2015 Porsche Pajun in the works?

[tristatez28lt1]

First render:

Approximately one year from now, Porsche will launch the Panamera XXL, a stretched version of its luxury sedan sporting a 5.9-inch-longer wheelbase. At the same time, the car is due to undergo a comprehensive face-lift. That will carry the Panamera out to 2015, when we will see the follow-up version. It will be lighter, not quite as big, and better suited for sporty derivatives. The second-generation Panamera will use a new architecture known as MSB-F. This acronym denotes a front-mid-engine modular rear-wheel-drive or all-wheel-drive layout. MSB-F is being developed in Weissach for Porsche, Bentley, and Lamborghini.​

A smaller Porsche sedan is still known by its code name, Pajun, short for Panamera Junior. The Pajun uses the same flexible components set as its bigger sibling and will appear in 2016. It debuts as a four-door four-seater but over time will spawn a convertible and a coupe or sporty hatchback. It's described as an antiestablishment sedan -- sharp, striking, and spirited. Its three-box shape should help avoid cannibalization with the larger Panamera, which is expected to retain its egg-shaped, 911-inspired rear end.As far as powertrains go, Porsche is the driving force behind the new modular V engines that will be used by all the premium brands in the Volkswagen Group. Starting in 2013-14, the Panamera/Pajun and the Cayenne/Macan are expected to become available with a range of much-improved turbocharged engines. We expect a 3.0-liter V-6 (slated to produce about 400 hp and 400 lb-ft of torque), a 3.6-liter V-8 (500 hp and 500 lb-ft), a 4.0-liter V-8 (550 hp, 515 lb-ft), and a high-performance S edition likely to churn out 550 hp and more than 515 lb-ft. Alternatively, there will be a pair of Audi-sourced 3.0-liter V-6 turbo-diesel units rated at about 245 hp and 325 hp. In addition, we'll see an uprated 4.2-liter V-8 TDI, which should muster some 365 hp. Also in the works are two plug-in hybrids, one with a 220-hp four-cylinder and the other with a 330-hp V-6, both hooked to a pair of electric motors that add at least another 135 hp to the grand total.Once the Pajun has been established in the marketplace, Porsche's total production output should exceed 200,000 vehicles per year.​

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http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/1205_future_porsches/new_models.html

 

[Centurion]

Martin Winterkorn et al, have some ambitious targets for 2018, and a smaller Panamera could work if they manage to replicate the technical superiority the Panamera has over its peers. But Porsche ought to be careful not to grow to quickly. Most of the dealerships are rather small in size and making dealership owners shit bricks every time a new model is launched won't be good. Even accommodating the various 911 configurations require dealerships to have a parking lot that's level with Wallmart.

 

[Levi68]

Approximately one year from now, Porsche will launch the Panamera XXL, a stretched version of its luxury sedan sporting a 5.9-inch-longer wheelbase. At the same time, the car is due to undergo a comprehensive face-lift. That will carry the Panamera out to 2015, when we will see the follow-up version. It will be lighter, not quite as big, and better suited for sporty derivatives. The second-generation Panamera will use a new architecture known as MSB-F. This acronym denotes a front-mid-engine modular rear-wheel-drive or all-wheel-drive layout. MSB-F is being developed in Weissach for Porsche, Bentley, and Lamborghini.
A smaller Porsche sedan is still known by its code name, Pajun, short for Panamera Junior. The Pajun uses the same flexible components set as its bigger sibling and will appear in 2016. It debuts as a four-door four-seater but over time will spawn a convertible and a coupe or sporty hatchback. It's described as an antiestablishment sedan -- sharp, striking, and spirited. Its three-box shape should help avoid cannibalization with the larger Panamera, which is expected to retain its egg-shaped, 911-inspired rear end.As far as powertrains go, Porsche is the driving force behind the new modular V engines that will be used by all the premium brands in the Volkswagen Group. Starting in 2013-14, the Panamera/Pajun and the Cayenne/Macan are expected to become available with a range of much-improved turbocharged engines. We expect a 3.0-liter V-6 (slated to produce about 400 hp and 400 lb-ft of torque), a 3.6-liter V-8 (500 hp and 500 lb-ft), a 4.0-liter V-8 (550 hp, 515 lb-ft), and a high-performance S edition likely to churn out 550 hp and more than 515 lb-ft. Alternatively, there will be a pair of Audi-sourced 3.0-liter V-6 turbo-diesel units rated at about 245 hp and 325 hp. In addition, we'll see an uprated 4.2-liter V-8 TDI, which should muster some 365 hp. Also in the works are two plug-in hybrids, one with a 220-hp four-cylinder and the other with a 330-hp V-6, both hooked to a pair of electric motors that add at least another 135 hp to the grand total.Once the Pajun has been established in the marketplace, Porsche's total production output should exceed 200,000 vehicles per year.

