Hot! All kind of sales Audi / BMW / Mercedes

[BMW4ever]

Don't know about April, but in Q1 the number was 1925.

Porsche smashed May in UK:

MAY
MARQUE	2022	% Market share	2021	% Market share	% Change
Porsche	1,454	1.17	921	0.59	57.87

UK New Car Registration Data - Latest Figures & Statistics | SMMT

Discover the latest UK car registration data: new car registration statistics, the number of cars in the UK, and more.

www.smmt.co.uk

- table's columns are messed up, but Porsche was up 58% YoY in May in UK in registrations.

Yeah, Porsche sells some 911s, the GTs and so on, and still a few Macans, Cayennes, but I'll bet at least a third of that 1,454 was Taycans.

Taycans in UK are like RRSports in the UK in the mid 2010s - they're pretty much everywhere - almost common.

Thank HM Govt for that - yes it's a decent car - BUT, the real reason it's now so common is it's a no-brainer for anyone with a company - 100/130% first year allowance against tax on profits of the business.

Why govt.(DVLA) can't produce the data, of all car registrations, by marque and vehicle, is because UK is bust, every penny, in fees - you probably have to pay thousands to buy access - required, whereas almost every other country publishes it, free.

 

[Matski]

- tables columns are messed up, but Porsche was up 58% YoY in May in UK in registrations

I fixed it for ya, cus' I'm nice like that.

Taycans in UK are like RRSports in the UK in the mid 2010s - they're pretty much everywhere - almost common.

This is false though, Porsche (all models) are 0.7% of the new car market (according to the SMMT, YTD), which is a fraction of the NEW cars you will see on the road, which are a fraction of the registered cars on the road. It's not even remotely common, the Taycans like, 2.6×10-4 of the cars on the road.

The Taycan is an excellent ambassador for BEV's but it will never be it's sales figures that define the market... it's the image that does the leg work.

Why govt.(DVLA) can't produce the data, of all car registrations, by marque and vehicle, is because UK is bust, every penny, in fees - you probably have to pay thousands to buy access - required, whereas almost every other country publishes it, free.

Again, false.

Vehicle licensing statistics data tables

Detailed statistics about vehicle licensing and registered vehicles in the United Kingdom.

www.gov.uk

• VEH0120 Licensed vehicles by make and model, Great Britain, quarterly from 1994
• VEH0121 Vehicles with a Statutory Off Road Notification by make and model, Great Britain, quarterly from 1997
• VEH0124 Licensed cars by make and model, by year of first registration, Great Britain, annually from 2010
• VEH0125 Cars with a Statutory Off Road Notification by make and model, by year of first registration, Great Britain, annually from 2010
• VEH0126 Licensed cars by make and model, by year of manufacture, Great Britain, annually from 2011
• VEH0127 Cars with a Statutory Off Road Notification by make and model, by year of manufacture, Great Britain, annually from 2011
• VEH0160 Vehicles registered for the first times by make and model, Great Britain, annually from 2001
• VEH0220 Licensed cars by make, model and engine capacity, Great Britain, annually from 2010
• VEH0221 Cars with a Statutory Off Road Notification by make, model and engine capacity, Great Britain, annually from 2011

Don't get me wrong, they're a pain to work with and published at a snails pace, put they're there, and IIRC from some numbers @Cashmere posted, there's an API that gives data much more quickly...

Now... Give us the equivalent tables for the USA and China.... I'll wait.

 

[BMW4ever]

I fixed it for ya, cus' I'm nice like that.



This is false though, Porsche (all models) are 0.7% of the new car market (according to the SMMT, YTD), which is a fraction of the NEW cars you will see on the road, which are a fraction of the registered cars on the road. It's not even remotely common, the Taycans like, 2.6×10-4 of the cars on the road.

The Taycan is an excellent ambassador for BEV's but it will never be it's sales figures that define the market... it's the image that does the leg work.



Again, false.

