Apple Car - Rumors & Speculations


Apple has hired some of the best talent in the auto industry over the past year, yet despite its deep pockets, many have come and gone. Despite having $200 Billion in cash, Apple is realizing how difficult it is start a car company. This only makes Tesla's accomplishments with far fewer resources even more impressive.

I have a strong feeling that this deal might go through. $2Billion for Mclaren is pocket change for Apple and the Ethos behind Mclaren's corporate culture is very similar to that of Apple's.
 
Mclaren has little that's of use for Apple in taking leaps towards a self driving car. Mclaren have low production capacity, doesn't manufacture own engines and don't have an electric car on the market. Hell, Mclaren only recently relaunched their automotive division.

Either this is a very bad rumour or a bad investment.
 
Apple has hired some of the best talent in the auto industry over the past year, yet despite its deep pockets, many have come and gone. Despite having $200 Billion in cash, Apple is realizing how difficult it is start a car company. This only makes Tesla's accomplishments with far fewer resources even more impressive.
Apple is too arrogant and it prefers to do things their way, I don't think the vision of the company is compatible with being a car manufacturer either. Designing products using all proprietary components and software in a closed system,with ultra high margin and the product has to be an instant success. It an't going to happen.

I have a strong feeling that this deal might go through. $2Billion for Mclaren is pocket change for Apple and the Ethos behind Mclaren's corporate culture is very similar to that of Apple's.
I don't see any synergy between the two companies, and Ron is too proud to just let go of his company like this...I hope.
 
Mclaren has little that's of use for Apple in taking leaps towards a self driving car. Mclaren have low production capacity, doesn't manufacture own engines and don't have an electric car on the market. Hell, Mclaren only recently relaunched their automotive division.
Either this is a very bad rumour or a bad investment.
Speaking of which, has anyone contacted Gordon Murray yet? His design/consulting company has been releasing advanced light weight concept cars for the past few years, I can't believe none of the tech companies have hit him up yet.
 
Speaking of which, has anyone contacted Gordon Murray yet? His design/consulting company has been releasing advanced light weight concept cars for the past few years, I can't believe none of the tech companies have hit him up yet.

His T25 light weight car looks about as safe as a Tata Nano.

I don't see any synergy between the two companies, and Ron is too proud to just let go of his company like this...I hope.

I agree. Tim Cook ego + Ron Dennis god complex = Atomic disaster

If anything this could fail harder than HP's acquisition of Autonomy.
 
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Interesting to note Apple bough Beats for $3 billion, while Mclaren is only valued at $2 billion? A company rich in engineering innovation, racing heritage is valued less than freaking Beats??
 
Interesting to note Apple bough Beats for $3 billion, while Mclaren is only valued at $2 billion? A company rich in engineering innovation, racing heritage is valued less than freaking Beats??

They had a brain fart when they bought Beats, no way a virtual company selling shitty headphones is worth 3 billion.
 
So as we all assumed, the earlier statement from Mclaren is typical PR talk.

Apple and McLaren did hold talks about a potential future partnership, sources have indicated to Motorsport.com, but the discussions came to an end for unspecified reasons.
A report in the Financial Times on Wednesday claimed that technology giant Apple approached McLarenabout potential investment.

It was suggested that this could have gone as far as a takeover of the McLaren Technology Group – which encompasses the McLaren Formula 1 team, McLarenAutomotive and McLaren Applied Technology. The Financial Times cites three people briefed on the negotiations as its source for the story.

But shortly after the story broke, a carefully worded statement from McLaren made it clear that talks of an investment deal by Apple was incorrect.

"We can confirm that McLaren is not in discussion with Apple in respect of any potential investment," said aMcLaren spokesman.

"As you would expect, the nature of our brand means we regularly have confidential conversations with a wide range of parties, but we keep them confidential."

Non-denial denial
Some interpreted that statement as a complete denial of the Financial Times story, but that is not the case. For often such official statements, especially from organisations as corporate as McLaren, are very specific in how they deny things.

In F1 circles in particular, there are often statements that come to be known as 'non-denial denials' - that they appear to discredit a story but don't actually do so.

