A1/S1 Audi A1 Sportback concept: pics & info

[klier]

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But this isn't a production car so in what way are they ahead?

In fact, hang on a sec, Luw what's this you say about "full hybrid"? What's a full hybrid as opposed to... what, a partial hybrid? I don't understand.

LOL. Hybrid is always a combo of two, I get it

 

[EnI]

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In fact, hang on a sec, Luw what's this you say about "full hybrid"? What's a full hybrid as opposed to... what, a partial hybrid? I don't understand.

In full hybrid the car can also run on electro-motor alone, while in mild-hybrid (aka soft-hybrid) the electro-motor is a part of gearbox, and just provides the drive an extra torque when setting off or when accelerating - so combustion engine can save some fuel. Of course in full-hybrid the car can also run on combustion engine alone, or electro-motor helps at accelerating.

Since the nature of mild-hybrid the electromotor has less power (kW), and therefore the battery is smaller & lighter.

 

[bmer]

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IMO it looks somewhat funny but that is due to the weird proportions that many other small cars also suffer from. Nevertheless I like the new evolutionary grille.

 

[Zafiro]

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Cause the Beemer-fans mods want their X1 Concept on the first GCF page, and no Audi tehre no

What are you talking about?`??
I see A1, X1 and new Lamborghini on the main page.

 

[Centurion]

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Due to Skoda, VW & Seat economy brands VAG is able to perform economy of scale ... Just like eg. Toyota. The premium PAH / VAG brands like Audi, Porsche, Bentley etc. will definitely profit from that fact. Especially Audi which wll benefit from VW's small hybrid cars.

On the other hand MB & BMW just HAVE TO offer hybrid solutions in top-end cars first. To make higher profits. IMO both MB & BMW just HAVE TO cooperte with some high-volume carmaker on small car hybrids. To gain economy of scale benefits.

Also: IMO small car hybrids are far from being profitable. More or less the loss is covered by marketing benefits (see: Toyota case). So, small hybrid Audi or VW can work well as a Concept, but the question is when will such cars hit the roads (and make money). Porsche will definitely allow VW to make substantial loss with small hybrids.

Yet I predict MB & BMW will lead Porsche / VW / Audi in the big-car hybrid field, while VAG will definitely have a significant advantage in the small car hybrid segment - due the reasons described above.

You said it yourself, economic of scale. VAG manufacturing an electric hybrid system will install it in a wide range of cars across the entire concern and have spread the R&D costs. Very similar to what Toyota has done offering 4 hybrid(LS, GS, Prius and RX).

I do agree that MB and BMW have to form some sort of alliance or out source their hybrid technologies to some company that can supply to both of them.

The entire point of hybrids is to lower consumption and in that way cut down on fuel costs. So ask yourself this: Who is lower fuel consumption most relevant to an accounting assistant earning €40 000 per year driving a Audi 1.8 or an executive with an annual income of €260 000 who has a fully loaded S400 Hybrid on order?

Regardless of how innovative the S400 and the F01 hybrid are they are NOT fuel efficient car. No one who cares about fuel consumption would buy a car of that size with such an engine in the first place. People who don't life with excessive amount of disposable income buy small cars with engines of max 2.5L. Finally a hybrid concept that makes sense. This is the epitome of a fuel efficient car, a small four door hatch with a full hybrid engine. Like I've said in the past an SUV or S-class hybrid is like a Big Mac meal that come with a Diet Coke. The meal is less unhealthy but nonetheless miles away from healthy.

Can it be profitable? You can bet your ass it can. Just look at how many Golfs, Mini Coopers, A-classes and Honda Civics are sold. Stuff a hybrid under the bonnet of either and people would flock. In VAGs case it's even more interesting since there are about 4-5 cars in the concern that can make use of this engine.

 

[Tumbo]

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What are you talking about?`??
I see A1, X1 and new Lamborghini on the main page.

Man..you are late to this thread...that's why.

