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'BMW is the best car brand in the world, by one very important measure'
Mike Rutherford explains how the race for profit among the world’s top car companies is being won by BMW, with a clutch of others hot on its tail…

by: Mike Rutherford 25 Sep 2023

So how many billions of dollars did the world’s largest car companies make in post-tax profits during the last financial year – after you might have shopped with them for your cars, finance, vehicle parts, accessories and more?

BMW (including MINI) did best with a lovely jubbly $18.9bn.
Following closely behind were Toyota and Lexus with $18.1bn,
then the Stellantis clan ($17.7bn),
Mercedes ($15.3bn),
Volkswagen Group ($15.2bn),

Tesla ($12.6bn),
General Motors ($9.9bn),
Hyundai ($5.7bn),
Honda ($4.8bn)
and Kia ($4.2bn).

Not only does BMW beat every other car manufacturing group in terms of profitability, it now ranks as the 30th most profitable company in the world, period.


The likes of Toyota and VW Group have to be deeply miffed by this – not least because they each put in more work by designing, making and selling far more cars than BMW, and, in turn, rake in almost twice as much revenue. Yet they can’t match, never mind overtake, the Munich firm for profitability. Something to do with the fact Toyotas and VWs are much more reasonably priced than BMWs? Undoubtedly.

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Tesla is another company following the same highly lucrative BMW route of concentrating less on how much cash is raked in over the counter, more on making fat, ever-rising profits. Despite it being a comparatively tiny outfit with a few cottage industry tendencies, Elon Musk’s company now sits sixth in my car manufacturer league table of highest profit earners. And the icing on the cake is the Tesla enterprise he fathered has just become the 60th most profitable firm in the world.

For so long GM was the number one car company on the planet (a position it will never regain, I’d not so politely suggest), but The General must now be scratching his corporate head wondering how a disruptive upstart called Musk and his Tesla brand was allowed to embarrassingly sneak in and overtake the GM empire in the profitability stakes.

Hoping to move into the top 10 are second-tier firms such as Volvo, which made $3.3bn last year, BYD ($2.5bn) and Shanghai Automotive ($2.4bn). In time, all stand a chance. Nissan and Suzuki on $1.6bn apiece, Dongfeng ($1.2bn), JLR owner Tata Motors ($0.3bn) and Beijing Automotive Group (also $0.3bn), I’m not so sure about.

In terms of rising annual profits, no vehicle maker has done better lately than BYD, whose profit during the last financial year increased by a jaw-dropping 423 per cent. Tesla improved by 128 per cent, Hyundai was up 32 per cent and BMW 29 per cent.

So it seems a simple case of motor manufacturers sitting back and watching their profits roll in, at the expense of customers like you, of course. But then there are unfathomable exceptions to the rule. Renault raked in $50bn last year, but somehow managed to convert that not-unreasonable gross revenue into a loss of almost $0.4bn. Hmm! And things go from bad to worse at Ford, which grossed $158bn over the same 12-month period, but reckoned it made annual losses of $2.0bn. If Uncle Henry continues to lose money at this disastrous rate, his entire business might not be long for this world.

 
'BMW is the best car brand in the world, by one very important measure'
Mike Rutherford explains how the race for profit among the world’s top car companies is being won by BMW, with a clutch of others hot on its tail…

by: Mike Rutherford 25 Sep 2023

So how many billions of dollars did the world’s largest car companies make in post-tax profits during the last financial year – after you might have shopped with them for your cars, finance, vehicle parts, accessories and more?

BMW (including MINI) did best with a lovely jubbly $18.9bn.
Following closely behind were Toyota and Lexus with $18.1bn,
then the Stellantis clan ($17.7bn),
Mercedes ($15.3bn),
Volkswagen Group ($15.2bn),

Tesla ($12.6bn),
General Motors ($9.9bn),
Hyundai ($5.7bn),
Honda ($4.8bn)
and Kia ($4.2bn).

Not only does BMW beat every other car manufacturing group in terms of profitability, it now ranks as the 30th most profitable company in the world, period.


The likes of Toyota and VW Group have to be deeply miffed by this – not least because they each put in more work by designing, making and selling far more cars than BMW, and, in turn, rake in almost twice as much revenue. Yet they can’t match, never mind overtake, the Munich firm for profitability. Something to do with the fact Toyotas and VWs are much more reasonably priced than BMWs? Undoubtedly.

1695662667154.jpg


Tesla is another company following the same highly lucrative BMW route of concentrating less on how much cash is raked in over the counter, more on making fat, ever-rising profits. Despite it being a comparatively tiny outfit with a few cottage industry tendencies, Elon Musk’s company now sits sixth in my car manufacturer league table of highest profit earners. And the icing on the cake is the Tesla enterprise he fathered has just become the 60th most profitable firm in the world.

For so long GM was the number one car company on the planet (a position it will never regain, I’d not so politely suggest), but The General must now be scratching his corporate head wondering how a disruptive upstart called Musk and his Tesla brand was allowed to embarrassingly sneak in and overtake the GM empire in the profitability stakes.

Hoping to move into the top 10 are second-tier firms such as Volvo, which made $3.3bn last year, BYD ($2.5bn) and Shanghai Automotive ($2.4bn). In time, all stand a chance. Nissan and Suzuki on $1.6bn apiece, Dongfeng ($1.2bn), JLR owner Tata Motors ($0.3bn) and Beijing Automotive Group (also $0.3bn), I’m not so sure about.

In terms of rising annual profits, no vehicle maker has done better lately than BYD, whose profit during the last financial year increased by a jaw-dropping 423 per cent. Tesla improved by 128 per cent, Hyundai was up 32 per cent and BMW 29 per cent.

So it seems a simple case of motor manufacturers sitting back and watching their profits roll in, at the expense of customers like you, of course. But then there are unfathomable exceptions to the rule. Renault raked in $50bn last year, but somehow managed to convert that not-unreasonable gross revenue into a loss of almost $0.4bn. Hmm! And things go from bad to worse at Ford, which grossed $158bn over the same 12-month period, but reckoned it made annual losses of $2.0bn. If Uncle Henry continues to lose money at this disastrous rate, his entire business might not be long for this world.

Yea , bragging about profits , while quality is getting lower and lower....Ever wondered where those huge margins come from?

Few to no innovations.

Car industry in the late 5-7 years has been sooo boring...

But hey , as long as people buy...
 
Car industry in the late 5-7 years has been sooo boring...
The other day I thought exactly the opposite, there are dozens of different types and forms of new vehicles coexisting, all manufacturers trying new things because they don't know where to aim and I compared it to the 80's, 90's with life cycles of 10 and 11 years with three models per brand, that was a bit boring
 
The other day I thought exactly the opposite, there are dozens of different types and forms of new vehicles coexisting, all manufacturers trying new things because they don't know where to aim and I compared it to the 80's, 90's with life cycles of 10 and 11 years with three models per brand, that was a bit boring
Yea , a bit late , but otherwise they had massive improvements over the last gen.

Can you name one revolutionary option that cars have in the late years?

I mean , something like : Airbags , Distronic , iDrive , blabla

Just like in the phones industry , we have reached a somehow peak of laziness.

I mean , just look at the last S class. What does W223 has over W222? Besides design and that absolutely useless AR HUD.

I really hope Asian manufacturers will bring better cars at better prices.
 
I mean , something like : Airbags , Distronic , iDrive , blabla
Can you name one revolutionary option that cars have in the late years?
Making gestures in the air to open the doors and so on, talking to the car, calling my uncle who is in Iceland from the car and that they drive themselves is something that if you had told me in the 80's I would have thought of black magic
 
Yea , a bit late , but otherwise they had massive improvements over the last gen.

Can you name one revolutionary option that cars have in the late years?

I mean , something like : Airbags , Distronic , iDrive , blabla

Just like in the phones industry , we have reached a somehow peak of laziness.

I mean , just look at the last S class. What does W223 has over W222? Besides design and that absolutely useless AR HUD.

I really hope Asian manufacturers will bring better cars at better prices.
They won’t because we have reached the peak of mechanical innovation. What needed a massive improvement in the new S over the old one? Japan takes even less risks in general. Mercedes and others have already innovated enough with ICE. EVs will be where the new ground/innovation will be.

M
 
They won’t because we have reached the peak of mechanical innovation. What needed a massive improvement in the new S over the old one? Japan takes even less risks in general. Mercedes and others have already innovated enough with ICE. EVs will be where the new ground/innovation will be.

M
I'm not saying mechanical innovation. I am saying per total innovation.

All industry right now is at a peak of innovation .Phones , cars , every electric/electronic thing now is pretty boring.

And that is because nobody is investing so much any more. And that is why the profits are so huge right now. Around 13 firms worldwide sit on around 1 trillion USD in cash reserves right now.

Even Tesla looks like it going for the dollars. Almost no innovation in the past years.
 
I'm not saying mechanical innovation. I am saying per total innovation.
Well, if we remove what you would consider gimmicks (which I like and consider innovations), we have to be fair and there is a lot to mention mechanically too, with powers HP's higher than those of Formula 1 in street cars, carbon brakes available for any mortal, magic carpet suspensions etc etc, and in other aspects the fact that cars drive themselves is one of the greatest advances of the last 100 years, if not the greatest
All industry right now is at a peak of innovation .Phones , cars , every electric/electronic thing now is pretty boring.
Before, these innovations were not expected or requested (ABS, Airbag, etc.), and today with a more demanding public they demand them.
 
Well, if we remove what you would consider gimmicks (which I like and consider innovations), we have to be fair and there is a lot to mention mechanically too, with powers HP's higher than those of Formula 1 in street cars, carbon brakes available for any mortal, magic carpet suspensions etc etc, and in other aspects the fact that cars drive themselves is one of the greatest advances of the last 100 years, if not the greatest
Man , just stop being so "grateful" . People like you are the reason why everything is only about money right now , and not getting the end users new and exciting things !

Carbon brakes is available in maybe >1% of all cars.Because it is useless for 99% of the rest...

And no car is driving itself , YET.

We are talking about Full Self Driving cars since when ? 80s? 90s ? 30 years and we still don't have a car that properly drives itself ! Without any input !

And I will give you an example of "innovation" that is mostly pointless , because NO resources were allocated further after the product was released : MB's AR HUD

This option would have been such a cool feature , if only MB would have invested and worked with 3rd party to make it useful ! ( like : Waze integration )

Read some SF books , or see some SF futuristic movies if your imagination is not there , and you can't see past current tech

Edit: By the way, hence mentioning SF , movies this days suffer from the same thing : Lazy writing , lazy visual effects , lazy acting ( see Disney/Warner Bros/etc )
 
Man , just stop being so "grateful" . People like you are the reason why everything is only about money right now , and not getting the end users new and exciting things !

Carbon brakes is available in maybe >1% of all cars.Because it is useless for 99% of the rest...

And no car is driving itself , YET.

We are talking about Full Self Driving cars since when ? 80s? 90s ? 30 years and we still don't have a car that properly drives itself ! Without any input !

And I will give you an example of "innovation" that is mostly pointless , because NO resources were allocated further after the product was released : MB's AR HUD

This option would have been such a cool feature , if only MB would have invested and worked with 3rd party to make it useful ! ( like : Waze integration )

Read some SF books , or see some SF futuristic movies if your imagination is not there , and you can't see past current tech

Edit: By the way, hence mentioning SF , movies this days suffer from the same thing : Lazy writing , lazy visual effects , lazy acting ( see Disney/Warner Bros/etc )
I respect your point, but I see the glass a little fuller.
I have thought that the only thing that can blow my mind is cars is that do the same thing as the skateboard from back to the future, but things as simple as the seat belt or as revolutionary as a bag with explosives that actually saves lives, are moments of brilliants that are not abundant....

Something like what would you like to see?
 
Mercedes' profit margin is higher than BMW. Additionally, BMW's high profit rate in 2022 was due to its Brilliance partnership.
 
Mercedes' profit margin is higher than BMW. Additionally, BMW's high profit rate in 2022 was due to its Brilliance partnership.
Aha, without Brilliance they are almost tied with Mercedes, but I ask you, aren't Brilliance deal profits? Aren't they dollars or euros? Of course they are and much better because that profit is the result of doing good business, that's what it does to a great company which, due to that and other facts, according to the report, is currently the best in the world.

Not even seeing the numbers ahead of everyone else in the world you give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar?
 
Something like what would you like to see?
- Proper AR
- Vision aided suspension ( Magic Body Control was something unfinished )
- Proper drive-by-wire
And so on...

This are truly possible

Flying cars would be possible , if all car industry would invest in development of a power unit ( high energy density packs ) .

Li-Ion is "old fashion" already , with all it's derivatives...
 
I'm not saying mechanical innovation. I am saying per total innovation.

All industry right now is at a peak of innovation .Phones , cars , every electric/electronic thing now is pretty boring.

And that is because nobody is investing so much any more. And that is why the profits are so huge right now. Around 13 firms worldwide sit on around 1 trillion USD in cash reserves right now.

Even Tesla looks like it going for the dollars. Almost no innovation in the past years.
Again I don’t see a whole lot left to innovate. The really heavy lifting has been gone already. Squeezing more power and efficiency out of ice? What do you want to see them do? I don’t think cars like a 911 or S Class can leap much further. The switch to EV is costs money for those trying to shift and then catch up to the likes of Tesla.

M
 
All industry right now is at a peak of innovation .Phones , cars , every electric/electronic thing now is pretty boring.
Cause those have been around all for a while now. Tech matures and slows, just like all other systems that counter entropy.
Innovation is happening in other areas - at even more rapid phase than anything before.

For cars, the next real frontier is AD.
 
Cause those have been around all for a while now. Tech matures and slows, just like all other systems that counter entropy.
Innovation is happening in other areas - at even more rapid phase than anything before.

For cars, the next real frontier is AD.

One has to truly live under a rock with such a baseless almost retarded claim. Funniest part was the "all industry". He would have had a point if he said the industry for making gold fish food is at its peak. But all industry? LMAO everything with a chip in it is moving like never before.
 
Back to sales, US H1

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As long as US won't let chinese cars on their land , Tesla won't have much competition...The new 3 is out. Soon in US. So sales should stay up further more.
 

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