Without Chrysler MB may not be big enough to compete globally


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What's ahead for Mercedes? Without Chrysler, some say DCX's luxury unit may not be big enough to compete globally.

Christine Tierney / The Detroit News
STUTTGART, Germany -- If DaimlerChrysler AG sells Chrysler, the German company will look much as it did 20 years ago when it was a small, proud, provincial luxury automaker with a heavy-truck business.
Most DaimlerChrysler investors are jubilant at the prospect of turning the clock back to a time when the company was smaller but more profitable.
For years, German executives have grumbled that the grand expansion strategies of the company's past two chief executives have taken a heavy toll on Mercedes-Benz, DaimlerChrysler's most valuable subsidiary.
Former CEO Juergen Schrempp built a global automotive giant by surrounding Mercedes with mass-market brands such as Chrysler, Dodge, Mitsubishi and Kia. His predecessor, Edzard Reuter, paired Mercedes with aerospace and electrical appliances businesses that lost huge sums of money.
DaimlerChrysler has closed or sold nearly all those businesses, and its stock has surged 30 percent to an eight-year high since CEO Dieter Zetsche signaled in February that a sale of Chrysler was possible.
Yet amid the euphoria, a few voices question whether dismantling the 1998 merger of the former Daimler-Benz and Chrysler is such good news for the German side of the company.
"We are not in favor of a sale of Chrysler," Mark Warnsman, a New York-based analyst for Prudential Equity Group, wrote in a report this week.
Without Chrysler, the rest of the company may not be large enough to compete with huge and efficient global automakers such as Toyota Motor Corp. "Even at the luxury end of the business, scale matters," he said. "In our view, the original merger strategy remains sound, and it is the execution that has lagged."
Mercedes sold 1.25 million vehicles last year, barely more than half of Chrysler's volume and far fewer than the 4 million-unit threshold many industry experts consider the minimum needed to cover the rising costs of environmental and other technologies.
Mercedes' heavy-truck business is the world's largest, but fewer than 600,000 are sold annually. And Mercedes has been far less successful with its Smart small car than rival BMW with its fast-growing Mini brand.
Just as DaimlerChrysler is scaling down, Stuttgart's other carmaker, Porsche, has become a major player by acquiring a controlling stake in Volkswagen AG, Europe's largest carmaker.
"Porsche has installed itself in the driving seat of an automotive empire that includes sports and volume brands, light and heavy commercial vehicles with direct links with leading European truck makers," said European analyst Thomas Ryard at consulting firm Global Insight.
By now, however, most DaimlerChrysler investors don't want to find ways to make the tie-up with Chrysler work. "People want just one option -- the sale of Chrysler," said Frankfurt-based analyst Juergen Pieper of Metzler Bank.
Is company too German?
In the mid-1990s, Daimler-Benz concluded it needed a partner to fend off takeover threats and to expand into new, faster-growing markets.
That logic is still valid, says Gerald Meyers, former chairman of American Motors Corp. who now teaches at the University of Michigan. "It's what we teach in business school -- get a footprint that covers the three main regions of the world," he said. "Schrempp had a great strategic idea, but the culture didn't accept it."
A former Mercedes manager said the resistance in the luxury carmaker's ranks developed when Mercedes was integrated into the Daimler-Benz holding company in the late 1990s and lost its autonomy.
"From that time, people who had no idea how to produce cars were drafting budgets, setting cost targets and prices for parts," he said. Mercedes managers partly blame the steep deterioration in vehicle quality in subsequent years to mismanagement by Daimler-Benz.
While Most German investors and auto experts believe Mercedes will be better off without Chrysler, some express a sense of failure. At the German Institute for Economic Research in Berlin, forecasting chief Alfred Steinherr said Daimler may not have been up to the task of managing a global auto company. "Whenever they've tried to extend to other areas and products that don't have anything in common with the ones they usually produce, it's a flop," Steinherr said.
He questions whether Daimler is simply "too German" to be a truly global company and wonders how DaimlerChrysler might have evolved if the company had taken up Schrempp's idea to move its headquarters to New York.
Going back to roots
Zetsche moved DaimlerChrysler headquarters back across town to Untertürkheim, where Mercedes is based, from a modern complex in Möhringen, in a transfer that held huge significance for Mercedes' workers, engineers and managers. After two difficult years and a painful restructuring, Mercedes earned $3.2 billion last year on sales of $72 billion.
"We've also made big strides in quality," Zetsche told shareholders. The number of errors per vehicle is down by a fourth; warranty costs are down dramatically.
Mercedes managers say the culture has changed profoundly since the late 1980s, when "we were a little arrogant," one said. "We understand that the competitive environment has changed."
BMW has overtaken Mercedes in worldwide sales, and Toyota's Lexus is the No. 1 luxury brand in the United States, the world's most lucrative car market. VW's Audi is rapidly closing the gap with BMW and Mercedes, and General Motors Corp. has revitalized Cadillac.
DaimlerChrysler without Chrysler would be much smaller, but most auto analysts and company executives feel it would be less vulnerable to a takeover. Analyst Pieper says large companies are not protected against takeovers if they have valued assets -- such as Mercedes -- that can be broken out.
"The best weapon against a takeover," he said, "is to make a fine, expensive company."




