F1 2008 Bahrain GP

[Imhotep Evil]

Alonso said he didn't braked but that it was Hamilton that rear ended him (was much faster).

 

[Centurion]

Alonso said he didn't braked but that it was Hamilton that rear ended him (was much faster).

Hamilton's car is off course a whole lot faster, but as we know with race incidents everybody plays the blame game. Let's wait and see if Mclaren files a complaint to the stewards.

Either way it was a fairly boring race when either of the top team are having a terrific week while the other is having the opposite.

 

[Remy Zero]

from my point of view, looked like Hami just lost concentration, and rear ended Alonso.

 

[450SEL6.9]

Ferrari 1-2

It's about time.

I just hope the right Ferrari got the 10-points. It would really stink if Massa gives this great weekend away with another driver error-induced DNF. Still I think it is important because for once Massa did not win from pole.

Alonso said he didn't braked but that it was Hamilton that rear ended him (was much faster).

He might have lifted, but even that I doubt. I would be shocked if he actually hit the brakes. The British commentators kept saying he must have lifted and caused that crash. It's odd because whenever Heikki and Lewis "lift" to bait the driver behind him to send him flying off the road, it's immediately called a clever trick and never dangerous. Like the rest of us, the commentators should wait for telemetry before accusing anyone of sinister driving.

 

[Remy Zero]

nice to welcome BMW into the league of the big boys. congrats. now, they'll win a race, should either Mclaren or Ferrari slip up.

 

[S'Pimp]

 

[S'Pimp]

Mr. SlowHand
Eric Clapton, Bernie (to short) & Kubic

 

[Centurion]

Oh sh*t Akon was there!

 

[Shift507]

So I guess I didn't miss much as I sadly got up by 8AM(local time) and only caught the 3 last laps.

Give me a plate, I have to eat all my words now. But still great for a 3-4 to BMW.

 

[wltsm]

A very pleasing race for the BMW's, looks like they have the pace of the Mclarens, and are a little faster than them! Not very impressed by Hamilton, doesn't always work well under pressure at the starts, like today, and last year at Brazil, and then does something stupid!

Never expected anything but a Ferrari win, glad Massa got the win! I was surprised though that Kimi had less fuel, shows how good Massa's quali lap was!

 

[warot]

Okay guys, this is it, the last day of the honey moon. Now all the teams have had the chance to properly put their new cars to the test, they know where they are on the hierarchy and the drivers are used to the absence of traction control.

A few points of my observations:

-Like we have seen in Malysia and Bahrain the F2008 is blistering fast leaving everyone in the dust. Ferrari has got a superb car and might be untouchable unless Mclaren fix their reliability.

-To be honest I was a bit disappointed with BMW's performance. I expected Kubica so keep Kimi and Massa behind him for at least 5-10 laps. As it looks now BMW won't win the driver's championship or be THE team to beat. But their consistency and capability will allow they to disturb and steal vital point from Mclaren and Ferrari when ever either of the two top teams have one of their usual bad weekends.

-Alonso has a notorious history for foul play and I would love to see his data from the incident with Hamilton. It wouldn't surprise me if the collision was a fabrication of Alonso. Either way that happens when you do a terrible start. Hamilton can't allow himself to drop several point right into the mix. It's very easy to get into trouble with a Red Bull, Honda or Toyota. He did a far worse start compared with the one he did in Malysia.

BMW's have never been good off the line for some reason. The first 3 races, they have been just ok, I don't think they've ever gained positions at the start.

BMW NEVER set out to win the driver's championship or anything like that. We know their goals were to go on podiums and maybe steal a few wins. I don't see how you can say they are THE team to beat... they never claimed to be but have stirred things up.

Let's remember, this is still somewhat of a new team. And they are leading the contructors championship. I think that is a huge leap forward compared to last year. Here's something else that's kinda cool. BMW is the only team that has all podium finishes this year

 

[Centurion]

BMW's have never been good off the line for some reason. The first 3 races, they have been just ok, I don't think they've ever gained positions at the start.

BMW NEVER set out to win the driver's championship or anything like that. We know their goals were to go on podiums and maybe steal a few wins. I don't see how you can say they are THE team to beat... they never claimed to be but have stirred things up.

Let's remember, this is still somewhat of a new team. And they are leading the contructors championship. I think that is a huge leap forward compared to last year. Here's something else that's kinda cool. BMW is the only team that has all podium finishes this year

I don't know but BMW made podium in Australia, set the fastest lap in Malaysia and had pole position yesterday so I anticipated that they would reach climax today. Either way Kubica was a rock star this weekend and got a sense of live in the lime light, it don't remember last time BMW received this much press in F1.

 

[warot]

I don't know but BMW made podium in Australia, set the fastest lap in Malaysia and had pole position yesterday so I anticipated that they would reach climax today. Either way Kubica was a rock star this weekend and got a sense of live in the lime light, it don't remember last time BMW received this much press in F1.

