All kind of sales Audi / BMW / Mercedes


I don't care one way or another. I don't own GM stocks or work for them. Though, I'd say certainly **** Tesla more than any other manufacturer for providing the most racist, misogynist, and economically exploitative environment for their workers and engineers; not to mention the company's owner, who is barely better than Donald Trump by any metrics; or the utter shites they brand as cars and technologies and sell quite expensively and unsafely to bandwagon customers. But I am not on board with any other corporate entity for any reason. My sentimental attachment to the luxury vehicles owned by generations of my family and friends notwithstanding, my interest in the automotive industry is purely aesthetic and technical at this point in my life.

Ok, gotcha. Sounds like your earlier predictions of Tesla's demise is guided more by your political/ethical grievances than actual market reality.

Which is fine too, I too have wishful thoughts detached from reality about the demise of others, albeit I try save it for mass murdering despots and exes. :)
 
Europe June

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Mercedes EQ models are selling poorly in Europe, all the 5xmodels listed here total combined sales for June are 1500 units less than the C-class sold. Even the low selling B-class sold more than any EQ model.
 
Mercedes EQ models are selling poorly in Europe, all the 5xmodels listed here total combined sales for June are 1500 units less than the C-class sold. Even the low selling B-class sold more than any EQ model.
Problems in battery supply limit production. especially strong demand for EQA/EQB. 60,000 EQE/EQS orders were placed in the first half of the year alone.
 
When you are the market leader , it's easy to do whatever you want.

GM , MB , BMW , etc. , must step up their game if they want a piece of the pie. Hyundai , Kia , and others are already on the good path. Their EV are good and selling pretty good.

When Tesla will see that their share drops , they will drop prices and deliver fresh new stuff.

Until then , they could bump the prices as long as they want. Waiting list for M3/Y is huge , still...
 
Ok, gotcha. Sounds like your earlier predictions of Tesla's demise is guided more by your political/ethical grievances than actual market reality.

Which is fine too, I too have wishful thoughts detached from reality about the demise of others, albeit I try save it for mass murdering despots and exes. :)

I'm not gonna engage you on that level, friend. Some of us actually know a thing or two about manufacturing, the markets, etc.
 
So this is what the Bentley-model looks like. Easy to say - JLR, 'Reimagine' etc - harder to do:


To actually 'do a Bentley', you first need to close all but one of your plants, and sack ~30,000 people, and have UNITE and co. picket the F out of you. You probably also need to do a 2008-9 GFC 'Bad JLR' - where the UK Taxpayer is dumped with JLR's bad 'assets' - the pension scheme for those axed 30,000 workers foremost - cost tens of £billions, as JLR/Tata will have 'surprisingly', chronically, massively underfunded it, for future and current pension beneficiaries.

Also, it will be 'discovered' that JLR has many, many under-performing 'assets', that need to go in this 'Bad JLR' taxpayer lifeboat, as JLR used KPMG to do its books, the same KPMG, and its senior partners, that brought us the massive Carilion fraud, with no one going to jail of course - 'struck off for life' - 60+ year olds, sipping cocktails in The Seychelles.

If JLR truly was a Bentley, or on its way to being one, it should be reporting rip-roaring profits, like the real deal - the 0.1/0.01% rich are getting richer, exponentially.

Why isn't Bentley, much smaller, suffering chip shortage, and supply chain problems, launch problems, and adverse currency movements?

The £ has fallen against the $, and the rouble of course. JLR is supposed to sell a lot of cars in the US - see Merc1 etc. So why no windfall, like Bentley, that also sells a lot of its cars in SoCal, Connecticut, etc?
 
There is not a single Mercedes, Audi, or BMW, in the sales chart posted above called "Global EV sales" which is why it does not belong in this thread, I suggest the moderators move it to a specific thread for global EV sales of any brand, or create it if it doesn't exist.
 
This is a problem of the German manufacyurers and not of the statistics.
German manufacturers have low sales volumes because they are all luxury brands. (except VW). Most of the models in the table are locally produced and sold in China. This is normal as China is the world's largest BEV market.
 
German manufacturers have low sales volumes because they are all luxury brands. (except VW). Most of the models in the table are locally produced and sold in China. This is normal as China is the world's largest BEV market.

Except for Audi, BEVs from BMW/MB, don't even make it to top 20 list in Europe either. Trying to sell overpriced mediocre products is not going to work well anywhere, not just China.

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MB BEV Q2 and H1 22 sales.

EQA - 7k, 13.4k
EQB - 5.5k, 9.1k
EQS - 3.5k, 8.5k
Rest (EQC, EQV) - 7.5k, 14.4k
Total - 23.5k, 45.4k

Source
Q1 here

So EQS sales -
Mercedes sold just 8.5k in the first half of the year. Their goal was 50k for whole year. I can't see how it will even hit even half of that goal. All the "sales potential" marketing bs aside, I can't see how they cannot see it as an abject sales flop so far.

And OTOH, S class is thriving, it is already at ~54k in the first half of the year. And I know of some here who thought the whale will sell as well as the S! lol.

BMW BEV H1 22 Sales

iX 12.8k
i4 - 9.3k
iX3 - 21.5k
i3 - 13.9k
Total - 57.5k

Mini SE - 18.4k

Source
 
Except for Audi, BEVs from BMW/MB, don't even make it to top 20 list in Europe either. Trying to sell overpriced mediocre products is not going to work well anywhere, not just China.
It doesn't make sense for Audi to be in the top 20. Production quotas affect sales this year. For example, it is necessary to wait for the year 2023 for the Mercedes EQA. Current production cannot meet demand. The VW group is more flexible in this regard. It has a production capacity of close to 1 million BEVs per year. Q4 etron is not an extreme quality product. It is the platform brother of the VW ID 4 and comes out of the same factory. The etron also doesn't have a BEV platform and its battery efficiency isn't much different from an EQC.
 
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BMW entry (1-2 series, X1-X2 and i3) : 242,859
BMW core (3-4-5-6 series and X3-X4-X5-X6-iX) : 715,653
BMW Top-End (7-8 series, X7 and M models) : 132,904
 

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