Then, I think about the engines, I think we'll just see the 3.0l V6 60° (300-400 PS) and the 4.0l V8 90° (450-550 PS). The same for the boxer engines, H4 (280-360 PS), H6 (420-540 PS). I don't know where the 3.6l V can come from.

 

[Centurion]

A 3 box shape would be a disaster. For the car to succeed it must have an exotic appeal like a coupe shape.

 

[speed_kills]

So, 911, Cayman, Boxster, Cayenne, Panamera, Pajun and the small Cayenne. It's the VW way, fill every niche with latter type brands.

 

[Levi68]

A 3 box shape would be a disaster. For the car to succeed it must have an exotic appeal like a coupe shape.

The Panamera is ulgy as hell. A 3 box coupé sedan, like the BMW GranCoupé is the best shape possible. Now mix that with the 911/981/918 design and you have a beautiful and sproty 4 door sedan coupé.

So, 911, Cayman, Boxster, Cayenne, Panamera, Pajun and the small Cayenne. It's the VW way, fill every niche with latter type brands.

I don't see it in a negative way. I see it like a BMW/Mercedes-attack.

929: S Class Coupé/Convertible
911: 6 Series Coupé/Convertible, SL Class
Panamera: 7 Series Sedan, 5 Series GT, CLS Class
Pajun: 4 Series Coupé/Convertible/GranCoupé, CLC Class
Cayenne: X5, X6, ML Class, MLC Class
Macan: X3, X4
Boxter/Cayman: 2 Series, Z4, SLK Class
550: Z2
959: SLS
"Golf/Scirocco": 1 Series, A Class




The Pajun Turbo (Sedan/Coupé) might be the biggest the M3 ever had. (Not to forget the next Lexus IS-F also.)

 

[speed_kills]

Porsche shouldn't be a mainstream premium brand like Audi or BMW. Should be a sports car brand with low volume. People cheerish that exclusivity.

 

[Levi68]

It is already long ago Porsche is no more a headturner or an exclusive brand as Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini and Aston Martin. However I wish to own a Porsche more than ever, and more than any of the other exotics, though I like them. I don't say you are wrong, but it is already too late.

 

[SCOTT27]

The Problem with VW is that they are intent to show they could without stopping to think if they should.
Take the Bentley SUV for example. Nobody is denying the potential of such a car because the market exists it was merely a question of judgement. Especially how a car so blatantly ill-conceived and noveau riche in appearance was approved by the VAG board?

A Panamera Junior would work especially because it is a segment that cultivates demand. An entry Porsche below the Boxster does not sit well with the current Porsche strategy - The Boxster should remain the entry car , The Boxster in its current form just oozes that "my first Porsche feeling". The Macan again is something else that cultivates demand because it is a strong prospect for a strong segment and also a growth segment.

 

[klier]

A 3 box shape would be a disaster. For the car to succeed it must have an exotic appeal like a coupe shape.

Are you serious? Both the Cayenne and Panamera are ugly as hell yet they still sell like hotcakes. There's nothing exotic about hose cars, other than the logo.

Martin Winterkorn et al, have some ambitious targets for 2018, and a smaller Panamera could work if they manage to replicate the technical superiority the Panamera has over its peers.

It doesn't have any, other than being a bit newer and thus a bit better..

 

[Deckhook]

It doesn't have any, other than being a bit newer and thus a bit better..

Drive a Panny and then come back and tell me it doesn't feel superior...........until that point this is just babbling, the only negative I can level at the Panny is it's sheer width which on country B roads makes you less confident to push it as hard as it is clearly capable of going.

 

[KiwiRob]

Porsche shouldn't be a mainstream premium brand like Audi or BMW. Should be a sports car brand with low volume. People cheerish that exclusivity.

That's why they have the 911.

 

[Centurion]

Drive a Panny and then come back and tell me it doesn't feel superior...........until that point this is just babbling, the only negative I can level at the Panny is it's sheer width which on country B roads makes you less confident to push it as hard as it is clearly capable of going.

Agreed. Klier is severely discounting how incredible the Panamera is. The 2,000kg+ out runs lighter and more powerful coupes like the DBS and LP560. It's beyond "better" and this is with a 550hp V8 that has been used since the mk.I Cayenne.

Porsche might hav deviated for their two sweater roots but they have done it with class and dignity.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Another render by Autobild:
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/porsche-pajun-shooting-brake-vorschau-3428694.html

Shooting Brake render:

Will arrive the latest in 2017
completely new platform
starting at 65,000 Euros
V6 engines with 320hp, 420hp, 520hp
V6 diesel with 320hp

 

[Centurion]

Another day another Porsche. I'd be vary of snorting these lines of rumors as it's getting out of hand. 2017 is a long time away and much can change in that time.

 

[Deckhook]

Another render by Autobild:
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/porsche-pajun-shooting-brake-vorschau-3428694.html

Shooting Brake render:

Will arrive the latest in 2017
completely new platform
starting at 65,000 Euros
V6 engines with 320hp, 420hp, 520hp
V6 diesel with 320hp

The end of this just reminds me of the new XF Estate.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

Porsche CEO Müller has slammed on the brakes with regard to recent speculation. No sub-Boxster "baby" Porsche, sub-Panamera "Pajun" no earlier than 2017. In addition, sales volume expectations are very high for the soon to be released Audi Q5-based Macan.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Another couple Autobild.de renders:
http://www.autobild.de/bilder/vorschau-porsche-pajun-3429281.html

 

[tristatez28lt1]

http://rumors.automobilemag.com/2018-porsche-pajun-to-rival-benz-cls-144445.html

The Porche Cajun was only recently named the Macan, so we don’t know yet what the badge on the trunk of the production Pajun will read; we do know for sure the bonsai Panamera is an active project. After all, chairman Matthias Müller recently told the German business weekly Wirtschaftswoche that “such a model would make an attractive addition to the range in about five to six years from now.” While the Macan is a joint effort with Audi, home of all Volkswagen Group mid- to full-size crossovers and SUVs, the 193-inch long Pajun is a Porsche through and through.

How the Pajun will stack up
Pajun relies solely on V-6 powerplants. The Audi-sourced 3.0-liter V-6 TDI earmarked for the Pajun is expected to deliver 260 hp (Pajun Diesel) and 320 hp (Pajun Diesel S). Also in the pipeline are two gas 3.0-liter six-cylinder units. The lesser version is believed to churn out 320 hp and 324 lb-ft of torque (Pajun S), while the twin-turbo edition should be good for 420 hp and 413 lb-ft (Pajun Turbo); waiting in the wings is an even more potent Pajun Turbo S motor rated at 520 hp and 501 lb-ft. On the hybrid front, insiders predict a 3.0-liter V-6 paired with a 100-hp electric motor.

Although the Pajun aims at the midsize offerings from Ingolstadt (Audi A6), Munich (BMW 5 Series), and Stuttgart (Mercedes-Benz E-Class), its primary targets are the Audi A7 Sportback, BMW 6 Series Gran Coupe, and Mercedes CLS. Expect two bodystyles: a five-door coupe that looks infinitely better than the hunchback Panamera in late 2016 or early 2017, and a very sporty shooting brake to be released twelve months later. While the next Panamera – due in the fall of 2015 – is expected to hatch coupe and convertible derivatives, there is currently no two-door Pajun on the horizon. The five-door Pajun coupe is said to combine Audi A5 Sportback overtones with Porsche’s own 911-inspired design language. The shooting brake features a third side window, a much longer roofline with integrated spoiler, slim wraparound taillights, a deep tailgate, and a large and fast rear window. Like its Panamera big brother, the smaller model can be optioned up with things like ceramic brakes, dual-clutch PDK transmission, air suspension, four-wheel drive, torque vectoring, sport chrono plus, and an extended choice of driver assistance systems.

Porsche Pajun prices should begin around $80,000 and stretch over $130,000, sources say – an Audi A7 costs less, the BMW 6 Series Gran Coupe costs more. For Porsche, the Pajun is instrumental in reaching its mid-term volume target of 200,000 vehicles per year. Like the Cayenne, Panamera, and Macan, it is bound to further reduce Porsche’s dependence on sports cars.

Timing is tight because the second-generation Panamera and Pajun are both based on a new architecture, dubbed MSB, for modular sports car matrix. The flexibility of MSB is such that it can be front-, mid-, or rear-engine as well as rear- or all-wheel drive. Although MSB is masterminded in Weissach by Porsche, it will also serve Bentley, Lamborghini, and, eventually, Bugatti. What about Audi and the A8, you ask? The next A8, codenamed D5, will again be engineered in Ingolstadt, but in the long run, it may make more sense to pool the premium platforms that would, in phase two, also affect the A6 and A7.

Story by Georg Kacher, Photo Illustrations by Scott Olsen

 

[mini_cooper4]

The first render at the top of the page is simply mind blowing!!!!
Do it that way and not the Panamera way and I'm sold for life!!!!