Vehicle licensing statistics data tables

Detailed statistics about vehicle licensing and registered vehicles in the United Kingdom.

www.gov.uk

• VEH0120 Licensed vehicles by make and model, Great Britain, quarterly from 1994
• VEH0121 Vehicles with a Statutory Off Road Notification by make and model, Great Britain, quarterly from 1997
• VEH0124 Licensed cars by make and model, by year of first registration, Great Britain, annually from 2010
• VEH0125 Cars with a Statutory Off Road Notification by make and model, by year of first registration, Great Britain, annually from 2010
• VEH0126 Licensed cars by make and model, by year of manufacture, Great Britain, annually from 2011
• VEH0127 Cars with a Statutory Off Road Notification by make and model, by year of manufacture, Great Britain, annually from 2011
• VEH0160 Vehicles registered for the first times by make and model, Great Britain, annually from 2001
• VEH0220 Licensed cars by make, model and engine capacity, Great Britain, annually from 2010
• VEH0221 Cars with a Statutory Off Road Notification by make, model and engine capacity, Great Britain, annually from 2011

Don't get me wrong, they're a pain to work with and published at a snails pace, put they're there, and IIRC from some numbers @Cashmere posted, there's an API that gives data much more quickly...

Now... Give us the equivalent tables for the USA and China.... I'll wait.

Is Pedant your middle name? I'm not talking poetic licence, I'm simply saying for a car that's ~£100k, and a saloon, not an SUV, there sure is a hell of lot of them about(in UK), and it's not due to the intrinsic car.

Many moons ago, I went through that .Gov/DVLA stuff/guff, and couldn't find straight-forward marque/model data.

And, I can't find it now - just by make - 'VEH0260' - which the SMMT already publishes.

Am I missing something?

It's different in the States - obviously - due to being a federated country. Makers self-report their (whole-)sales, and now mostly only quarterly.

FCA/Chrysler got done for boosting theirs, by fake sales.

I don't know enough about China. And who cares. It's pretty much a China-only market already - like the US in the 1950s/60s.

 

[BMW4ever]

Okay, fair enough. 'VEH0160'. But the most recent is Q4 2021. So what's the point?

Are you telling me the likes of Haymarket has some snotty nosed kid plough through this crap, and tells the boss it's up to 6 months out of date?

Course not, DVLA has the data end of play each day, obviously, Why can't they publish it each month, 24/48 hrs after month-end, like almost everyone else on the planet - KBA, CCFA, ANFAC, ANFIA, RAI Vereniging, BilSweden("Mobility Sweden") etc, etc(except perhaps the Aussies - 'VFACTS')? Because, they make major shekels from selling the data to clients, who want ruddy useful data, as in not from the last century - pedant alert - or 6 months ago.

For goodness sake, everything in this country is either private, secret, or only available if you pay.

How come tiny Norway can provide a live feed of registrations, which allows a site like 'Elbilstatistikk'?

 

[Matski]

Is Pedant your middle name?

No. Is 'misrepresenting things to support you narrative' yours?

I'm not talking poetic licence, I'm simply saying

Whatever you want to simply say.. say it simply, hyperbole is what turns sensible point into a rant.

Many moons ago, I went through that .Gov/DVLA stuff/guff, and couldn't find straight-forward marque/model data.

And, I can't find it now - just by make - 'VEH0260' - which the SMMT already publishes.

Am I missing something?

Clearly, when you claimed you'd have to pay the government thousands for the data. It's all there. It's generally 6 months late, and you basically have to compile everything from day dot to get good numbers for new cars, but it's there, and it's free. You can pay other organisations thousands if you want. JATO and the SMMT are both good examples... but if you look at your claim.. it's objectively false on a level that requires no pedentary.

It's different in the States - obviously - due to being a federated country. Makers self-report their (whole-)sales, and now mostly only quarterly.

FCA/Chrysler got done for boosting theirs, by fake sales.

I don't know enough about China. And who cares. It's pretty much a China-only market already - like the US in the 1950s/60s.

Errmmm...

whereas almost every other country publishes it, free

But two of the biggest car markets in the world don't? That's some pretty big gaps in the data you're okay with.

 

[kiki voinea]

I don't know enough about China. And who cares. It's pretty much a China-only market already - like the US in the 1950s/60s.

Taycans in UK are like RRSports in the UK in the mid 2010s - they're pretty much everywhere - almost common.

