most clear given my level of knowledge/information/understanding of these concepts and I ONLY believe what can be proven. I don't hold beliefs that are untrue like you do. If my beliefs disagree with proven truths, I discredit/question my beliefs, not the truth. You do the opposite. If the proven truth disagrees with your beliefs, you discredit/question the truth, not your beliefs.

You, instead, blindly believe whatever you want and make up as you go so long as it is easy and convenient for you. I think that is a bigger problem personally.

So what we have here in this case is;

- I believe that Audi will double their sales in 4.2 years or less based on past/current growth and future knowledge surrounding changes to their US operations and product offerings.

- You believe that Audi will not double their sales in 4.2 years or less based on ???

I see it the way it is. Using past, present, and future REAL information and data.
You see it the way you want to. Using nothing more the unsupported beliefs/opinions.

I am not even trying to attack you. This is how this reads...

 

[Merc1]

Not true. I would argue I see the most clear given my level of knowledge/information/understanding of these concepts and I ONLY believe what can be proven. I don't hold beliefs that are untrue like you do. If my beliefs disagree with proven truths, I discredit/question my beliefs, not the truth. You do the opposite. If the proven truth disagrees with your beliefs, you discredit/question the truth, not your beliefs.

You, instead, blindly believe whatever you want and make up as you go so long as it is easy and convenient for you. I think that is a bigger problem personally.

So what we have here in this case is;

- I believe that Audi will double their sales in 4.2 years or less based on past/current growth and future knowledge surrounding changes to their US operations and product offerings.

- You believe that Audi will not double their sales in 4.2 years or less based on ???

I see it the way it is. Using past, present, and future REAL information and data.
You see it the way you want to. Using nothing more the unsupported beliefs/opinions.

I am not even trying to attack you. This is how this reads...

I gave the reasons why I said what I said, twice now. Not my fault you can't grasp it. It really isn't that serious.

You believe what you want, as will I. You can't change it either way.

Doubling sales in 4.2 years is your belief based on past trends yes, but it just as flawed if you think nothing else can happen or impead that.

You're so caught up on facts you can't see the forrest for trees, as no one is disagreeing about what Audi has done in the past. Just saying that doesn't mean the same trajectory will hold true for the next 4 years. To blindly believe that is just dumb imo. There are so many other variables there, yet you're going to prove to me what will happen in the future. Man please.

M

 

[C4L]

I gave the reasons why I said what I said, twice now. Not my fault you can't grasp it. It really isn't that serious.

You believe what you want, as will I. You can't change it either way.

Doubling sales in 4.2 years is your belief based on past trends yes, but it just as flawed if you think nothing else can happen or impead that.

You're so caught up on facts you can't see the forrest for tress, as no one is disagreeing about what Audi has done in the past. Just saying that doesn't mean the same trajectory will hold true for the next 4 years. To blindly believe that is just dumb imo. There are so many other variables there, yet you're going to prove to me what will happen in the future. Man please.

M

You gave one theory based reason which was that growing from 130k-140k is harder than growing form 280k-300k. Which can be proven wrong with tons of real sales data from other brands...

You are the one here sharing your blind opinion with nothing to support it. In fact, the supporting evidence disproves your blind opinion.

How am I being blind?

I not only looked at their past/current performance but also broke down their future changes in product offerings, dealership levels, and changes in supply/inventory/distribution networks. This is about as clear (not blind) as an outlook as anyone can have.

Are you really just this stubborn?

 

[Merc1]

You gave one theory based reason which was that growing from 130k-140k is harder than growing form 280k-300k. Which can be proven wrong with tons of real sales data from other brands...

You are the one here sharing your blind opinion with nothing to support it. In fact, the supporting evidence disproves your blind opinion.

How am I being blind?

I not only looked at their past/current performance but also broke down their future changes in product offerings, dealership levels, and changes in supply/inventory/distribution networks. This is about as clear (not blind) as an outlook as anyone can have.

Are you really just this stubborn?

Are you really that hard up about being right? I simply said I don't think they can do it. Period. I don't have to really explain anything to you. I gave my reasons why, if that doesn't suffice for you then so be it. You can't prove that will do it, just like I can't prove they can't. Trends are just that trends.


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