Nah, they don't have quite the pace of the top dogs yet I don't think. However, if you look at the constructors point right now, the top 3 teams have almost 30 points, while number 4 only has 10. Shows that BMW is heading to the right direction.

Funny thing is that SPEED reported that the night before the race, Kubica was just playing poker

 

[EnI]

Team standings:

1. BMW ....... 30pts
2. Ferrari ...... 29pts
3. McLaren ... 28pts











Driver standings:

1. Raikkonen ... 19 pts
2. Heidfeld ..... 16 pts
3. Hamilton .... 14 pts
4. Kubica ....... 14 pts
5. Kovalainen .. 14 pts




I hope BMW will be able to keep the pace ...

 

[Deleted member 25]

During the next GP, things will become much clearer.

 

[Zonda]

A typical Massa win, with the exception of him not starting from pole. Everything went his way, and only then is he able to win.

Great to see BMW and especially Kubica's performance!

 

[Centurion]

He might have lifted, but even that I doubt. I would be shocked if he actually hit the brakes. The British commentators kept saying he must have lifted and caused that crash. It's odd because whenever Heikki and Lewis "lift" to bait the driver behind him to send him flying off the road, it's immediately called a clever trick and never dangerous. Like the rest of us, the commentators should wait for telemetry before accusing anyone of sinister driving.

Martin Brundle was indeed a bit on the offensive with barking at Alonso, but considering Alonso's history of foul play it was slightly justified. I like Brundle, he's a very good commentator and I certainly hope BBC will have someone just as good on board when they take over next year.

 

[450SEL6.9]

Martin Brundle was indeed a bit on the offensive with barking at Alonso, but considering Alonso's history of foul play it was slightly justified. I like Brundle, he's a very good commentator and I certainly hope BBC will have someone just as good on board when they take over next year.

In my opinion, Brundle and Allen too often cross the line with commentary that borders on cheer leading. Anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about, get a clip of James Allen's atrocious call of Jenson Button's only win! I understand they are British, but they are professionals first and foremost.

Murray Walker was a proud Brit, but he wasn't an extreme commentary box nationalist. David Hobbs, who is British and does the Speed TV commentary, is much more objective and professional. He didn't come within a few seconds of today's accident and accuse the leading car of applying some phantom "brake test".

Oh yeah, my Ferrari pillowcase streak is still intact, though I have a feeling the streak ends in Spain! The pillowcase goes into the washing machine tomorrow, but I'll bring it back out for the week of the Spanish GP.

 

[warot]

In my opinion, Brundle and Allen too often cross the line with commentary that borders on cheer leading. Anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about, get a clip of James Allen's atrocious call of Jenson Button's only win! I understand they are British, but they are professionals first and foremost.

Murray Walker was a proud Brit, but he wasn't an extreme commentary box nationalist. David Hobbs, who is British and does the Speed TV commentary, is much more objective and professional. He didn't come within a few seconds of today's accident and accuse the leading car of applying some phantom "brake test".

Oh yeah, my Ferrari pillowcase streak is still intact, though I have a feeling the streak ends in Spain! The pillowcase goes into the washing machine tomorrow, but I'll bring it back out for the week of the Spanish GP.

Yea the SPEEDTV commentators didn't mention anything about a brake test... they actually blamed Hamilton for losing concentration

 

[Imhotep Evil]

On autosport.com Renault have proven that Alonso didn't back up or brake test Hamilton.
They said that the telemetry shows full throttle from the previous corner!
They also compared it to other laps to prove that nothing was fishy. Hamilton basically made a mistake and destroyed both his and Alonso's race (and it was quite a miracle to put the car into 10th because it suffered damage).

"Well, Pat Symonds told me now that rumour, and he has printed now the data to show everybody. It is totally rubbish, but what can I do?"

Autosport.com has seen the telemetry data of Alonso's exit from the first corner, and it shows that the Spaniard was flat on the throttle from the exit, did not touch the brake and gained speed in a totally predictable manner.

Symonds, who is Renault's executive director of engineering, said that Alonso had done nothing to contribute to the accident.

"Fernando was coming out of the turn and accelerating down the straight," explained Symonds. "He reached fifth gear, at 227km/h, on full throttle, no touching of the brakes or anything like that. And you can see on the accelerometer the impact. He got hit from behind.

"I think all I can say from our side is that there is no blame attributable to Fernando, which is what some of the speculation might be. But it does say we are not getting onto the straights very well, we are suffering a bit with traction, engine speed and engine torque."

When asked about the view of some experts in the paddock who believed it could have been a brake test, Symonds said: "Well, they are not as expert as they think then. We have the data and there is nothing untoward there. You don't need to be an expert to see that."

So it's another case of british mediots B*.