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RikfromBelgium
Das Beste Enthusiast
I agree, or silverlight, don't forget that.
IMO, the looks are bang on, it's fresh, inventive, the zune phone I always liked. I want it on my brilliant HD2-screen ( so far, things are looking good concerning that, lot's of rumors, pictures, the us launch in april ...)
HOWEVER, I have my thoughts about the os, I fear it could be as restricted as the iPhone OS, the reason I returned to winmo in the first place. Where is the settings menu, the folders, the endless tweaking and setting. I want to create my own playlists, add them on the phone, the way I like them. I want to delete stuff ON the phone, I want to play divx files, or install coreplayer, install tomtom ... in other words, It must remain WINDOWS, if not, I'm affraid I'll be lost for many decades since winmo was the last one to offer this.
This is all very new, and who knows, these items might all surface in a month ( MIX), but I'm following this very closely. First good thing I found is wifi-syncing, that is good.
IMO, the looks are bang on, it's fresh, inventive, the zune phone I always liked. I want it on my brilliant HD2-screen ( so far, things are looking good concerning that, lot's of rumors, pictures, the us launch in april ...)
HOWEVER, I have my thoughts about the os, I fear it could be as restricted as the iPhone OS, the reason I returned to winmo in the first place. Where is the settings menu, the folders, the endless tweaking and setting. I want to create my own playlists, add them on the phone, the way I like them. I want to delete stuff ON the phone, I want to play divx files, or install coreplayer, install tomtom ... in other words, It must remain WINDOWS, if not, I'm affraid I'll be lost for many decades since winmo was the last one to offer this.
This is all very new, and who knows, these items might all surface in a month ( MIX), but I'm following this very closely. First good thing I found is wifi-syncing, that is good.
Osnabrueck
G-Class Explorer
It'll be interesting to see where Silverlight goes. It's a very "partisan" plug-in coming from Microsoft... but can do a great many things better and more efficiently than Flash.
But then Flash is very entrenched. I don't think people realize exactly how entrenched it is, because when they browse on a mobile device they're often getting kicked to a condensed, non-flash version of the site they're dialing up.
HTML5 will get off the ground as a great video delivery tool for bloggers and hobbyists but has a long, long way to go as a something that becomes the standard for large-scale site.
But then Flash is very entrenched. I don't think people realize exactly how entrenched it is, because when they browse on a mobile device they're often getting kicked to a condensed, non-flash version of the site they're dialing up.
HTML5 will get off the ground as a great video delivery tool for bloggers and hobbyists but has a long, long way to go as a something that becomes the standard for large-scale site.
siko
Tire Trailblazer
Yes
I think Silverlight support is a given... considering it's a Microsoft technology.
bmer
Tire Trailblazer
Update: Gartner predicts the Windows Phone 7 will be a flop. From Information Week:
PC World is also very pessimistic:
5 Reasons the Windows Phone 7 Will Fail - PCWorld Business Center
Full article:Windows Phone 7 Will Flounder, Gartner Predicts -- InformationWeek
PC World is also very pessimistic:
5 Reasons the Windows Phone 7 Will Fail - PCWorld Business Center
Cashmere
RPM Ruler
since we are on the topic of mobile OS
Android is number one OS among US phone buyers over the last six months -- Engadget
IMO, its going to be really difficult form WP7 to get a significant market share in this industry. Lets see how it pans out.
Android is number one OS among US phone buyers over the last six months -- Engadget
IMO, its going to be really difficult form WP7 to get a significant market share in this industry. Lets see how it pans out.
siko
Tire Trailblazer
#4 on that list is a deal-breaker for me... rest is debatable. I mean I know the iPhone only recently supported tethering, but coming late in to the game, means you gotta support at least all current technology. TO be clear, whoever wrote that is not correct, tethering is not supported at launch, so it will come eventually.
It will be tough for MS, if they cut crucial features they have no chance... even if the interface is as cool as they say.
I'll see what the final product will look like, anyhow there's always Android phones to replace my POS iPhone.
It will be tough for MS, if they cut crucial features they have no chance... even if the interface is as cool as they say.
I'll see what the final product will look like, anyhow there's always Android phones to replace my POS iPhone.