BMW, as usual, is all trousers, and no mouth. It quietly gets on with making mugs of everyone - best engines, and now best motors - all in-house. Wait until they bring out their actual EV cars. May god have mercy on the souls of the other muppets.

You just can't get enough of this . You made my day

So , by your judgement :
1. British have caviar for breakfast
2. US and CHINA are pretty much bullsh*t (because EU is the most important market )
3. Tesla and Co. can file for bankruptcy already

 

[BMW4ever]

You just can't get enough of this . You made my day

So , by your judgement :
1. British have caviar for breakfast
2. US and CHINA are pretty much bullsh*t (because EU is the most important market )
3. Tesla and Co. can file for bankruptcy already

Er, no. What I said was:

- UK Govt. is giving taxpayer money hand over fist to rich people to run cars like the Taycan for free, while eliminating tax donation for plebs' EVs(abolition of PiCG grant) - 'buy' an ~£100k Taycan, reduce your company's corporation tax by ~£30k, sell the Taycan after a year for 90%+ of purchase price, repeat, yearly.

Is that so hard to understand?

- US 'car market'. As shown by FCA, a few years ago, these 'sales figures' are hardly worth the paper they're written on. Is that so hard to understand? JLR 'sold' boatloads of I-Pace back in 2019, in the US, which appeared for months, years even, later, on dealers forecourts, websites, and sites like Cars.com

When you report your own 'sales', and wholesales at that, they're next to worthless.

- China - is, obvious to a blind man - becoming a closed/Chinese-only market. Is that so hard to understand? The dozens of Chinese companies outsell the likes of VW/VW group, and even Tesla, and only accelerating.

Whatever the rug guy - Musk - says, Shanghai has been sending a lot of its production to Europe, because it can't sell its 500k+/yr output in China. Tesla Berlin has only made this situation far worse - massive over-capacity for the Tesla Ponzi thing.

Hence why Musk cashed out, used the ruse of the Twitter thing to stop the idiot investors realising he'd done this.

Is this al so hard to understand. Or shall we discuss caviar?

Jesus wept.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Er, no. What I said was:

- UK Govt. is giving taxpayer money hand over fist to rich people to run cars like the Taycan for free, while eliminating tax donation for plebs' EVs(abolition of PiCG grant) - 'buy' an ~£100k Taycan, reduce your company's corporation tax by ~£30k, sell the Taycan after a year for 90%+ of purchase price, repeat, yearly.

Is that so hard to understand?

- US 'car market'. As shown by FCA, a few years ago, these 'sales figures' are hardly worth the paper they're written on. Is that so hard to understand? JLR 'sold' boatloads of I-Pace back in 2019, in the US, which appeared for months, years even, later, on dealers forecourts, websites, and sites like Cars.com

When you report your own 'sales', and wholesales at that, they're next to worthless.

- China - is, obvious to a blind man - becoming a closed/Chinese-only market. Is that so hard to understand? The dozens of Chinese companies outsell the likes of VW/VW group, and even Tesla, and only accelerating.

Whatever the rug guy - Musk - says, Shanghai has been sending a lot of its production to Europe, because it can't sell its 500k+/yr output in China. Tesla Berlin has only made this situation far worse - massive over-capacity for the Tesla Ponzi thing.

Hence why Musk cashed out, used the ruse of the Twitter thing to stop the idiot investors realising he'd done this.

Is this al so hard to understand. Or shall we discuss caviar?

Jesus wept.

Strangly everything you wrote in this post sounds true to me

 

[leylandi]

 

[klier]

Didn't Renault sell Lada back since the war?

Jaguar is f'ing DEAD.

 

[hovabongZA]

Crazy that BMW sold almost the same cars as Toyota.

 

[leylandi]

Didn't Renault sell Lada back since the war?

Jaguar is f'ing DEAD.

Transferred for 1 ruble.

 

[Sunny]

Crazy that BMW sold almost the same cars as Toyota.

Why? Hasn't that always been the case in Europe? If anything the diff, is way bigger this year (262k vs 309k) than last year (305k vs 307k).

 

[klier]

Strangly everything you wrote in this post sounds true to me

Particularly the China part. It'd be wise to leave China as soon as possible, for all western car brands. The Chinese sheeple are going to be fed China cars, and there is no room for any western brand left. None zip zero. There's a bazillion Chinese brands out there, and Tesla and co don't stand the slightest chance against the Chinese onslaught.