Source: Detroit News
 
I agree, total crap. MB is supportig Chrysler and losing money because of them. MB was and will be succesfull and competitif company.:eusa_clap
 
"DCX's luxury unit may not be big enough to compete globally."

Huh???

Daimler-Benz have been competing globally since it was founded in 1926 ...I can't see it being a problem now.
 
Without Chrysler, the rest of the company may not be large enough to compete with huge and efficient global automakers such as Toyota Motor Corp.


I don't know much about business management or economics, so what i am going to say may not make sense.


Does MB need to compete with huge and efficient Toyota Motor Corp? Even with Chrysler, DaimlerChrysler cannot compete with Toyota. It is easier for Toyota to achieve efficiency and market share because their target customers in general have fewer demands as long as their cars is reliable. It is rather difficult for MB because they are the technology and safety leader, any new design and tech will have massive initial cost. Toyota has no such problem, they can keep on designing and making average cars and people will happily buy them because they are easier to satisfy.

At the end, it is the products that matters, if the company produce attractive products, and with effective marketing, people will buy their products. Witness Mazda, they use to make boring cars back in the late 1990s and their sale number suffered, but ever since their new generation of cars were launched back in late 2001, sales have really taken off, Mazda maintain the sale momentum with the launch of the "zoom-zoom" marketing campaign.

Chrysler should really learn from Mazda, they should really put more effort into designing and engineering their cars, forget the short tearm profit gain, they should really plan ahead.
 
Daimler-Benz have been competing globally since it was founded in 1926 ...I can't see it being a problem now.
Exactly! After all, who says that MB want's to overtake Toyota in global sales?
 
This is ridiculous, considering that Chrysler is the one that brought Mercedes down to the ditch in the first place.
 
lol the dude that wrote this.. should lay off his job.. haha

ohh sorry.. this explains it:
Christine Tierney---

LOL:D
 
Mercedes-Benz should sell Chrysler and Smart and shut down Maybach subsidiary. Then they will be able to focus again in what they can do best. Make top notch mass market luxury cars.
 
It's clear that Mrs. Christine Tierney is either an absolute imbecile or biblically, utterly, utterly misinformed. Someone should send her an e-mail, to be careful and check her facts right before writing an article about the world's most well-renowned brand ever to grace this universe.

Mercedes-Benz always have been a global brand, way before some crazy math professor, by the name of Jürgen Schrempp decided it would be a good idea to buy an spoiled American lemon nine years ago.



DAIMLERCHRYSLER DESPARATELY DITCHES DIRE DIVISION

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Dr Zetsche trying to get rid of some more problems, yesterday

An American Mercedes buyer got more than he bargained for this week when he opened the boot of his brand new E-class to find someone had left Chrysler in it! Cock Hamburglar of Arizona had just collected his shiny new car from Grunting Mercedes in Scottsdale and was on his way home when he heard a strange noise coming from the back of the car. "It sounded metallic, kinda like car production in under-capacity factories," Mr Hamburglar said later. "But it was overlaid with this whining sound, sorta like the noise you get when your pensions burden exceed your profit projections. So I stopped to take a look in the trunk and I simply could not believe my eyes. It was the entire Chrysler Corporation! Well, I turned right around and headed straight back to the Benz showroom so they could remove it before it started getting inadequate model development and low quality standards all over my trunk carpet".

