Hamilton is a whiney little fart. In fact, Hamilton whines more than Alonso recently. At least Alonso has resigned to having lost the WDC already, meaning he's been less whiney, yet Hamilton continues to whine. For god sakes, he even whines when the FIA side with him. He goes off saying he's going to leave the sport because they are investigating him?! Good god boy, get over yourself.
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Okey I might be biased. But in the end F1 an FIA is f*cked up. Shumi was also a golden boy. He was barely ever punished and when he did the punishment was mild.
Monaco 2006, Schumi sent to the back of the grid for impeding Alonso during qualifying. Mild? I think not.
Looks like Massa thinks that Hamilton somehow gets boosted on a pedastal also: 'Hamilton Did Many Things Behind The Safety Car That Were Wrong And Punishable' :: PaddockTalk :: F1, NASCAR, GP2, Champ Car, IndyCar, ALMS and More! If It Goes Fast...We're Talking About It!!. I don't think many drivers actually like Hamilton (other than Rosberg).
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Shumi's parking stunt was the ugliest act I've ever seen. That was intentional, very unprofessional and disrespectful to all the drivers and F1 itself. Beside getting sent to the back he should have received a pit line driver through as well.
I don't get why Massa is bitching. He's from the team who the helping hand of FIA. They get away with more or less everything. Now it's time for Mclaren to have the Gods on their side.
It's karma baby.
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And Hamilton's driving behind the SC stunt was also ugly, intentional, very unprofessional and disrespectful to all the drivers and F1 itself.
The difference is Schumacher was punished despite less obvious evidence.
The difference is Schumacher was punished despite less obvious evidence.
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No it wasn't. Hamilton never meant for the crash to happen. He was scared into driving on the far right of the track by Webber. Vettel messed up and crashed.
I still stand by my opinion that the crash between Vettel and Webber was stupid and should not have occurred. Hamilton was NOT responsible for it.
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The thing I find most disagreeable about Hamilton is his lack of respect for other drivers. He called backmarkers monkeys after a few races in F1. He has no right to say sh*t like that. If he did not have TOUI's backing all these years, he too would have been a monkeying backmarker to start his career.
Great drivers' comments in Gene's second post. Too many coincidences. Too many drivers have been punished for little knick-knacks here and there, especially Kubica at the last race.
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Okay Luwalira, you've been saying Ferrari has been getting all these great gifts this year without much basis. What has Ferrari gotten away with this year with the help of the FIA?
1) flexi-floor?
- that floor did not fail post-race scrutineering
2) Spy scandal?
- they had their secrets stolen and still some people think they are liable or masterminded it all!
I don't disagree that Ferrari have benefited in the past, but even last year when Schu got that penalty at Monaco there were already murmurs that times were changing.
This year it is Hamilton that has gotten the benefit of every doubt. It is Hamilton that has found himself on the better end of just about everything. Coincidence?
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If Mclaren didn't have Hamilton they wouldn't have been this successful this year. No one benefits more from each other than the other ones. It's all nothing but business.
I can't deny that Hamilton has been a bit on the lucky side in some of this seasons races. Regardless of what has happened it all comes down to performance on the track. Hamilton has been driving exceptionally well and has been strong throughout the year and that is something that can't be taken away from him.
He has delivered more than what was expected of him and will fully deserve the title if he wins it.
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100% agree! Under all circumstances, with all that pressure, the fact being the very 1st time in F1, 1st time trying all tracks/GPs, having double WC as his teammate, ect... He remained focused, concentrated and achieved all of this.
Sorry, hate him as much as you want, blame media and anyone you want, but the fact remains - he's the best this year and deserves the title and i really hope he'll win it.
Waking up at 06:00 tomorrow just to cheer for him and his 1st title.
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Waking up at 06:00 tomorrow just to cheer for him and his 1st title.
Count me in. It will be one race not to miss.
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That's precisely what he wanted. Those maneuvres are for psychological warfare to make those behind make mistakes.
The reason why McLaren went so good this year is because they've got a lot of infused know-how both from Alonso/Renault and Ferrari.
Hamilton wouldn't have made a difference.
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Psychological warfare? LOL
He did the moves for protectionism not to cause a crash. What do you think he is, a witch doctor with wood dolls in his cockpit?
A car is only as good as it's driver. You can have the best car but if you don't have the drivers to take full advantage of it then all the research has been a waste. Both Hamilton and Alonso have played a huge role in Mclarens success this season + other Mclaren employees as well.
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With all due respect, I would have to disagree with your bold claim as much as I have ever disagreed.
If they didn't have Hamilton, they might not have been as successful on the sponsorship and the business end this year, but even this point is questionable. If they didn't have Hamilton, they might have gotten a bigger for Spygate (if Montoya was driving for them, I reckon the penalty would have been crippling).
However, I don't think a rookie driver, even a WDC rookie after tonight, could be so responsible for the team's success on-track this year were it not for the Spanish X-factors. To have on-track success, you first need to have a properly-developed car. How much input did he even have in winter testing? Most people suggest that was mostly Alonso's development work and the arrival of a 2x WDC, which is why Alonso is angry at the team.
I really don't know if Hamilton is really outperforming Alonso during races anymore. I still think he is, but it's not clear because of the favoritism situation. I wonder if the FIA's Spanish members will look into it for Alonso.
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^ I've seen Prost, Senna, Piquet, Schumacher and Co. do dirty things. I think I can recognize when I spot such things, and I know a lot more about F1 then you.
As for Hamilton, put simply without Alonso wouldn't have won any race this year, while the opposite is not true.
^ I've seen Prost, Senna, Piquet, Schumacher and Co. do dirty things. I think I can recognize when I spot such things, and I know a lot more about F1 then you.
As for Hamilton, put simply without Alonso wouldn't have won any race this year, while the opposite is not true.
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I don't hear anyone ever disputing that or disputing that the car would be mediocre without Alonso. Fittipaldi and many others, those who are obviously not speaking out of burning nationalistic pride, have made some very objective comments on Alonso's contribution.
I think the issue has become completely twisted. This is not a referendum on Alonso's behavior. While people won't dispute that Alonso is a great car developer, his personality seemingly nullifies everything he does. The anti-Alonso motto is probably something like, "He's whiner and bastard. Because he is a whiner and bastard, that makes everything else irrelevant. But . . . No buts. His personality cancels all."
Look, I'm trying to be as objective as I can here. Most of you know I dislike Alonso, but his achievements shouldn't be slated for his personality and behavior, especially when there is little evidence to show that many in F1 today and in the past are much better personality-wise than him.
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Hamilton's also I whiner. Remember "I'm no.2" and the "treats to quit" ?!
This isn't anything new.
This isn't anything new.
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Yeah, but his personality doesn't cancel out his achievements; I think Alonso's does. What Alonso has done is disrespected because of his extracurricular race-weekend activities and press statements.
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