 

[BMW4ever]

Particularly the China part. It'd be wise to leave China as soon as possible, for all western car brands. The Chinese sheeple are going to be fed China cars, and there is no room for any western brand left. None zip zero. There's a bazillion Chinese brands out there, and Tesla and co don't stand the slightest chance against the Chinese onslaught.

Correct. Thank-you.

 

[BMW4ever]

Strangly everything you wrote in this post sounds true to me

Not everything - my mistake. The potential catch with ("the company")buying a Taycan every year, writing it off against your company's profits, fully, 100%, or even 130%, if you have work-place charging - the work-experience kid nips down to B&Q and buys an extension lead, IF the man from the ministry visits to inspect - never - is that when you sell it, and it has a tad more value than the effective 100% written off value - effectively the asset fully depreciated - you have to put this on the company books - revenue received, which is then taxable, and given Taycans are making 90% or more of rrp, secondhand, that's a considerable snag.

BUT, I'm sure there are ways around it. You, your/the company's accountant, and your local, friendly Porsche Experience Centre, could assess the returned Taycan as in particularly bad condition, maybe 'a bad battery' even, some cells gone dud, that type of thing, and given that Porsche parts and labour costs are a bit high - stratospheric - the car's value could be a fraction of the price you paid new 12 months ago, or even a write-off - not viable to repair/bring back to Porsche-approved car.

Or, you could just move it on to a member of the family, or a friend, or whatever, and book it as a ridiculously low sale price. Who's going check these days? When the Civil Service, and 'The Law', have overseen - looked the other way - to massive contracts for public money being handed to mates, donors, cronies, people who ran a pub, Serco £30bn, etc, etc, why should Joe Slightly Above Average - small company, worked hard all his life - not have a bit of that pie?

F 'em, as Spaffer would say. The system is bust, and completely corrupt, so get what's there before it all falls apart, and there's nothing but wheelbarrows of worthless paper - 'The £'.

 

[Matski]

 

[dalab]

The departure of the "three" Premium from China today would mean the instantaneous bankruptcy of them, you are wrong from here to China.
A billion Chinese brands and three Premium brands that are foreign, those are the ones that the Chinese really want, not to mention, for example, Buick, sales record (more than in the USA) and many others that are successful just because they are not from there.

The same thing happens in Japan, Korea, etc. Not all the Chinese will survive, in the end there will be those who know how to handle themselves better.

 

[BMW4ever]

The departure of the "three" Premium from China today would mean the instantaneous bankruptcy of them, you are wrong from here to China.
A billion Chinese brands and three Premium brands that are foreign, those are the ones that the Chinese really want, not to mention, for example, Buick, sales record (more than in the USA) and many others that are successful just because they are not from there.

The same thing happens in Japan, Korea, etc. Not all the Chinese will survive, in the end there will be those who know how to handle themselves better.

Of course not all the Chinese will survive. We knew that. You think rich Chinese want premium/uber luxury Western, but that's not the plan. The plan is China is top dog. It looks to no one for anything. It has all the energy it needs, from Russia. EV has played into its hands. EVs are much easier to master and dominate in than ICE. Enough mass, and China has mass - 1.3 bn people - and control/ownership of the key material/materials - lithium in de facto now China-controlled Afghanistan, its own rare earth metals - and EV is the end of the western-dominated global car market.

 

[BMW4ever]

Want to see how 'premium-plus'/'uber-premium' - cough, 2022 JLR($/£100k or more Full-fats, RRSports, Defenders) - will hold up with this "correction" in the markets - purposeful, deliberate, bursting - controlled demolition, The WEF's "Great Reset"('You will own nothing and be happy') - of the 40+ years Ponzi/Bubble of all financial assets - ESPECIALLY housing/real estate - watch these clowns, and see them in a few months - on skid row, on Prozac, on suicide watch, or flipping burgers at you local fast food emporium. Jesus, talks about hubris - airheads + unlimited printed money + unlimited greed + 'I'm a clever entrepreneur/businessman' = Idiocracy:

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies