2015 Porsche Pajun in the works?

[tristatez28lt1]

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/284053/porsche_pajun_exclusive.html

Porsche is taking on the BMW 5 Series with a striking new sports saloon that will sit below the Panamera. It’s called the Pajun (as in Panamera Junior) and will rival top-end 5 Series, Audi A7 and Mercedes CLS models. Insiders say it will be more of a “911 with a boot” than the Panamera.

We’ve produced these illustrations to give you an idea of how it will look, and it’s set to be lower and shorter than the Panamera. Under the skin will be a cut-down version of the next-generation Panamera’s platform. Styling cues will be drawn from that car and the 911.

The narrow rear lights are inspired by Porsche’s iconic sports car, while the angular headlights and more rounded shape are both features of the latest Panamera.

The Pajun’s dynamics will also be a mix of the two models. Engineers aim to deliver a sharp and agile driving experience that’s suitable for everyday use, too.

And the company is keen not to sacrifice practicality – it has been reported a shooting brake estate is under development, alongside the Pajun saloon.

Under the bonnet, Porsche will offer the four-door coupe with a range of diesel and petrol engines, including a version of the 310bhp 3.0-litre V6 diesel used elsewhere in the VW Group.

Petrol options will comprise a 3.0-litre V6 bi-turbo with 414bhp and a single-turbo version of the same engine with 318bhp. The latter will also be available in a plug-in hybrid model that will deliver an extra 100bhp
from an electric motor, and be capable of fuel economy of around 100mpg.

All cars will come with a choice of the new 911’s seven-speed manual gearbox or a dual-clutch PDK system. Rear and four-wheel drive will be available.

As with all Porsche models, a range of performance-boosting options will be offered, such as carbon-ceramic brakes, active suspension and torque vectoring.

A price of around £50,000 is expected for entry-level models, while top-of-the-range turbos could cost closer to £90,000.

The Pajun is likely to go on sale in 2016. In the meantime, Porsche’s biggest priority is to build a Ferrari 458 Italia rival, in the shape of the £160,000 961 supercar.

 

[Sayyaaf]

those are more like Panamera facelift. What are they smoking.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Theophilushin.com renders:

 

[Levi68]

Won't the Pajun rather be a 3 Series Sedan / 4 Series GranCoupé rival ? I thought the Panamera was the 5 Series Sedan / 6 Series GranCoupé rival !

 

[Deckhook]

I think this shape works better with the smaller dimensions than it does with the Panny.

 

[Sayyaaf]

Any truth to these Pajun rumors ? can't seem to find any evidence or official announcement about it.

 

[Levi68]

Just like Porsche has an X5 M and M5 killer, the Cayene Turbo and the Panamera Turbo, I am quite sure that the Pajun Turbo will be the M3 killer. Is the M3 E9S the last M3 to be king ? With the M3 abandoning NA and embracing FI, the M3 may be dethroned.

What platform will the Pajun be based on ? I wish VAG to buy Alfa Romeo so that they can base the 159 successor on the Pajun. A RWD Pajun with the 911 Carrera S X51 Package engine and Alfa Romeo badge, this will 100% be my future DD.

 

[SKY]

I doubt the Porsche detrones the bimmer. I remember some tests where the M5 beats the Panny.

 

[Hofmeister]

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret...Pajun-the-latest-news-on-2017s-baby-Panamera/

The Cajun was only recently named Macan, so we don't know yet what the badge on the bootlid of the Porsche Pajun will read. We do know for sure, however, that the bonsai Panamera is an active project. Chairman Matthias Müller recently told the German business weekly Wirtschaftswoche that 'such a model would make an attractive addition to the range in about five to six years from now.'
While the Macan is a joint effort with Audi, home of all VW group mid- to full-size crossovers and SUVs, the 4900mm Pajun is a Porsche through and through. The schedule for the marque´s future front-engined four-door sports cars looks like this:
• In spring 2013, we are going to see the extensively restyled and upgraded (new V6) Panamera
• At the next Frankfurt Show in September 2015, Porsche will unveil the all-new Panamera MkII
• In late 2016 or 2017, the brand intends to start producing the Pajun aimed at A6, 5series, E-class
The hardware underneath the 2017 Porsche Pajun

Timing is tight because the second-edition Panamera and the Pajun are both based on a new architecture dubbed MSB for modular sports car matrix. The flexibility of MSB is such that it can be front-, mid- and rear-engined as well as rear- and all-wheel drive.
Although the Pajun aims at the mid-size offerings from Ingolstadt, Munich and Stuttgart, its prime targets are A7 Sportback, CLS and 6-series Gran Coupe. Expect two bodystyles: a five-door coupe that looks infinitely better than the hunchback Panamera, and a very sporty shooting brake to be released twelve months later.
The five-door Pajun coupé is said to combine Audi A5 Sportback overtones with Porsche's own 911-inspired design language. The shooting brake features a third side window, a much longer roofline with integrated spoiler, slim wraparound taillights, a deep tailgate and a large and fast rear window. The Pajun can be optioned up with ceramic brakes, PDK, air suspension, four-wheel drive, torque vectoring, sport chrono plus and an extended choice of driver assistance systems.
Engines bound for the Porsche Pajun

Enginewise, this car relies solely on the V6. While the Panamera will soon be available with the brawny V8 TDI developed by Audi, the Ingolstadt-sourced 3.0-litre V6 TDI earmarked for the Pajun is expected to deliver 260 and 320bhp in the diesel S.
Also in the pipeline are two petrol-fed 3.0-litre six-cylinder units. The lesser version is believed to churn out 320bhp and 325lb ft, the twin-turbo edition should be good for 420bhp and 413lb ft. Waiting in the wings is an even more potent turbo S motor rated at 520bhp and 502lb ft.
Pajun prices are going to range from €65,000 to more than €100,000, sources say.
For Porsche, the Pajun is instrumental in reaching its mid-term volume target of 200,000 vehicles per year. Like Cayenne, Panamera and Macan, it is bound to further reduce the sports car maker's dependence on sports cars.

 

[Deckhook]

Certurion might be able to add to this but I heard the V8TDI might produce as much as 415hp.

 

[Centurion]

Certurion might be able to add to this but I heard the V8TDI might produce as much as 415hp.

Porsche are very profit driven and the they now face a delimma, to use Audi engines or develop their own. Using Audi engines even shared by Jettas isn't good for the brand and developing own engines is expensive. However Porsche only needs 1-2 more diesel and entry level engines that can fill gaps for the Macan and future Pajun models.

 

[Deckhook]

^ I imagine that in future Porsche will develop their own line of diesel engines but in the near future they will pick and chose the best of the bunch of which Audi's big diesels are very good indeed. I'm more curious as to whether this output figure has come up in conversations you have had.

 

[Ascari]

Sounds like an excellent piece of engineering with great Audi engines. I just wonder what Audi will have , because in addition to the money I can think of only a very formidable competitor

 

[Hofmeister]

Can anyone guess which would come first, the "Pajun" or the next 5-Series? Late 2016/Early 2017 indicates that there may be only months between them being revealed

 

[Ascari]

I think the next generation 5 Series will appear in the 2017/2018.

 

[K-A]

If this car is sized the same as an E-Class 5-Series and not any smaller, it will very well be of MAJOR interest to me. I have a feeling they will work out any shortcomings of the Panamera design with this.

At the same time, the Panamera isn't THAT much bigger than the E/5, is it? I hate to see Porsche starting to dilute their sacred and powerful brand into an "every segment for everyone" concept like Mercedes and BMW have done. Porsche should remain a "halo".

 

[Deckhook]

^I think Porsche has always intended to diversify into more mainstream markets even before Volkswagen took control, their attempted VAG buyout was to gain buying power to reduce costs and expand. The problem is niche markets are there to compliment sales rather than be the backbone of your business and sorry to say it but when you look at the number of sportscar markets there are today compared to 40-50 years ago you see that sticking solely there is a risky business.

 

[MoSs]

oh man look at all the PS's, however they try to replicate the panamera design it still looks ugly.

dont get me wrong, i like the panamera but not the basic model.

 

[K-A]

I think if there's one Sedan that could use frameless windows it's a Porsche Sedan.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/porsche-pajun-poised-production

Porsche is poised to give the green light to a direct rival for the BMW 5-series and Mercedes E-class after more than a year of research and debate, according to company insiders.
If the project is rubber-stamped, Porsche would for the first time be entering a mainstream market segment, albeit a premium sector dominated by the German ‘big three’. If the model gets the go-ahead, it will hit showrooms in 2016 at the very earliest, but it is still considered part of Porsche’s plan to sell 200,000 units annually by 2018.
Michael Mauer, Porsche’s styling chief, was recently quoted as saying that a road car smaller than the Panamera “was a possibility”. It’s thought that Mauer’s design team have recently been able to spend serious time on the 5-series-sized concept, now that the Macan SUV and Panamera facelift are both heading for the showroom.
Most expect that the ‘Pajun’ (a nickname derived from ‘Panamera junior’) will be a five-door fastback, like its bigger brother. A Mercedes CLS-style sportwagon version is also pencilled in, with a two-door coupé possible in the next decade. It’s also thought that V8 and four-cylinder engines have been ruled out.
Most industry sources expect the Pajun to be built on the VW Group’s next-generation MSB platform. Porsche is developing this rear-drive and all-wheel-drive architecture for use under the next-generation Panamera, Nearly all future Bentleys, among other high-end VW Group models, will also use it.
Porsche could have used Audi’s next-generation mixed-materials MLB architecture, which will also underpin its upcoming Macan SUV, as well as all future Audi models from the A4 to A7.
However, the MLB is a natively front-wheel drive platform, so all versions of an MLB-based Pajun would have been all-wheel drive. A front-wheel-drive Porsche is considered unthinkable.
According to figures from IHS and Credit Suisse auto analysts, the global market for premium E-segment cars — which includes the 5-series, E-class and Audi A6 — will this year be about 970,000.
That figure is projected to bounce along at about the same level until 2017, when a growth spike will take it to about 1.3 million units by the end of 2019. So this is fertile new territory for Porsche.
This market segment promises substantial profit margins. It’s not as profitable per unit as the market for big, premium SUVs (which Porsche is already exploiting with the Cayenne), but sales volumes are bigger. This is why Maserati is also looking to exploit this market with its new Ghibli.
It’s easy to understand why the more exclusive premium brands see the potential to shake up a segment dominated by the 5-series, E-class and A6. These three models account for about 70 per cent of global sales in the sector.
The premium E-segment market is “underperforming” compared with other premium segments, according to Credit Suisse analyst George Galliers.
“We believe this is part of the ongoing trend towards ‘other’ vehicles [such as SUVs],” said Galliers. “The growth opportunity in this price range/vehicle size is likely to come from comparable products which do not conform to the traditional three-box saloon, in our view. Presumably, this is the opportunity which Porsche also sees.
“We presume that any product which they would offer would most likely have a hatchback configuration as per the Panamera.”