Mr Robert
Kraftwagen König
I was thinking of the devil.
Based on what have seen from the A7 and A6 I very much doubt we will see another RS that is grossly over weight compared to the competition. If the B9 doesn't continue the tread of being the lightest in class I will be surprised.
Michael
Torque Titan
It is only logical to compare the RS5 with the M3. What else would you compare it to?
Michael
Torque Titan
Very good point. I agree.
The two might compete in the same arena but they go about this similar performance in an entirely different way and because of this they appeal to completely different customers. When someone says the M3 is better .... why, what makes it better to one people makes it less appealing to another, there's really no point of reference to compare these two because their respective drive systems determine how they behave and in this they couldn't be more different.
Buy your M3 or RS5, which either makes you happy but don't mock someone else for having a different preference to your own.
Michael
Torque Titan
Excuse me, are you saying that I was mocking someone because if that is the case you are mistaken. In no way was I at all mocking anyone. I was simply stating the same exact thing you just stated. It is only logical, regardless of the different engineering aspects to a car, to compare the RS5 to the M3. It makes sense because, whether people like it or not, that is what the majority of the people in the market are going to compare it to.
I wouldn't say the RS5 looked more composed. This test showed what the old Autocar article between the E46 M3 and S4 showed: the RWD, less understeering M3 can exploit its layout to resist understeer, point its nose in the right direction and allow the driver to get on the throttle earlier. What you see as "composure" in the TG video is probably a wait-wait-wait game between the Stig and the RS5. The understeer may seem less pronounced (it's usually easier to see a car's rear end drift wide), but Clarkson specifically points out that the RS5 is pushing wide in at least one of the turns. The Stig has to wait until the fronts regain grip before he can lay into the throttle. If anything, the M3 is perhaps more composed: it's doing exactly what the Stig is asking. In this case, it's a bit of oversteer to point the nose and get on the throttle earlier.The time difference between the two did surprise me a little, not that the M3CP was quicker as this is true for most tracks they are compared on but by the amount of 1 second, especially after viewing the two cars behaviour on the track in the hands of the Stig, the RS5 looked the more composed of the two which generally leads to the quicker lap.
Another thing, in the hands of JC I was shocked by the amount of understeer but after seeing it in the hands of the Stig I came down to the conclusion that JC was trying to show how much understeer it could generate rather than trying to be quick. On Stig's lap the RS5 held it's line as well as the M3 and even induced a whiff of oversteer on exit.
P.S.
A damp lap on this track usually mean a good 2s-2.5s quicker in the dry.
One other thing to keep in mind is that TG do multiple laps. What is shown is not necessarily the fast lap.
south
Vorsprung Visionary
Didn't you predict the RS5 to 'trump' the M3 in every possible way months before the RS5 was out? And now that the results aren't what you've hoped before, there's all of a sudden 'no point to compare' them? Pardon Footie, but that's comical.
Best regards,
south
The odd thing South is that if lap times are the most important thing it's the RS5 that is generally quicker on the day. On this occasion it wasn't the case but then again this isn't a standard M3 with which the RS5 was design to beat.
Comical to you maybe but then I wouldn't expect anything different.
P.S.
Re-read what I said, when two cars are design to behave differently it's all but impossible to compare with any certainty other than performance measurements and in this the differences are small, it's like saying Turner was a better artist than Constable because he painter boats.
Comical to you maybe but then I wouldn't expect anything different.
P.S.
Re-read what I said, when two cars are design to behave differently it's all but impossible to compare with any certainty other than performance measurements and in this the differences are small, it's like saying Turner was a better artist than Constable because he painter boats.
I have to agree with that opinion because in the segments of the lap you see it appears that the RS5 enters the corner just after the M3 but leave the corner slightly ahead on more than one occasion.
chonkoa
Aerodynamic Artisan
South,
Footie is right, we should only compare the M3 to an M3 and the RS5 to an RS5. It is totally, I mean totally wrong to compare an M3 to an RS5.
Not what I am saying at all. Compare them if you wish but to say one is better than another based on which driving style you preference isn't true for everyone.
You prefer what you like but not everyone has to agree.
south
Vorsprung Visionary
You realise that Top Gear tested an M3 before and it clocked a 1:25.3? So much for the RS5 beating a standard M3, even considering the track conditions. Speaking of which, didn't you base previous discussions on your point of the RS5 being the faster car whenever the conditions aren't perfect? Clearly didn't hold true here.
Also, don't give me the fanboy rubbish. I'm not the one predicting any car coming from brand A beating any car coming from brand B, just to then explain why the test was set up, unfair, the other car was a ringer, or the cars shouldn't be compared at all.
Best regards,
south
NarutoRamen
Kraftwagen König
Hey guys, I don't have any issues anyone posting stuff. But don't give the results away in the FIRST post. Please.
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