Mr Hamburglar's misfortune might initially seem to be nothing more than a simple accident. In fact, there is growing evidence that it may be the latest in Mercedes-Benz's increasingly elaborate attempts to get rid of its American division. Two weeks before the ailing car maker turned up in a retiree's boot police in Michigan reported apprehending two men with "strong German accents" trying to throw several sizeable objects into the Detroit River. "Our officers noticed the men attempting to hoist a sack over bridge railings at approximately 1:30am," said a police sspokmean. "The sack appeared to contain two under-utilised automobile production facilities under heavy union control. In the open trunk of a nearby vehicle officers observed several other sacks, at least one possibly containing full size clay models of unattractive cars crudely saddled with generic styling cues of a retro nature, and 20,000 unsold Jeep Commanders. Upon being approached, the two men fled in their vehicle, openly sobbing".

Meanwhile, only this week staff at John F. Kennedy airport prized open a suspicious left luggage locker to find it had been stuffed with financially crippling healthcare commitments and 30,000 unsold Jeep Commanders. Furthermore, at this week's New York motor show DaimlerChrysler boss Dr Dieter Zetsche was seen acting suspiciously around other car maker's stands before clearly abandoning a large briefcase near to the BMW display. When the case was returned to him, Dr Zetsche initially tried to deny all knowledge that it was his, a plee he swiftly retracted when the briefcase was opened and found to contain woeful inefficiency and a failure to anticipate trends towards smaller vehicles in the US and global non-premium markets. "All of this means nothing," said a DaimlerChrysler pskoesman later. "We are talking to a number of parties interesting in Chrysler and there is no suggestion that we literally can't give it away".


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This is ridiculous, considering that Chrysler is the one that brought Mercedes down to the ditch in the first place.

That may be true, Chrysler might be responsible for throwing them in, but Daimler-Benz were certainly digging the ditch well before Chrysler got involved. ;)
 
That may be true, Chrysler might be responsible for throwing them in, but Daimler-Benz were certainly digging the ditch well before Chrysler got involved. ;)

LOL... Well, they should be cruising the freeway soon, not sulking in some ditch... Thanks God! :D
 
"DCX's luxury unit may not be big enough to compete globally."

Huh???

Daimler-Benz have been competing globally since it was founded in 1926 ...I can't see it being a problem now.

Correct, I feel the same way as you, Rob. :eusa_thin

With Chrysler sold off, Mercedes will have less problems to worry about and managers can focus precious resources (finances especially) to revitalizing Benz cars and improving quality.

Also, I don't think that Mercedes will be in worse shape alone. Rather, I think they'll be in better shape. They can focus on Mercedes cars and Mercedes cars alone, and not having to worry or fund Chrysler etc. Why should Mercedes compete with Toyota globally? Toyota is a mainstream brand with cheaper prices and a consumer base with different demands. Toyota consumers want value, reliability and a car to get them from A to B. Nobody buys a Toyota because of emotions, because Toyota's are boring cars for people who are not passionate about cars. Mercedes is a luxury brand, especially globally and consumers here tend to be both enthusiasts or badge snobs. Either way, the wants and needs between Toyota and Mercedes customers are different, very different. Toyota does not compete with Mercedes. Never has, never will.

Lexus is the only threat to Mercedes, particularly in the North American market. Globally, Mercedes has a very strong position that I don't see Lexus matching anytime soon, if ever. The average world citizen cares about one thing when he buys a luxury car: status. A BMW or Benz or Jaguar or Rolls Royce etc. gives you status. Lexus? Not even on the list. Let's not forget that Lexus leads sales in the US thanks to the Toyota Harrier...I mean Lexus RX! Most of them are bought by women too, and I am willing to bet that most of these women have not the slightest clue about cars but got excited because the RX "looks good" (I think it looks like sh*t) and can carry little Jim and Johnny to soccer practice around the block etc. - and because it was cheaper than an X5 or ML etc.

So Mercedes has to fight Lexus, BMW, Audi, Acura, Infiniti, Cadillac, Lincoln, Jaguar and perhaps soon Hyundai in North America. Fair game, but worldwide, Mercedes has a strong position over the Japanese and American luxury brands and I am willing to say even over Audi and BMW.

