Discovery 2015: Land Rover Discovery Vision Concept

[Amat46]

How about the next generation GLK

 

[Deckhook]

^Martin go with your gut, the VW is superb and almost as good to drive as the Cayenne. But make sure its got the air suspension because the steel sprung ones are bouncy for rear passengers.

P.S. I believe you can get a chip which allows you to lock the ride height in the lowest setting, it's not that comfortable but looks the dog's nuts then cruising. At least this was what the Porsche dealer told me.

 

[martinbo]

How about the next generation GLK

Taking foreverrrrr. But ja, if I could just get a launch date and some tasty release details and pics then the GLK is definitely a possibility. I just love the current one - had it made it out here in RHD it would've been a different story. Nice, solid vehicle with good offroad capability, it's a pity it didn't set the sales charts alight because of its boxy looks.

 

[klier]

Touareg is off road enough for you?

 

[HighestOfHigh]

I could see myself buying this one. Love the rear and interior.

 

[martinbo]

Touareg is off road enough for you?

Even with steel springs, yip plenty off-road for my needs.

 

[klier]

Is it so much better than cars like X3, Q5 or Macan in off road use? And why?

 

[Deckhook]

The Escape version is the one you really want to get if you do any amount of off-roading, underbody protection and rear diff lock it's the one which will pull you out of just about any hole and it doesn't look any less stylish. But for me the R-Line is a beautiful looking machine with just the right amount of sportiness not to spoil it's simple lines.

 

[martinbo]

Deckhook is right; the off-road package (ours is called Terrain Tech) is the one to go for if serious off-roading capability is wanted. This turns the Touareg into a proper off-road beast.

But even just as standard, the Touareg has great ground clearance (220mm) which bests that of a steel sprung Discovery (185mm) by a fair margin, better approach, departure and breakover angles, can be ordered with a full size spare wheel, has a dedicated off-road mode, 31 degree gradient capability, EDL, standard engine and transmission guard plates and so on. None of which you'll get with X3 or Q5 which are purely urban softroaders.

The new Discovery range better ditch the superfluous waffy fashion sh!t (please no Beckham involvement) and get on with being lifestyle vehicles with genuine versatility and capability.

 

[Kilcrohane]

The new Discovery range better ditch the superfluous waffy fashion sh!t (please no Beckham involvement) and get on with being lifestyle vehicles with genuine versatility and capability.

- may as well wish for world peace too then.

The Touareg is excellent, but it amazes me that Jeep hardly ever gets mentioned in these kinds of discussions.

Thanks to the unrelenting, in-yer-face, over all media outlets propaganda for a certain 'best 4x4 by far' brand, it seems to be forgotten that Jeep is not only a now far more hardcore off-road brand but also a far bigger one, with annual sales of 800,000, as opposed to Land Rover's around 300,000.

The Grand Cherokee, thanks to its common Merc ML underpinnings, is a very good large SUV, although I too would just choose the Touareg over it. The Cherokee is the only medium-sized SUV that has the option of a low-range transfer box. Even the new Renegade has something approaching a 'crawler gear' available.

Once Jeep, with Fiat-Chrysler group's backing, really get going in China, then it's just another nail in the coffin of the overpriced, and increasingly 'all fur coat and no knickers' pseudo off-road brand Land Rover, as it bins the Defender, without a like-for-like replacement, and bets everything on balls-out celebrity association, instead of genuine product excellence, with the ultra naff Victoria/David Beckham-wannabe factor front and centre.

Land Rover binned their sole remaining fig-leaf of pukka off-roading, the Defender, because they said legislation drove it out of business. Then how come both the Jeep Wrangler and Merc G-Wagen will soldier on?

According to Jesmb.de today, Mercedes will invest massively in an extensive facelift to the G-Wagen for 2017, bringing it massively up to date, but still keeping the 'go anywhere' off-road purity, that underpins - with Unimog - ultimately Mercedes' whole off-road credibility.

 

[Deckhook]

- may as well wish for world peace too then.

The Touareg is excellent, but it amazes me that Jeep hardly ever gets mentioned in these kinds of discussions.

Thanks to the unrelenting, in-yer-face, over all media outlets propaganda for a certain 'best 4x4 by far' brand, it seems to be forgotten that Jeep is not only a now far more hardcore off-road brand but also a far bigger one, with annual sales of 800,000, as opposed to Land Rover's around 300,000.

The Grand Cherokee, thanks to its common Merc ML underpinnings, is a very good large SUV, although I too would just choose the Touareg over it. The Cherokee is the only medium-sized SUV that has the option of a low-range transfer box. Even the new Renegade has something approaching a 'crawler gear' available.

Once Jeep, with Fiat-Chrysler group's backing, really get going in China, then it's just another nail in the coffin of the overpriced, and increasingly 'all fur coat and no knickers' pseudo off-road brand Land Rover, as it bins the Defender, without a like-for-like replacement, and bets everything on balls-out celebrity association, instead of genuine product excellence, with the ultra naff Victoria/David Beckham-wannabe factor front and centre.

Land Rover bineed their sole remaining fig-leaf of pukka off-roading, the Defender, because they said legislation drove it out of business. Then how come both the Jeep Wrangler and Merc G-Wagen will soldier on?

According to Jesmb.de today, Mercedes will invest massively in an extensive facelift to the G-Wagen for 2017, bringing it massively up to date, but still keeping the 'go anywhere' off-road purity, that underpins - with Unimog - ultimately Mercedes' whole off-road credibility.

As so often you twist things to suit your argument, Jeep is an America brand and I imagine America is arguably the largest market by a long way for big SUVs so it's to be expected that they will sell more than LandRover especially when you compare US prices for each brand/model.

Oh and how come Jeep Wangler and the G-Wagen are soldiering on, simple the G-Wagen is no longer the bare bones model is originally was and is view as hip to own among the rich and very rich, as for the Wangler well I wonder just how many are sold outside of the US, my guess is if they were to depend on markets other than America it would be long gone.

 

[martinbo]

Jeep has a poor reputation for reliability and after sales service here in SA. Pity, coz the Grand Cherokee is not only handsome, it's also very capable and seemingly well built.

Disco still trumps it in the bundu cred factor though.