VW ID R to target Nurburgring EV Record

[Deleted member 1071]

Do you not think the I.D has demonstrated satisfactory reliability during testing?

"Reliability" may be a more pliable term in this particular context. From what I've understood, the numerous software problems experienced do not pertain to absolutely vital functions per se and can theoretically be relatively quickly addressed via updates (not unsimilar to how Tesla has approached these sorts of issues). VAG powers-that-be have been categorically dismissing speculation that deliveries may be delayed by up to one year, instead citing "late summer" at the very latest-if at all. One issue that VW must come to terms with is the assimilation of some well-over 1000 recently hired additional software developers. Another issue is a number of I.D. customers that will not be amused that numerous software functions ordered may not be available at delivery, but must be "added later" in the form of online updates.

 

[Centurion]

"Reliability" may be a more pliable term in this particular context. From what I've understood, the numerous software problems experienced do not pertain to absolutely vital functions per se and can theoretically be relatively quickly addressed via updates (not unsimilar to how Tesla has approached these sorts of issues). VAG powers-that-be have been categorically dismissing speculation that deliveries may be delayed by up to one year, instead citing "late summer" at the very latest-if at all. One issue that VW must come to terms with is the assimilation of some well-over 1000 recently hired additional software developers. Another issue is a number of I.D. customers that will not be amused that numerous software functions ordered may not be available at delivery, but must be "added later" in the form of online updates.

Teething issues are to be expected. The extent of them and whether they can be permanently resolved for 1st MY cars remain to be seen.

VAG's internal governance and processes will be crucial in delivering hardware and software that meet consumers expectations. Hopefully they are not doing sub system optimisation like the television industry have in the first years of "smart TVs". Hardware and software teams have not shared common goals or worked cross functionally enough.

The worst example was Sony's Android based smart TVs. Initial software problems were so bad that I avoided buying a TV with a fantastic hardware. On Sony's website there were customer issue threads that were 500 pages long. Sony were pointing the finger at Google, while Google was pointing the finger at Sony. It was a mess and some "smart TV" with a plethora of connected featured still have major software problems.

Thankfully I managed to buy one of the last dumb 4K which doesn't freeze, restart randomly or require never-ending software updates. I use the Apple TV as the brain for streaming.

I would personally not touch a 1st MY electric car unless the drivetrain and software have been tried and tested for years in other models.

 

[Rolf]

Nico Rosberg just gone around the N-Ring F1 track and it was mind blowing quick even in the wet conditions. The VW test driver who did 6:05 In it at N-Ring said it accelerates from 0-100kmh in 1,65sec!!! And he was saying it’s got F1 level of downforce and grip

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[Deleted member 1071]

The ID.R is an immensely important "rolling laboratory" for VAG. Currently, one of the most significant test platforms for the companys' future BEV technologies (e-motors, battery cells, cooling solutions, etc.).

 

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[Matski]

The ID.R is an immensely important "rolling laboratory" for VAG. Currently, one of the most significant test platforms for the companys' future BEV technologies (e-motors, battery cells, cooling solutions, etc.).

I'd really like to see it do an endurance run just to set a current reference, Dumas has shown its speed (Nico's lap may or may not have been flat out, but is a little slower than a GT3 car), I'm curious at this current level how close (or far) we are from a race distance.

 

[klier]

The ID.R is an immensely important "rolling laboratory" for VAG. Currently, one of the most significant test platforms for the companys' future BEV technologies (e-motors, battery cells, cooling solutions, etc.).

As relevant as an F1 car to a VW Golf

 

[Deleted member 1071]

As relevant as an F1 car to a VW Golf

Of course, in terms of packaging, passenger accomodation, aerodynamics, etc., the relevance is at best highly questionable. But focusing solely on the electric powertrain (batteries, e-motors, sensors, cooling), my novice mind leads me to believe that much can actually be translated into something that is very relevant regarding mass-produced passenger BEVs'.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

I'd really like to see it do an endurance run just to set a current reference, Dumas has shown its speed (Nico's lap may or may not have been flat out, but is a little slower than a GT3 car), I'm curious at this current level how close (or far) we are from a race distance.

It seems to me it was quite flat out, but Rosberg says in the video that it was wet (hard to see in the video)

 

[Deleted member 1071]

It seems to me it was quite flat out, but Rosberg says in the video that it was wet (hard to see in the video)

A bit of spray can be detected exiting the partially open front wheel wings. In another video, a formidable spray trail can be seen exiting from underneath/the back of the car. Indeed, a greasy and predominantly wet circuit.

 

[Matski]

It seems to me it was quite flat out, but Rosberg says in the video that it was wet (hard to see in the video)

I think with the track being slippery and there not being anything much to gain Nico might not have been at 100% - not worth stacking the car for a few YouTube hits. In any case, that kind of speed is still respectable for a decent racing car. I'm just really curious to see how long/far it can sustain it for, and how it drops off.

 

[Sunny]

I'd really like to see it do an endurance run just to set a current reference, Dumas has shown its speed (Nico's lap may or may not have been flat out, but is a little slower than a GT3 car), I'm curious at this current level how close (or far) we are from a race distance.

The version used at the ring used 25kwh to do the record lap. It had 45-kWh maximum battery capacity. So maybe 2 laps as is. They do change the battery size/characteristics to optimize for the task.

Volkswagen said on Friday that the ID R consumed just 24.7-kWh of battery power during its trip around the 'Ring, about 55% of its 45-kWh maximum battery capacity. The automaker pointed out that this is equivalent to 25% of the energy a GT3-class race car requires to get around the 12.92-mile Nordschleife. Of the energy the ID R used in its record-breaking lap, 9.2% came through brake regeneration.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/vw-id-r-record-nurburgring-nordschleife-run-details/#:~:text=Volkswagen%20said%20on%20Friday%20that,45%2DkWh%20maximum%20battery%20capacity

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