 

[Tarek]

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Love the front but not sure about the rear and the int is just off the hook

 

[Amo]

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Ah, now that looks very nice in my opinion. Front looks nice, and the wheels - sort of spider like - they match the vents in the interior. That was refreshing to see after my first look at the X1 concept.... My eyes feel better now

 

[Centurion]

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Gorgeous light work:

 

[Jdt90]

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Mad!! So bold so desirable. The performance and the fuel economy is absolute unreal. Let's hope they won't give a washed down production version.

Interesting rear end design:

Ummm...I personally do not see a relationship here. Someone care to help?

 

[VroomVroom]

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Rear lights a veryyyy nice! Kinda like the Previous 2002 A3 rear light! But it would be a bitch to replace the glass over the light if cracked

 

[warot]

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You said it yourself, economic of scale. VAG manufacturing an electric hybrid system will install it in a wide range of cars across the entire concern and have spread the R&D costs. Very similar to what Toyota has done offering 4 hybrid(LS, GS, Prius and RX).

I do agree that MB and BMW have to form some sort of alliance or out source their hybrid technologies to some company that can supply to both of them.

The entire point of hybrids is to lower consumption and in that way cut down on fuel costs. So ask yourself this: Who is lower fuel consumption most relevant to an accounting assistant earning €40 000 per year driving a Audi 1.8 or an executive with an annual income of €260 000 who has a fully loaded S400 Hybrid on order?

Regardless of how innovative the S400 and the F01 hybrid are they are NOT fuel efficient car. No one who cares about fuel consumption would buy a car of that size with such an engine in the first place. People who don't life with excessive amount of disposable income buy small cars with engines of max 2.5L. Finally a hybrid concept that makes sense. This is the epitome of a fuel efficient car, a small four door hatch with a full hybrid engine. Like I've said in the past an SUV or S-class hybrid is like a Big Mac meal that come with a Diet Coke. The meal is less unhealthy but nonetheless miles away from healthy.

Can it be profitable? You can bet your ass it can. Just look at how many Golfs, Mini Coopers, A-classes and Honda Civics are sold. Stuff a hybrid under the bonnet of either and people would flock. In VAGs case it's even more interesting since there are about 4-5 cars in the concern that can make use of this engine.

I agree with you here. Which is why I think the Mini electric can't come soon enough. These are the kind of cars that can set trends and actually make money.

However on a good note, I can say that Hybrid technology is not that hard to spread across the range. I don't know what information is out there about the X6 Hybrid specifically, so I probably should shut up and not reveal anything. But like I said, the technology can spread for every car.

 

[SDNR]

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Does every vehicle these days have to be styled to look like it has been in a collision?

I want Audi to remain clean and smooth -- there is far too much visual pollution today -- I am tired of being bombarded with unnecessary sensory complexity -- it gives me a headache.

 

[phaeton]

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I don't like this version; the red one was better

 

[Tumbo]

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More new pics:

 

[7saen]

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OMG! I'm I seeing that right????

They are finally moving away from trapezoid-shaped single grille, to hexagonal-shaped single grille.

Yeah I was waiting for that step for agaes now.. the finally did it

cool little car, but doesn' have the charme and timeless feeling of a new Mini, nor the coolness that's conntected to its name.

 

[Tumbo]

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cool little car, but doesn' have the charme and timeless feeling of a new Mini, nor the coolness that's conntected to its name.

I say it does. A mini looks very boring and dated, next to this little fella.
Bring this on quickly, Audi!!!

 

[Deleted member 25]

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So their new mini killer will be a traditional 5 doors car like this or a 3 door car like the original A1 concept ?

 

[warot]

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If people thought the 1er's rear legroom was useless, this might shock them even more:



While obviously these seats probably won't make it, the rear space is still a bit of a concern.

In terms of this being a Mini killer, like Hussein said, it doesn't have the charm of the Mini and definitely won't have a cult like the Mini's, but it's a good shot from Audi though.

 

[bmwownage]

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If this drives better or as good the Mini, I think i would prefer this.. Mini's interior is just too unusual for my like, even the exterior actually This is probably the only Audi i would prefer over BMW.

and geez.. they are really going crazy with all those lightings!