The wording this time was not an outright dismissal of the FT story – it merely said that talks were not taking place right now.
What the second paragraph of the McLaren statement hints at – but does not confirm although sources have indicated is correct – is that talks with Apple did actually occur in the past but that these will not be confirmed because they were held in confidence.

When stories about negotiations between parties are leaked to the media, it often comes as the result of those talks collapsing – either through disgruntled parties wanting the story out there or as a last-ditch effort to try to get the talks back on the table.

Either could be the motive in this case, with it likely that the story has come from Apple's side.

F1 impact
While it is unclear if Apple and McLaren are still talking about any road-car collaboration outside of investment, the fact that they met in the first place is intriguing for F1.

As one of the world's biggest brands, a high-profile involvement by Apple in grand prix racing would be a ringing endorsement for the state of the sport – whether it was through straight sponsorship or involvement as a shareholder in a team.

The growing American focus on F1 that should come as the result of Liberty Media's involvement could signal the arrival of brands like Apple in future years, if the sport is taken 'to another level' as new chairman Chase Carey suggested last week.

For McLaren, it is always on the hunt for fresh partners to help build a brighter future.

And one of the abiding themes from social media reaction about the Apple/McLaren tie-up in the last 24 hours is how such a deal could have taken away much of the 'racer' DNA that has made the Woking-based team one of F1's biggest brands.

http://www.motor1.com/news/99684/apple-mclaren-takeover-talks/
 
They had a brain fart when they bought Beats, no way a virtual company selling shitty headphones is worth 3 billion.

Not to steer this off topic, but Apple did not buy Beats for their headphone business, those were just thrown in as a freebie. Apple bought beats primarily for their music streaming service (which is now rebranded Apple music). As of this month, Apple Music already has 17 million subscribers which equates to ~$2 Billion in revenues just from music streaming. The Beats acquisition will have paid off for itself within the next 12 months just from the music streaming service (ignoring headphone sales). Apple bought Beats for a bargain at $3 Billion.
 
Not to steer this off topic, but Apple did not buy Beats for their headphone business, those were just thrown in as a freebie. Apple bought beats primarily for their music streaming service (which is now rebranded Apple music). As of this month, Apple Music already has 17 million subscribers which equates to ~$2 Billion in revenues just from music streaming. The Beats acquisition will have paid off for itself within the next 12 months just from the music streaming service (ignoring headphone sales). Apple bought Beats for a bargain at $3 Billion.

I can't see how Beats music which went live in January 2014 could have been worth 3 billion by April 2014 when Apple purchased them. They had 250,000 subscribers at that time, Apple Music launched in June 2014, Apple must have been planning Apple Music for some time, did they really need Beats?
 
As you can see in the post #52, most of the headlines were misleading - Apple wasn't looking just at the McLaren Automotive, but the whole McLaren group, of which automotive is just one part of.

The other part of the group, specifically, McLaren Applied Technologies, is also something that would make sense for Apple to acquire - they have expertise in data analysis (in the auto sector), and are active in health-care (through collaboration with GlaxoSmithKline). Both of which Apple is interested in.

That McLaren is a car manufacturer is just a cherry on a top.

(Besides... looking at Tesla's recipe, I think it would make sense for Apple to start from the premium/exclusive segment, and then scale down to less premium segments of the auto market.
In it's history, I believe Apple always competed in 'premium' segments with all of their products, right?

Similar, when BMW became a true auto-maker (after Dixie, Isetta and similar) - they never actually bothered with non-premium segments, have they? So why wouldn't Apple do the same?)
 
The other part of the group, specifically, McLaren Applied Technologies, is also something that would make sense for Apple to acquire - they have expertise in data analysis (in the auto sector), and are active in health-care (through collaboration with GlaxoSmithKline). Both of which Apple is interested in.

Doing data analysis and creating a successful physical product are two very different things. Mclaren don't have their own F1 engine or even an own engine car engine. Sure they supply electric motors to Formula E but they aren't exactly proving to have an upper hand in efficiency compared with anything else out in the market.

Basically Mclaren are no closer to building a self-driving car than Apple and wouldn't not have been a good acquisition.
 
A bit more insight from James Allen. Can someone explain to me why the share holders want Ron to buy out the other partners of the company within the end of this year?