Centurion
Apex Apex Predator
Cellphone manufacturers should kiss Google's arse because Adroid has come to their rescue is a dredging war against Apple. The future for cellphones looked bleak 18 month ago when iPhone sales were sky rocketing while rivals Samsung, Nokia and SE were clueless as to how to innovate and compete.
However, Android is only a temporary solution to a long term problem -- in fact, Android good for Apple but bad for it's rivals. Smartphones are becoming commodities: They run the same ARM processor, similar screens from Hitachi/LG and feature the same OS. It's becoming a parts bin business. The Samsung Galaxy is borderline indistinguishable from HTC's best phones. What you can expect is one hell of a price war next year when the Android train has reached the stage of maturity. Near identical Android phones and tablets will all competing for the same buck. It will suffer a similar fate as the PC market did for 5-10 years ago, propting IBM to make the smart decision to pull out of the market.
Meanwhile Apple will comfortably be able to sell products at premium prices because they have something unique and that's not shared. This is the exact reason why Nokia hasn't adopted Adroid because it would completely erode the Nokia brand. It's not sustainable in the long run for anyone other than Google and its world domination plans.
NarutoRamen
Kraftwagen König
I don't agree with that, but I don't have enough time to go into a counter argument.
All I will say is take a look at Windows OS and the computers it's on.
Top Secret
Autobahn Adventurer
I don't agree with that, but I don't have enough time to go into a counter argument.
All I will say is take a look at Windows OS and the computers it's on.
Agreed. Maybe in terms of vanilla software, Android phones will share many similarities, but hardware is a whole 'nother ballgame where manufacturers can duke it out.
Centurion
Apex Apex Predator
Hardware is becoming a vanilla game as well. Main components are sourced from the same suppliers. Go play with a Samsung Galaxy or a Motorola Droid X and a top HTC phone and you'll get a taste of the direction of things and how mobile phones from various brand are coverging to simply becoming "Android phones". Th
With Win Phone 7 coming into the frame laster this month there will be a bit more choice but it won't help manufacturers distinguish themselves from each other. They will simply develop a phone and make it available in both Android and Win Phone 7 flavour.
It will be hard for Adroid using brands to sell products at a higher price than rivals. This is what will essentially push the prices downwards and shrink the margins. Apple are sitting on stockpile of billions thanks to having proprietary hardward, software and are able to charge a premium for it. Don't be surprised to see one or two actors pull out of the market and I suspect LG or SE will be one of the first to departure. That is unless they manage to develop their own OS that can successfully compete with IOS, Android or Win Phone 7. Similar examples from the PC industry are Packard Bell, Compaq and Fujitsu Siemens who's comsumer PC manufacturing is either in the ashes or had to sell their computer divisions to a rival.
There is no need for cellphone manufacturers to panic now but 2012 will be the judgment year when there will sharp swords crossed on the Android market. For Nokia the blood is already dripping as they are struggling with getting Meegoo to market and key top executives are in exodus. HP though, have a prosperous future with Web OS which I look forwards to sseing on tablets.
bmer
Tire Trailblazer
Has MS put out an official statement about this? This is the latest I've seen:
Microsoft: Windows Phone 7 actually doesn't support tethering -- Engadget
The AT&T part is wrong since T-Mobile will also get it soon (if not from the launch).
The most important features that WP7 will be missing when it launches:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Windows-Phone-7-Will-Lack-Flash-Multitasking-CDMA-at-Launch-151310/
siko
Tire Trailblazer
Clarification on multitasking... it is supported on the OS side... it's not yet supported on 3rd party apps. And again, full multitasking is expected shortly after release.
Now I still find it lame that most these features won't be present at launch... but most of the tech blogs are exaggerating some of the issues.
Pretty sure i read it from the same MS source that said it is not supported at launch (sorry 3 am here, don't feel like looking
).
Now I still find it lame that most these features won't be present at launch... but most of the tech blogs are exaggerating some of the issues.
Pretty sure i read it from the same MS source that said it is not supported at launch (sorry 3 am here, don't feel like looking
).
Centurion
Apex Apex Predator
Neither Android nor IOS offered a "I-can-do-it-all"-experience at launch. There is a learning curve for manufacturers, consumers, developers and the OS maker. Features will be added as MS learns how consumers interact with the OS and how apps are integrated into the OS.
go0gle
Tarmac Traveler
Windows phone 7 has a chance to make a difference. It is missing a lot of core functionality for my liking, but I am sure a lot of people will like the simplistic approach, pioneered by Apple's iOS. The real "war" here will be between WinPhone 7 and iOS. Android (soon to be) and Symbian are beyond reach in terms of market share.
