Toyota / Lexus recalling 3.8m vehicles over pedal-jamming floor mats!


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Toyota Plans Biggest Recall as Mats May Jam Pedals


By Angela Greiling Keane and Alan Ohnsman


Sept. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Toyota Motor Corp. plans its biggest U.S. recall because of a defect that may cause floor mats to jam down the accelerator pedal on vehicles including the top-selling Camry and certain Lexus models.

The floor coverings shouldn’t be replaced with other mats, according to a Transportation Department statement yesterday. The issue is “critical” and affects about 3.8 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles, according to Toyota City, Japan-based Toyota.
The automaker told U.S. dealers two weeks ago to inspect how floor mats are installed after a California Highway Patrol officer and three family members died in a crash in a Lexus that may have had a jammed accelerator. The recall may add to Toyota’s struggles after a 29 percent plunge in U.S. sales this year, its worst such slump in the market.
“Toyota considers this a very critical matter and will soon launch a safety campaign on specific Toyota and Lexus vehicles,” Irv Miller, group vice president for Toyota’s U.S. sales unit, said yesterday on a conference call with reporters.

Toyota plans a formal recall, the Transportation Department’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said.

“For everyone’s sake, we strongly urge owners of these vehicles to remove mats or other obstacles that could lead to unintended acceleration,” Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said in the statement.


Japan Investigations

Toyota is also conducting investigations in Japan, said Yuta Kaga, a Tokyo-based spokesman for the carmaker. Kyodo News reported earlier that Toyota may extend the U.S. recall to Japan, citing the company.
“We are yet unable to identify the cause of the accidents, and we are conducting investigations in regions including Japan,” Kaga said. Floor mats used in the Camrys are only sold in the U.S., according to the carmaker.
Toyota fell 0.8 percent to 3,540 yen as of 12:51 p.m. in Tokyo trading, while the Topix index rose 0.2 percent.

The vehicles affected by the recommendation are Toyota’s 2007-2010 Camry sedans, 2005-2010 Avalon sedans, 2004-2009 Prius hybrids, 2005-2010 Tacoma pickups, 2007-2010 Tundra pickups and Lexus’s 2007-2010 ES 350 and 2006-2010 IS 250 and IS 350 sedans.
The U.S.-built Camry is the market’s bestselling passenger car, and the Prius is the world’s most popular hybrid-electric model based on sales volume.

If drivers encounter a problem with an accelerator stuck due to the floor mat, they should first try to dislodge the mat, Miller said. If that doesn’t work, they should step on the brake with both feet, he said.
In 2007, Toyota recalled 55,000 Camrys and Lexus ES 350s in the U.S. for a similar defect. Toyota’s largest U.S. recall to date involved 978,000 vehicles to fix a steering-related flaw that could cause drivers to lose control.
Toyota’s U.S. sales unit is based in Torrance, California.
 
Hmmm, Toyota & Lexus cars accelerating unintendedly due to mat-jammed pedals?

Isn't that similar to Audi 5000 "unintended" accelerations in mid 80s - when Audi image in US market was trashed due to this issue?

Let's see what happens. 3.8m vehicles recalled in US only. Japan & other markets are following as well, I assume.

Ouch!

That will cost Toyota / Lexus big money. Costly recall (new mats, extra work at repair shops) - not to mention extra money for damage control PR & advertising.



Oh, that is some recall... and what a reason...

Isn't it ironic? Mechanically & electronically safe & reliable car (and advertised as such) - but you get killed in it due to pedal-jamming floor mat making the car to accelerate unintendedly, or preventing you from braking.
 
The last big recall was an issue with the steering, not sounding good, even if that too probably was a minor error in itself.

Furthermore, I get a feeling that this could partially be a SBTW error...
 
Isn't that similar to Audi 5000 "unintended" accelerations in mid 80s - when Audi image in US market was trashed due to this issue?


I think the real reason behind those "unintended acceleration spurts" was some dumb woman who confused the accelerator with the brake pedal and then went on to make a big issue out of it. Essentially she tried to cover up her complete and utter retardedness by blaming the manufacturer. 60 Minutes also did their part...

FAIL
 
I think the real reason behind those "unintended acceleration spurts" was some dumb woman who confused the accelerator with the brake pedal and then went on to make a big issue out of it. Essentially she tried to cover up her complete and utter retardedness by blaming the manufacturer. 60 Minutes also did their part...

FAIL

Ok Wimmer we need to set something up. LS600h or two and crash them into everything blaming it on the Lexus self parking system causing the car to accelerate and swerve across traffic.
We could make millions or go to jail, one of the two:eusa_thin
 
C'mon really guys? This is the lamest "Recall" in history and has nothing to do with cars being bad.
 