INSIGHT: WHY IS APPLE BEING LINKED WITH F1 TAKEOVERS AND WHAT’S UP AT MCLAREN?
Apple has been linked this week with a potential bid to buy McLaren and a few weeks ago it was even suggested that they may be looking to buy F1, shortly before Liberty Media actually completed the first part of the deal for the premium racing series.

The Apple F1 takeover rumour had all the hallmarks of a smokescreen; get everyone looking to the left, when the real story was over on the right.

The Apple McLaren story has more legs, in that conversations certainly took place, but ultimately it’s just as unlikely to happen. But it went far enough for Silicon Valley sources to tell the Financial Times that something was up.

Appearing in the pink pages, read all over the globe, the story also put everyone on alert that there’s a deal to be done at McLaren, that the Woking business has world-class technology of interest to the world’s most successful tech company.

With F1 Liberty Media’s makeover of F1 set for lift off in 2017, it’s a good time to come and do business with McLaren.

So why is Apple being linked to these takeovers and what is happening behind the scenes at McLaren to bring this speculation about?

Apple is a very cash rich company with a war chest of $200 billion in cash and a track record of some interesting and expensive acquisitions, like the $3 billion paid for the audio company Beats International (a story also broken by the FT) which makes headphones, but which also had a music streaming system that became the basis of Apple Music, the company’s response to Spotify.

Everyone knows that Apple has been so successful because it has innovated and based that innovation on technology. Behind those innovations has been excellent design, but also strategic acquisitions; the iPhone, which spawned the smart phone industry and the iPad which gave users a new way to interact with the world, both rely on touch screen technology which came from a company Apple acquired.

So for them to acquire a company like McLaren with its patents on all kinds of automotive and materials technology and prowess in high density electric motors (it is the motor supplier to Formula E) might seem, on the face of it, like another strategic purchase in the same vein ahead of a push towards a new frontier.

Apple is known to be interested in getting into the automotive sector. That picture, however, has been clouded by a number of lay-offs of staff working on autonomous vehicles there.

That McLaren denied the FT story somewhat equivocally also speaks about what is happening behind the scenes in that company.

For some time now there has been some friction between two of the original partners, Ron Dennis and Mansour Ojjeh. After the split with Mercedes Benz, which had been a shareholder before deciding to buy Brawn GP in 2009, the company resolved around Ojjeh and Dennis holding 25% each and the Bahraini sovereign wealth fund owning 50%.

The McLaren Automotive company has a different share structure in which those three shareholders have less of a combined stake and there are other shareholders involved.

But the value to Apple in the discussions as far as they went appears to have been more in the patents and the suggestion is that the interest therefore lay more with the McLaren Technology Group.

Now when Dennis came back on the scene in 2014 to replace Martin Whitmarsh, it was not because the shareholders felt that he could do a better job and as a result Whitmarsh was fired. It was because it was agreed that Dennis would first take over the reins as CEO and then buy out the other partners within a certain time frame.


He spent time in China looking for backers, but so far he has not managed to complete the deal.

Sources close to the situation suggest that time is now running out on Dennis’ hunt for backers. The topic is likely to have been discussed at a board meeting which took place today. Should the situation remain unchanged when the deadline is reached later this year, the suggestion is that the pact would lead to the reverse scenario coming into play; the other shareholders would buy him out.

So is it the case that the Apple deal was something worth exploring for the tech giant, one of many such explorations of potential strategic purchases, but ultimately something of a ‘wishful thinking’ exercise on the part of Dennis and his allies in the company?

One thing is for sure; it’s sent out a signal to other potential investors and the next few months look set to be very interesting around McLaren.
https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2016...ed-with-f1-takeovers-and-whats-up-at-mclaren/
 
Can someone explain to me why the share holders want Ron to buy out the other partners of the company within the end of this year?


https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2016...ed-with-f1-takeovers-and-whats-up-at-mclaren/

A majority share gives you control of the company. My speculation is that if Ron buys out many smaller shareholders, it would make it easier for him and Mansour to negotiate big investment from a bigger player.

I wouldn't be surprised if they need more working capital for the automotive side or money to fund an engine factory. Honda isn't exactly delivering a Grand Prix winning engine, and that partnership ends at the end of next year, Mclaren, who is badly struggling for a title sponsor, will be in serious trouble.

//Speculation
 

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