Nokia's (Symbian OS) market share is so large, that it is really difficult to maintain. They will loose market share, it will probably go down to around 30% and it will linger there for a long time. Symbian and Nokia are in good shape for at least another 5 years. If you look at Symbian ^3, you would find it very difficult to find anything that it can't do compared to iOS and Android. Nokia N8 and E7 (symbian 3) will sell very well, excluding the US market where iOS and Android are heavily subsidized from Verizon and At&t, which is part of why their market share has gained so much in the past 3 years in the first place. Nokia said that they have received record number of pre-orders for the Nokia N8 here in the US and globally. And this is all on the software front, in terms of reception and voice/call quality in general, no one can touch Nokia.
Here is a good review of the Windows phone 7 OS
Windows Phone 7 OS review: From scratch - GSMArena.com
at a glance:
Key features:
Premium mobile OS (high minimum hardware requirements) (lets hope it doesn't have a negative effect on battery life)
Clean, uncluttered interface with distinctive design language
Easy and thumbable user interface
Smooth operation with cool animations and transition effects (They've managed to put more eye candy in there than iOS and Android combined!)
A fresh start with no legacy support needed
Backed up and developed by one of the largest software companies in the world
Excellent MS Office mobile implementation (very well done, iOS, Symbian, and Android are nowhere near that)
Top-notch social integration (This where I think the OS will shine)
Excellent cloud services integration (SkyDrive, Windows Live, Xbox Live) (Great job!)
Main disadvantages:
No system-wide file manager (Symbian and Android have it, core function that I can't live without)
No videocalling (According to Jobs, Apple came up with the idea...
, Symbian has been able to do that for years)Limited third-party apps (Maybe at first, but Microsoft know how to attract developers. Symbian supporst QT now, more developers will come on board, Android is doing very well but it doesn't have native programs)
No Bluetooth file transfers (core function that Symbian, Android, and iOS have. Nokia N8 supports Bluetooth 3.0)
No USB mass storage mode (Symbian and Android have it. Symbian supports USB on the GO as well)
No memory card support (this is just silly)
No multitasking (Symbian is king. Android does well. iOS tries)
No copy paste (no comment. it is 2010..)
Too dependent on Zune software for computer file management and syncing (Symbian and Android give you way more freedom at what and how you can transfer between your phone and your PC. Zune = iTunes. No for me.)
No music player equalisers
No Flash or Silverlight support in the web browser (Android is king. Symbian has flash lite, full flash soon)
No sign of free Bing maps Navigation so far (Nokia rules with Ovi Maps, preloaded maps, free voice sat nav. No one else offers this for free. Android very close with their cloud based google maps)
No DivX/XviD video support (Symbian 3 (nokia N8) has it out of the box. Don't know about Android.
A lot of this will improve over time but for now... i won't buy one.
Nokia N8 review for anyone interested:
http://bit.ly/bdt4c9
go0gle
Tarmac Traveler
omnia hd 7 review and videos. Well done MS
YouTube - Samsung Omnia 7 Pictures and Music&Video demo!
Samsung I8700 Omnia 7 review: A whole new galaxy - GSMArena.com
YouTube - Samsung Omnia 7 Pictures and Music&Video demo!
Samsung I8700 Omnia 7 review: A whole new galaxy - GSMArena.com
Centurion
Apex Apex Predator
It's no different from the iPad at launch this February. I had no interest in the product but post-IOS 4.1 my interest had matured into admiration. Still I'm not ready to buy one until the second itteration which will come will quite a few features that are deal breaking to me.
Being an early adopter is don't advised for completely new products or software. I'd say it will take half a year for WP7 to blossom. MS are going about this with caution trying not to throw every vegetable in the pot like they've done with previously phone OS, which did everything but extremly poorly. Where the big money will be is in the tablet market. If MS manage to port this to a tablet with adapted Office support, they can make some serious damage to Apple's domination -- especially when MS has such an unparalled relationship with manufacturers and software developers. Dissapointingly they are pushing Win 7 for tablets.
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