Apple Car - Rumors & Speculations


I think people are doubting Apple too much.

They have liquidity like no one else and the industry is about to change so dramatically that this is the perfect time to enter it. Do they have the passion to become number 1? I doubt it but I definitely think they will become a major player.
 
Last word is that they are putting the car on hold. They want to start with automation software and then eventually team up with a manufacturer to deliver the car. Apparently they were mighty impressed with the i3 but talks collapsed with BMW due to IP ownership disagreement.
 
Last word is that they are putting the car on hold. They want to start with automation software and then eventually team up with a manufacturer to deliver the car. Apparently they were mighty impressed with the i3 but talks collapsed with BMW due to IP ownership disagreement.

Who in the right mind would want to team with Apple just for them to then walk away with the know-how and launch their own car?
 
Talks with Daimler collapsed more recently, writes Handelsblatt. :)


Exclusive: BMW, Daimler Reject Cooperation with Apple over “iCar”


German carmakers Daimler and BMW have ended talks with Apple over a cooperation deal on an electric car, Handelsblatt has learned from industry sources.

The U.S. tech firm is looking for a partner that could lend it expertise in manufacturing an electric “iCar.” The favorite is believed to be Canadian-Austrian firm Magna.

Apple’s plan has been to develop a highly-networked electric car that would also be at least partially self-driving.

Neither of the three companies would even confirm that negotiations had taken place. Magno also declined to comment.

Sources said the talks with both German carmakers collapsed over the key questions of who would lead the project and, above all, which company would have ownership of the data.

Apple wants the car to be closely built into its own cloud software, while the German carmakers have made customer data protection a key element of their future strategy.

The talks with BMW collapsed last year, while those with Daimler collapsed more recently, the sources said.

Apple is primarily looking for German technology and specialists for the project. The search is being conducted out of an office in Berlin.

https://global.handelsblatt.com/bre...imler-reject-cooperation-with-apple-over-icar
 
^ Apple may want to cooperate via HERE in Berlin? :)

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Ralf Herrtwich as Head of Automotive Business at HERE

HERE has appointed Ralf Herrtwich to lead the company's fast-growing Automotive Business Group.

In his role, Herrtwich will focus on bringing the power of HERE's Open Location Platform into vehicles as well as accelerating the deployment of location technologies to support autonomous driving.

He will start at HERE in the position of Senior Vice President and member of the HERE leadership team on October 1.

"Our Automotive Business Group is of crucial importance for HERE. To lead it we were looking for a strong and ambitious expert with an impressive track record in automotive R&D and innovation management. With Ralf we have found exactly the right person for this role. Under his leadership, our Automotive Business Group will continue to innovate, deliver and grow," said Edzard Overbeek, CEO, HERE.

"I am thrilled to join the HERE team at a time when mapping technology is about to make the next big leap. In recent years I have worked in one of the most advanced self-driving car programs in the industry and have learned a great deal about the role maps and location services will play in an autonomous future. It is not just what we can provide to such vehicles that genuinely excites me, it is also what these vehicles can add to our future maps through the sensors by which they observe their outside world. Using these inputs, we will be able to create the most complete virtual representation of our world in real-time," said Ralf Herrtwich.

Herrtwich joins HERE from Daimler AG where, since 1998, he has held various roles. He currently serves as Director Vehicle Automation and Chassis Systems.

http://evertiq.com/news/39828
 
German technology, or German brands' prestige image? Besides BMW and Mercedes, only VAG is left. Apple has the financial resources to bank roll the project from scratch.

True, but they badly need help in developing a car and the autonomous software it will need. Their hiring spree has been successful but acquisition or partnership is typically a quicker route to entering new industries.

Even what's seen as an average car, the Audi A4, is protected by thousands of patents and likely uses components that are exclusive to Audi. I can only imagine the complex hurdles Apple would need to jump to go at this alone.

Out of the competitors Apple have fought, Samsung is one of the few still standing on their legs. Daimler, VAG and BMW better do whatever they can to block Apple from succeeding at developing a good car.

Tesla would make a perfect acquisition for them but I don't think Elon wants to sell out.
 
True, but they badly need help in developing a car and the autonomous software it will need. Their hiring spree has been successful but acquisition or partnership is typically a quicker route to entering new industries.