If it weren't for the seriousness I'd say too bad.

The Audi thing wasn't a mistaken pedal, it was that Audi placed their pedals close together for heel-and-toe driving and most Americans are clueless about this and those with manual transmissions would often press both pedals and thus "unintended acceleration" was born. It happened with some automatic Audis too hence the mandatory shift lock (foot on the brake before you can shift out of park) that all automatic transmission cars in the U.S have today.

The other half of it was that once someone says they have a problem like that with their Audi other Audi owners would make the same mistake and say "mine did it too" or just imagine it.

Even the U.S. government couldn't find anything mechanically wrong with any of the Audis in question and most if not all cases were thrown out eventually because the driver would eventually admit that they made a mistake with the pedals. It could never be duplicated in many tests. People are just stupid some of the time.


This thing with unintended acceleration with Lexus/Toyota cars has been going on for years and they've just now figured out what the problem is, some damn floor mats. Most of, but not all of these Toyota/Lexus models are owned by older people too, that only compounded the problem. The problem is so widespread among so many different models/chassis/engine etc. that it had to be something other than the vehicles themselves.

Toyota and Lexus though, won't be hurt by this like Audi was.


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Toyota and Lexus though, won't be hurt by this like Audi was.


Kind of unfair how something like this probably won't affect their reputation - but a broken cupholder in an S-Class automatically means the car is a POS "Stay away from it!" :eusa_doh:

Ok, I am imagining that. :D

But it seems that many feel that Toyota/Lexus can do no wrong while everyone else gets hammered for problems, no matter how small they may be.
 
In light of a recent tragedy in which an off-duty CHP officer and three members of his family were killed, many have raised questions about what the true cause may have been.

According to a recent article in the Los Angeles Times, there may be more to the story than first explained by Toyota. Toyota issued a statement pointing to the installation of an improper floor mat from another vehicle, as we previously reported, as the cause of the crash. Then just one month after the crash involving the Saylor family, Toyota issued the largest recall in company history, affecting 3.8 million vehicles dating back to 2004.

Yet some believe that the issue goes beyond the floor mats – and lands likely in what many believe to be a flawed design with the highly computerized engine control system which lacks a fail-safe mechanism for emergency situations. The need for a fail-safe mechanism is being currently considered as a possible solution by Toyota, putting them in a position of implicit agreement.

In addition to the attorneys of victims, survivors, press organizations, and Toyota considering alternatives, there have also been nine different federal inquiries and investigations since 2000. Of the nine cases involving federal probing, only two cases pointed to the floor mats as the definite cause. Of the remaining cases, five have dismissed Toyota of fault, one pointed to a loose part, and one case is still open.

At the current time the only way to shut the vehicle off in a similar emergency would be to follow the directions outlined within the owner’s manual, which reads, “If you have to make an emergency stop, press and hold the ‘power’ switch for more than three seconds.” A Toyota spokesperson points out that this will also disable power assisted steering and braking.

In a case such as Saylor’s where the owner is unfamiliar with the vehicle, relying on the driver’s in-depth knowledge of the owner’s manual is not practical, pointing to the need for a more obvious solution. Safety experts also pointed out the fact that modern brake-assist systems operate with a vacuum powered assistance – a vacuum that is reduced or eliminated under full throttle. The result is that considerable force on the brake pedal may result in minimal stopping power.

To demonstrate the problem of relying on power-assisted brakes in the case of sudden and uncontrollable acceleration, the attorney for Guadalupe Gomez explained the details of his client’s case, “He [Gomez] was held hostage for 20 miles on a Bay Area freeway by a 2007 Camry traveling more than 100 mph. Gomez was unable to turn off the engine or shift into neutral and then burned out his brakes before slamming into another car and killing that driver.”

According to The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration there is still an open investigation into sudden acceleration events involving Toyota vehicles.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/

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“He [Gomez] was held hostage for 20 miles on a Bay Area freeway by a 2007 Camry traveling more than 100 mph. Gomez was unable to turn off the engine or shift into neutral and then burned out his brakes before slamming into another car and killing that driver.”

According to The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration there is still an open investigation into sudden acceleration events involving Toyota vehicles.

http://www.leftlanenews/

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How is that possible? You can shift into Neutral whenever you want, can't you? Just grab the lever and pull it.

And if it's a manual, just hit the clutch.

Only risk is to see the motor self-destruct due to excessive red-zone throttle.
 
How is that possible? You can shift into Neutral whenever you want, can't you? Just grab the lever and pull it.

And if it's a manual, just hit the clutch.

Only risk is to see the motor self-destruct due to excessive red-zone throttle.

It is possible if it is an automatic. Lairy thing0s, those automatic gearboxes :D
 

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