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[Matski]

That’s exactly my main issue; it‘s a political choice.

For the buyer? I'd disagree with that.

For governments pushing them, yeah, probably.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

For the buyer? I'd disagree with that.

For governments pushing them, yeah, probably.

It’s a political choice, as in the government/EU is forcing customers to buy BEV. For several reasons, one of them being of an ideological nature. The market should be allowed to function.

This focusing on Bev-only, which shows a close-mindedness to other technologies, is not the right way to go.

 

[kiki voinea]

It’s a political choice, as in the government/EU is forcing customers to buy BEV. For several reasons, one of them being of an ideological nature. The market should be allowed to function.

This focusing on Bev-only, which shows a close-mindedness to other technologies, is not the right way to go.

Let's be realistic . ICE has almost peaked. I read over the years multiple reports saying that it's pretty hard to get more from ICE cars. Even the peak efficiency tech right now ( F1 cars ) , still have a 50% thermal efficiency (and that is at peak ) . Modern cars have 35%. 65% is loss...

EVs are 70-80% right now . And can get even better ( better charging , better motors ) .

And adding more parts to get 30-50 more hp , at the cost of short lasting engines , more service .... I don't know about that...

 

[klier]

It’s a political choice, as in the government/EU is forcing customers to buy BEV. For several reasons, one of them being of an ideological nature. The market should be allowed to function.

This focusing on Bev-only, which shows a close-mindedness to other technologies, is not the right way to go.

When are we going to stop beating the dead horse??

This focusing on Bev-only, which shows a close-mindedness to other technologies, is not the right way to go.

Ity's not BEV only. Toyota, ther biggest one of them all, is going all in with hybrid tech for instance.

 

[Rolf]

EV sales are slowing in the US, people seem hesitant to buy due to range and charging issues.

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[kiki voinea]

EV sales are slowing in the US, people seem hesitant to buy due to range and charging issues.

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This is pretty false and misleading

Just because car manufacturers don't care about EVs , this does not mean EV market is slowing.

How come Tesla is selling more YoY?

Tesla Y is the 4th best selling car (all cars , not just EV) in the US , for example.

And the refreshed Tesla 3 has just hit the streets.

Also , in the US , top 10 best cars sold are mostly pickups . 5 out of top 10 are pickups

So they could as well make a video saying that "why SUV market is slowing down" , or "why compact car is slowing down" or either other category that has slowed down right now.

Also , keep in mind that there is no car from "the big 3" in top 25 cars sold , worldwide ! That is more alarming !

 

[Mick Briesgau]

When are we going to stop beating the dead horse??

I don't know about you, but I don't give up that easy.

 

[Sunny]

This focusing on Bev-only, which shows a close-mindedness to other technologies, is not the right way to go.

What other technology do you think should be focused on and why?

 

[dalab]

BMWs Are The Fastest-Selling New And Used Cars In America (Good Luck Shifting F-150 Lightnings) | Carscoops

Hybrids are in-demand from new and used buyers, but the slow-moving Mercedes EQS, Lightning and Kia EV6 prove EVs are less popular

www.carscoops.com

 

[Mick Briesgau]

What other technology do you think should be focused on and why?

First of all, politics, and that what was I was talking about with my remark of focusing only on BEV, shouldn't interfere in the car market at all. EU however is interfering in a manner that almost qualifies a name change to EUSSR. It's planned economy in so many areas of the economic market is sickening.

Second, I'm all for openness in technology. All technical solutions, also the future ones we even don't know yet, should get a chance. What EU is doing is making laws, that leaves only one technology option: BEV. It's not a decision made by the market.

To give you a short answer to your question: all technology should be focused and let the market/buyers decide what are the right ones.

 

[AndreB]

Agree but how we fix the pollution? ICE tech reached its peak and hybrid is more expensive.

 

[AndreB]

More concerning is the "profit above everything" strategy of EU car manufacturers and their reliance on China for tech or Saudi / Russia for gas.
EV's are able to fix some of these problems, we can produce our own clean energy and hopefully secure battery materials but the market want to simply order tankers with petrol.

 

[kiki voinea]

EV sales are slowing in the US, people seem hesitant to buy due to range and charging issues.

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Where is that "slowing"? (keep in mind that the year is not done , and Model 3 just hit the roads )

50% increase YoY

 

[leylandi]

Germany

 

[leylandi]

New car registrations: +6.7% in November; battery electric 16.3% market share

In November 2023, the EU’s car market grew by a modest but reasonably robust 6.7%. Despite a relatively low base of comparison, solid growth persisted, marking the sixteenth consecutive month of expansion.

www.acea.auto

 

[klier]

Jaguar declining to 20k. Incredible and kind of sad. It's almost done now.

 

[Gianclaudio]

Jaguar declining to 20k. Incredible and kind of sad. It's almost done now.

Specially, for a company making cars best at everything

 

[klier]

Specially, for a company making cars best at everything

Yeah it's wild how little people want the best cars in the world.

 

[dalab]

I find this interesting, just as the chart of all the 7 series appeared a while ago, it is rich information due to its comparative historical relevance and its scarcity since it is not available that clearly.

It's a shame that there isn't something like this available from the Mercedes and/or Audi models, or if there is, I hope someone posts it.

*"The global financial crisis of 2007 and 2008, which also left its mark on the E60, may have played a larger role in the gentle decline."

*"The F10: like the E60, the G30 generation also suffered global crises that had a decisive impact on the second half of its life cycle: the pandemic and the so-called semiconductor crisis"

*LWB in light blue

According to the chart, the opening to China was and is an endless party for manufacturers.
That sedans are disappearing is just an urban legend of who have not been able to face the current environment.

BMW 5er: Die Stückzahlen der Limousinen von E12 bis G30

Die 5er-Reihe ist seit über 50 Jahren zentraler Bestandteil des BMW-Portfolios, mehr als 10 Millionen Exemplare wurden seit der Einführung im Jahr 1972

www.bimmertoday.de

 

[leylandi]

BMW Electric Vehicle Sales.
Following the market launch of the first-ever BMW i5 in November, BMW now offers four full battery electric vehicles in the U.S. – the BMW i4, BMW i5, BMW i7, and BMW iX. BMW sold 14,374 battery electric vehicles in the fourth quarter of 2023, a 65.4% increase over the 8,689 battery electric vehicles sold in the fourth quarter of 2022. For the full year 2023, BMW sold 45,417 battery electric vehicles, which represents 12.5% of total sales for the year.

In addition, the company sold 25,318 plug-in hybrid electric vehicles in 2023, bringing the total number of electrified vehicles sold to 70,735, or 19.5% of total sales.