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Fat E-tron still the star of the show - embarrassing for Audi - clever people cottoned onto this being not a run of the mill, nasty plastics everywhere, accountant's car, like the ridiculous price for what you get Q4 - almost bespoke, a one-off, almost Bentley of EVs, for barely Audi+ pricing.
iX3 the sleeper - never spoken about, outselling, genuinely, the darling of the global scribblers, the Jag I-Pace, about 10 to1 - a 'poor man's' Fat E-tron.
iX3 the sleeper - never spoken about, outselling, genuinely, the darling of the global scribblers, the Jag I-Pace, about 10 to1 - a 'poor man's' Fat E-tron.
^what's Tesla's excuse this time? 'The boat only arrives the end of each quarter'?
A huge, huge factory, able to turn out 10,000 cars a week, with the potential for double that, months in production, on the doorstep, no quarter-end shenanigans/flat-out lies anymore, and still around ONE PERCENT, or less, of the market, probably massively outsold on EV by Hyundai-Kia.
Huge, glaring story, which the Media are terrified of 'going there'. It'd be like saying Greta loves Big Macs, and has bought an oil well.
The Tesla thing is gone. People are broke. Germans are prepping for winter. Flush retirees will buy a nice €40-50k Kona or Ioniq 5, or an ID.4 if patriotic, but skip on the €55k+ toy of Tesla, and its spartan interior, hard/harsh ride, no real backup for customer service, and not-needed by anyone normal under 35 yrs old, 0-100 km/h in 4 secs. - because every Rentner wants literal neck-snapping acceleration.
It's over. Musk has for his terms gone to ground. He's as good as legged it. The woke eejits might eventually truly wake up and try to stretch his fat, 20" neck.
A huge, huge factory, able to turn out 10,000 cars a week, with the potential for double that, months in production, on the doorstep, no quarter-end shenanigans/flat-out lies anymore, and still around ONE PERCENT, or less, of the market, probably massively outsold on EV by Hyundai-Kia.
Huge, glaring story, which the Media are terrified of 'going there'. It'd be like saying Greta loves Big Macs, and has bought an oil well.
The Tesla thing is gone. People are broke. Germans are prepping for winter. Flush retirees will buy a nice €40-50k Kona or Ioniq 5, or an ID.4 if patriotic, but skip on the €55k+ toy of Tesla, and its spartan interior, hard/harsh ride, no real backup for customer service, and not-needed by anyone normal under 35 yrs old, 0-100 km/h in 4 secs. - because every Rentner wants literal neck-snapping acceleration.
It's over. Musk has for his terms gone to ground. He's as good as legged it. The woke eejits might eventually truly wake up and try to stretch his fat, 20" neck.
kiki voinea
Stuttgart Specialist
Yea , right...
"Dead"
Not even the most die-hard BMW fans ( or any german manufacturer fan ) , can't say Tesla is dead by any means. They are killing it right now , and Model Y is selling like hot cakes ( a pretty expensive car )
I edited a photo posted earlier , maybe this way you will see how "dead" they are. Maybe you're blind or something
Impressive, they are then on their way to generating more than 20 billion tax-free profits in 2022, to measure, it is twice the exports that my country makes per year,.....all exports
The BMW Group more than doubled its profits to €16.1 billion (£13.5bn) in the first half of 2022 compared with the same period last year but the firm warns it will not hit predicted yearly production targets, blaming rising energy costs and part shortages.
The company, which owns BMW, Mini, and Rolls-Royce, recorded a 65.9% uplift in pre-tax profits
www.autocar.co.uk
The BMW Group more than doubled its profits to €16.1 billion (£13.5bn) in the first half of 2022 compared with the same period last year but the firm warns it will not hit predicted yearly production targets, blaming rising energy costs and part shortages.
The company, which owns BMW, Mini, and Rolls-Royce, recorded a 65.9% uplift in pre-tax profits
BMW Group profits rise to £13.5bn despite sales dip | Autocar
German firm warns that rising costs and supply issues will hamper 2022 production targets
So even if taken at face value, and Tesla 'global' is basically USA(cough, California), one factory will cover it - ~1m units/yr.Yea , right...
"Dead"
Not even the most die-hard BMW fans ( or any german manufacturer fan ) , can't say Tesla is dead by any means. They are killing it right now , and Model Y is selling like hot cakes ( a pretty expensive car )
I edited a photo posted earlier , maybe this way you will see how "dead" they are. Maybe you're blind or something
It's a Ponzi, a fraud.
As @dalab above says, BMW meanwhile is rolling in money, with margin higher than Porsche. Not a dicky bird about that from the 'global' media commentariat, who are either on Tesla's payroll, backhanders, 'points rewards cars', 'influencers', or just heavily bought into it, TSLA.
BMW's motors(electric), and general engineering is astonishing. Able to compete, and beat, with legacy platforms, insulation, higher quality etc, weighing around half a tonne more. When it has more dedicated EV platform, will the Tesla 'fanboys' - paid off people - be moaning about BMW's 'alien tech', or '10 years ahead advantage'?
Dalab literally posted a link to a publication that you think exists to control the perception of the British car industry. Not a dicky bird? Mind you, since you only intake what Zerohedge spoon feed you, it's no wonder you lack any perspective.
For anyone that bothers to read either the source, or any fact based follow up commentary, or both (i.e. not you), knows that BMW's H1 performance is largely due to the one-time consolidation of Brilliance-BMW in Q1. The H1 profits are simply not a reflection of the profitability of the company's day to day operations.