Even what's seen as an average car, the Audi A4, is protected by thousands of patents and likely uses components that are exclusive to Audi. I can only imagine the complex hurdles Apple would need to jump to go at this alone.

Out of the competitors Apple have fought, Samsung is one of the few still standing on their legs. Daimler, VAG and BMW better do whatever they can to block Apple from succeeding at developing a good car.

Tesla would make a perfect acquisition for them but I don't think Elon wants to sell out.
I think one thing that the car industry has done well is how they handle IP rights and patents and how they push each other to improve and innovate without taking competitors to court or issuing bans.

I can't imagine Apple taking their current approach with its competitors and apply it to the car industry.
 
Apple Is Said to Be Rethinking Strategy on Self-Driving Cars


SAN FRANCISCO — Apple is rethinking what it plans to do about self-driving cars, just as other big tech companies appear ready to plow ahead with competing efforts.

In a retrenchment of one of its most ambitious initiatives, Apple has shuttered parts of its self-driving car project and laid off dozens of employees, according to three people briefed on the move who were not allowed to speak about it publicly.

The job cuts are the latest sign of trouble with Apple’s car initiative. The company has added resources to the project — code-named Titan — over the last two years, but it has struggled to make progress. And in July, the company brought in Bob Mansfield, a highly regarded Apple veteran, to take over the effort.

Apple is not the only big tech company pursuing autonomous driving technology. Alphabet, the parent company of Google, has tested self-driving cars on the road for years, but its focus has been on designing the underlying software and systems to make that technology work. Tesla has a self-driving feature within its cars that has come under scrutiny in recent months after a fatal accident was connected to its use.

Separately, Uber, in a limited test in Pittsburgh next week, plans to start picking up passengers in self-driving cars. Last month, Uber also acquired the start-up Otto for about $700 million, a purchase that brought with it some of the top minds in robotics and autonomous technology.

And automakers like Ford, General Motors and Fiat Chrysler have all said they expect to put a number of self-driving vehicles on the road in five years or less.

But Apple has stood out from the others mainly — as is often the case with the company — for its secrecy. Apple has never acknowledged that it is working on a car, though Timothy D. Cook, Apple’s chief executive, has said the automotive industry is undergoing a drastic change and, earlier this year, he seemed to confirm the existence of the car project at its annual shareholders meeting.

“Do you remember when you were a kid, and Christmas Eve, it was so exciting, you weren’t sure what was going to be downstairs?” Mr. Cook said at the meeting. “Well, it’s going to be Christmas Eve for a while.”

Apple employees were told that the layoffs were part of a “reboot” of the car project, the people briefed on it said. An Apple spokesman declined to comment.

Under Mr. Mansfield, Apple changed the focus of the project, shifting from an emphasis on designing and producing an automobile to building out the underlying technology for an autonomous vehicle. Bloomberg earlierreported the strategy change.

Electric cars rely not on the internal combustion engine, but on technologies more prevalent in the consumer electronics world: batteries, sensors and software. In addition, self-driving cars could change the traditional notions of public transportation and car ownership.

Apple started looking seriously into building an electric car about two years ago. It expanded the project quickly, poaching experts in battery technology and so-called machine vision, as well as veterans from the automobile industry.

The team also pulled in staff members from other divisions across Apple, growing to more than 1,000 employees in about 18 months. But as the project grew rapidly, it encountered a number of problems, and people working on it struggled to explain what Apple could bring to a self-driving car that other companies could not, according to the people briefed on the project.

Steven Zadesky, a longtime Apple employee initially charged with heading the car effort, left the company for personal reasons this year. His departure opened the door for Mr. Mansfield, who worked closely with Apple’s co-founder, Steve Jobs, but left the company’s executive team in 2013.

He had all but retired from Apple except for the occasional visit to the company’s headquarters in Cupertino, Calif. He was coaxed into coming back to oversee the project, which could represent a new market for Apple as sales of its flagship iPhone are slowing.

Apple has also made some headway in the space. The company has a number of fully autonomous vehicles in the middle of testing, using limited operating routes in a closed environment, according to people briefed on the company’s plans. Like other companies in the space, that technology is likely a number of years away from seeing mainstream consumer use, they added.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/10/t...nking-strategy-on-self-driving-cars.html?_r=0
 
Who on earth will be the customer for the underlying technology, Geely?
Maybe Apple is ambitious enough to have their own brand of cars. I believe these tech companies have vastly underestimated the difficulties and challenges involved in the automotive sector. Churning out phones and tablets is one thing, building a fully autonomous vehicle from scratch is another. This might be a sarcastic comment from me, but I wonder how many of the people involved in the project have extensive driving experiences?
 
Maybe Apple is ambitious enough to have their own brand of cars. I believe these tech companies have vastly underestimated the difficulties and challenges involved in the automotive sector. Churning out phones and tablets is one thing, building a fully autonomous vehicle from scratch is another. This might be a sarcastic comment from me, but I wonder how many of the people involved in the project have extensive driving experiences?

None. They are all bicycle riding nerds. And the Apple car would require your password every time you tried to start it and sure enough you wouldn't remember your iTunes password. I know I always forget mine.
 
Maybe Apple is ambitious enough to have their own brand of cars. I believe these tech companies have vastly underestimated the difficulties and challenges involved in the automotive sector. Churning out phones and tablets is one thing, building a fully autonomous vehicle from scratch is another. This might be a sarcastic comment from me, but I wonder how many of the people involved in the project have extensive driving experiences?

Apple knows that software is nothing without hardware and viceversa which is why I find it hard to believe that they will now focus on software.

As you said, the challenges ahead are mega! Internally the project might also be a mess with newly hired executives wanting to pull the project in different directions, while Tim Cook et.al unable to direct the project due to lack of automotive experience.
 
So far the promised tech compagnies doing an armagedon on the auto industry is doing a pschiitttt. I am pretty sure that they massively underestimated the scale of efforts it takes to set up auto factories.
 
I would think the approach these two tech giants company adopt would be similar to their mobile phone business model:
  • Google: Autonomous driving software + hardware from other car manufacturers
  • Apple: Autonomous driving software + Apple in-house hardware
But as mentioned, making their own hardware from scratch isn't as straight forward as making mobile phones and tablets.
 
I would think the approach these two tech giants company adopt would be similar to their mobile phone business model:
  • Google: Autonomous driving software + hardware from other car manufacturers
  • Apple: Autonomous driving software + Apple in-house hardware
But as mentioned, making their own hardware from scratch isn't as straight forward as making mobile phones and tablets.

Car manufacturers use ABS, traction control, parking assist and other driving aids from the same suppliers. There is no reason why Google couldn't become a supplier.

The objection against Google is probably privacy concerns relating to Google storing and sharing user data amongst its various production. Car manufacturers are probably also wise to mentoring Google or Apple, only to see them beat them at their own game. Both companies are sitting on billions of dollars in reserve, and although they have a long road ahead, could very quickly challenge status quo if they have a break through.

Samsung is a huge conglomerate that makes electronics and machinery across different sectors. They could make a good hardware partner for Google since they have deep knowledge about supply chain management.
 
Apple and McLaren reportedly in acquisition talks

Apple approached British supercar-maker McLaren to discuss an acquisition or a strategic investment in the firm, reports the Financial Times. The talks are said to have been in progress for several months.

McLaren is best known for its Formula One racing team and, a few months ago, rumors surfaced that Apple was considering an acquisition of the Formula One racing league itself. McLaren also has a fast-growing road cars division that started less than a decade ago but has received great praise for its million-dollar P1 hybrid hypercar and its range of supercars. McLaren also has a large consulting division and a technologies group that acts as a parts supplier to other carmakers and race teams.

In July, Apple reportedly brought longtime hardware executive Bob Mansfield back to run its car project, but a more-recent report said the division was undergoing job cuts as Mansfield looked to refine its focus. Rumors have circled for years that Apple was working on both an electric car and autonomous software.

The report said McLaren would be valued between $1.3 and $2 billion, but it’s "not clear" that the deal will get done, according to the FT. McLaren did not immediately return a request for comment, while Apple declined to comment in an email to The Verge.

Update 11:25AM ET: Updated with Apple no comment.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/21/13000666/apple-mclaren-acquisition-deal-autonomous-cars
 

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