And as we read, their truck division is quite successful, despite the high prices and this also applies to models like the Sprinter and Unimog, espensive, but they sell. The Mercedes truck division is well represented in Japan, South America, Southern Africa and Europe (not sure about Australia).

About the Smart brand, I used to think that lowering prices and adding more equipment as standard was the key to making them profitable. But now, I am thinking that perhaps Smart should be killed off - or sold off. Seriously, there are much better Korean and Japanese alternatives out there that offer more space, more options for less money and superior fuel economy. Against these, an overpriced Smart has no chance.

Maybach? Maybach has potential, I feel, but it is a money blower. Right now I have no thoughts on what should be done with Maybach. Perhaps an ultra low production model? I don't know at the moment.
 
The Smart was a brilliant idea ...dreamed up before the Chrysler PT Cruiser, VW Beetle, and new Mini. But unfortunately they have failed to take a genius idea and make it work.

The French could do a brilliant job with a product like Smart.

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The Smart was a brilliant idea ...dreamed up before the Chrysler PT Cruiser, VW Beetle, and new Mini. But unfortunately they have failed to take a genius idea and make it work.

I agree.

The Smart concept was brilliant, but the final product offered too little and was incredibly overpriced. Customers felt that you didn't get enough car for what you paid for the Smart.

Now, Smart is synonymous with OVERPRICED. :D
 
Mercedes-Benz should sell Chrysler and Smart and shut down Maybach subsidiary. Then they will be able to focus again in what they can do best. Make top notch mass market luxury cars.

And VW needs to sell Audi! NOT!

Mercedes-Benz should keep Maybach, just like VW should keep Audi. I think what Mercedes needs to do is make Maybach more distinct and perhaps introduce a small model like Bentley did, without it competiting with the S-class. The Maybach Excelero was a good idea that they should follow through with. It was a bold and creative design. Maybach is equal to Rolls and passes Bentley in Luxury. They just have a much stronger history the Maybach and that is what is hurting. (Hopefully a coupe soon)

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You see HOH, I don't think Maybach does surpass Bentley for luxury. In many respects Bentley is still the most luxurious of the three. It is the only one which offers a genuine bespoke service. They will literally do anything the client requests. Maybach and Rolls-Royce would love us all to think that no two Maybachs or Phantoms are ever the same ...give me a break.

Having said that, I would most likely choose the Phantom overall. I think it is the most exciting car produced by the three manufacturers.
 
You see HOH, I don't think Maybach does surpass Bentley for luxury. In many respects Bentley is still the most luxurious of the three. It is the only one which offers a genuine bespoke service. They will literally do anything the client requests. Maybach and Rolls-Royce would love us all to think that no two Maybachs or Phantoms are ever the same ...give me a break.

Having said that, I would most likely choose the Phantom overall. I think it is the most exciting car produced by the three manufacturers.

Service is one thing and I am not trying to down Bentley in any way. I would surely pick the Arnage over any German vehicle (S-class, 7 series, A8). but, the amount of technology and equipment in the Maybach is far greater then the current Arnage. Now the one that is suppose to come out before 2010 will probably be better. The only thing that is probably hurt Maybach is the design (getting outdated) and the lack of history.

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Regardless, I don't see Mercedes-Benz falling because of Chrysler. Benz can stand on it's own.
 
Oh no doubt HOH the Maybach is packed with tech ...but that is not what real luxury is all about otherwise we would be comparing fully-loaded Toyotas and Hondas with these top luxury cars.

Real luxury is about aesthetics -- and the Bentley really has that side of things over Maybach. The Arnage's interior has atmosphere and character -- the Maybach has every amenity in the known universe but it just doesn't evoke much emotion.

HOH, we have had arguments about the Maybach in the past. Since that time I have grown to quite like it, it is a beautifully made machine and does live up to its hype in many ways ...but I still am bugged by the fact that the S65 offers pretty much the same (and perhaps in some ways more) for a vastly more reasonable price.
The interior of that Maybach 62 S looks a bit like a jet interior -- it is nice but the B/W theme does look slightly chintzy -- a bit like a tacky (but expensive) Las Vegas hotel suite. I have seen some pretty awful Phantom interiors too.
 

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