Q1 saw pre-tax profits of €12.2Bn compared to 2021's €3.4Bn (bare in mind 2021 was BMW Brand's best year ever, and the groups second best). Q2 2022 saw a drop... €3.9Bn last quarter compared to €6Bn for Q2 in the prior year.
Personally I think this is quite important to remember since when the profit drops significantly in 2023 YoY figures, people will no doubt doom-monger without acknowledging 2022 was exceptional for other reasons.
Also, I've noted you're supporting and parroting a Haymarket media article... the irony! How long have you been ranting about them now? Is it 10 years this month?
Deflect, divert... .
Tesla is coming apart, the fraud being exposed to even the most cultish believers, and you have to pick on a Haymarket angle.
I don't read, look at Autocar, online, It's now, like Tesla, in its death throes - they've made it inaccessible unless you turn off ad blocker - in other words, they're dying, their only income from: JLR - us the UK taxpayer - and its ads riddled 'site' - who pays, what £4.50, to buy the mag, read JLR Weekly, Cropley orgasming over JLR, again.
Autocar spun the BMW figures as bad. They weren't, They were the opposite - a blowout - massive beat.
If you believe they were as Autocar presented them, fine. Their margin, excepting all the specials etc, was higher than Porsche's.
Amazing, wonderful, but let's just ignore all that. Of course 2023, possibly/probably H2 2022, will be a disaster. How else would a very large, global company fair, if not vertically down, when the plug has been pulled on the 40 year+ long Ponzi economies of the UK, US, and latterly, western Europe? Zipse knows this. The US is already in a depression. The price for bringing a container from east Asia to the West Coast is at least back to 2019 level, and dropping still - i.e., little/no demand, and now massive (over-)supply.
The blindest, thickest person knows it's coming. all these war feints, are to get one started, so that They, the perps, behind the infinite money printing, and purchase of all worthwhile assets, do not have their necks stretched, in the coming global revolt - long started.
A war will smother all that, making the peons comply, rally to the flag, be patriotic, etc.
Doesn't stop what BMW has done being amazing - and almost completely unsung by the 'global' media - London and NYC.
... is that why on the simple subject of a ~€9Bn windfall for BMW with a very clear, concise and documented reason, you end up waffling on about war? Deflect and divert indeed.
Cashmere
RPM Ruler
they're pushing the life out of the new C-Class - probably huge discounts and numbers 'sold', flogged, to Avis, Hertz, Sixt.
180 reporting on Autocar's 'man the lifeboats', poor/near disastrous BMW results - don't need the sub, the first paragraph is enough - 'outperformed Porsche, 24.5% margin, stunning,' etc - i.e.. Autocar/UK media lied:
Warum BMW trotz glänzender Halbjahresbilanz den Ausblick dämpft
BMW glänzt mit Rekordwerten im ersten Halbjahr und stellt bei der Rendite sogar Porsche in den Schatten. Doch die Stimmung trübt sich ein. Konzernchef Oliver Zipse muss die Wertungen fürs Gesamtjahr dämpfen.
What happened to the talk - deliberate spread lies - that BMW had partnered with JLR on EV, and engines, and would perhaps even buy it? Buy a cripple, when you're an Olympian runner. Been there, done that. Once bitten... .
At least they recall. Unlike you know who.
Where's Musk?
Odd that. Tesla pusher extraordinaire, Tesla Bjorn, his Mansion 1.0 is on-hold, 'delayed' ...just as Tesla falls apart.
Serpens
Torque Titan
Certainly not in the U.S.
Which is odd, given the relative high price in dollars, with €:$ ~ parity. Europeans don't like sedans, or even estates much anymore.
what conspiracy? That selling ICE/PHEV sedans in Europe is pushing water uphill? That BMW is killing it, making a monkey out of Mercedes, and even making more margin than Porsche? Or that the BMW-JLR EV partnership thing is very late or was a lie? That YT pushers, 'influencers', are going under with Tesla's fall?
The conspiracy is that a person who purports to be a Merc fanboy is masquerading.
Forget cars, the real canary is vans:
www.smmt.co.uk
- fallen of its perch. In UK, similar in America, sales of vans boomed with online ordering, the sugar rush of Pandemic stimulus, working from home, public sector guaranteed salaries, Amazon everywhere, etc. Now, just 12 months later, it's gone off a cliff, sales of vans crashed.
Again, supply chain blamed. No. It's the ordinary consumer is broke.
Amazon grey EV Sprinters and Transits are everywhere, more than ever, but I wonder what they're actually carrying, as they zoom about, dangerously, with no warning sound. Me thinks they're advertising, pushing the brand, drumming up FOMO to gullible types, rather than being piled high inside with customer boxes.
July LCV market down despite increasing demand for electric vehicles - SMMT
Britain’s light commercial vehicle market falls -20.7% in July, the seventh consecutive month of year-on-year decline, with 18,722 new units registered. Battery electric van (BEV) registrations rise 21.2% in the month and 55.7% in year to date amid industry investment towards Net Zero, but...
www.smmt.co.uk
- fallen of its perch. In UK, similar in America, sales of vans boomed with online ordering, the sugar rush of Pandemic stimulus, working from home, public sector guaranteed salaries, Amazon everywhere, etc. Now, just 12 months later, it's gone off a cliff, sales of vans crashed.
Again, supply chain blamed. No. It's the ordinary consumer is broke.
Amazon grey EV Sprinters and Transits are everywhere, more than ever, but I wonder what they're actually carrying, as they zoom about, dangerously, with no warning sound. Me thinks they're advertising, pushing the brand, drumming up FOMO to gullible types, rather than being piled high inside with customer boxes.
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