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Autocar Road Test - Ferrari 296 GTB - (14deg C, dry) / Merry Christmas 🎅

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Dry Circuit Lap Time: 1min 3.6sec
Wet Circuit Lap Time: 1min 19.4sec

Acceleration (mph):

0-30:
1,4
0-40: 1,8
0-50: 2,3
0-60: 2,7
0-70: 3,3
0-80: 3,8
0-90: 4,4
0-100: 5,1
0-110: 5,9
0-120: 7,0
0-130: 8,0
0-140: 9,2
0-150: 10,6
0-160: 12,3
0-170: 14,2

1/4 Mile - 10.2s @ 147.2mph

0-1000m: 18,1s @ 185.4mph

Max Speeds in Gear:

1st:
46mph @ 8500rpm
2nd: 70mph @ 8500rpm
3rd: 96mph @ 8500rpm
4th: 123mph @ 8500rpm
5th: 155mph @ 8500rpm
6th: 190mph @ 8500rpm
7th: 205mph @ 7378rpm
8th: 205mph*@ 5265rpm

Braking (14deg C, dry):

60-0:
2.34s

30-0: 7,5 m
50-0: 19,9 m
70-0: 38,9 m

Tires Brand: Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S
Tires Size: 245/35/20 | 305/35/20
Note: Michelin PSCup 2 R Tires used for Lap Times

Drag coefficient: -

Weight: 1,648 kg

Autocar Rivals Ranking:

1st:
Ferrari 296 GTB - 5/5
2nd:
McLaren Artura - 4.5/5
3rd: Lamborghini Huracan Tecnica - 4.5/5
4th: Porsche 911 Turbo S (992) - 4.5/5
5th: Maserati MC20 - 3.5/5

And that's Autocar testing. She'll go quicker with Car and Driver Magazine or Quattroroute in the Summer next year!😮

And Thank You @Soup.
 
Test from AMuS from 1985 of the brilliant Ferrari GTO. It was the fastest car in the world at the time with a top speed of 303km/h and 0-100km/h in 4.8sec.

The steering wheel on the GTO must have been one of the smallest on any car at just 330mm in diameter.

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Tested: 2022 Audi Q4 50 e-tron Quattro Is the Brand's Accessible EV!

The compact SUV is an upscale sibling to the VW ID.4.
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When Audi's e-tron electrified subbrand first appeared, it was on the unremarkable A3 Sportback plug-in hybrid. The first EV to bear the moniker came three years later, when a larger, far more expensive SUV called the Audi e-tron hit the market. That ute's lack of an alphanumeric model name was confusing, and things didn't become any clearer with the arrival of the e-tron GT performance sedan. Now comes the Q4 e-tron, and its designation at least helps place it within the greater Audi lineup.

Larger than a Q3 and tidier in size than a Q5, the Q4 50 e-tron Quattro is a platform-mate of the Volkswagen ID.4. Audi's design language works well when draped over the shared 108.7-inch wheelbase and 62.3-inch front and 61.5-inch rear track widths, resulting in chunky bulldog styling that looks fetching in SUV form. The result isn't nearly as handsome on the $2800-pricier Sportback model, but that's often how it goes with slope-backed SUV derivatives.

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As in the all-wheel-drive ID.4, a pair of AC motors that team up to produce 295 horsepower and 339 pound-feet of torque propel the Audi. Likewise, the same 77.0-kWh lithium-ion battery feeds both SUVs, giving the slightly heavier Q4 Quattro 241 miles of EPA range versus the ID.4's 251 miles. The Q4 line's marquee range of 265 miles comes from the 201-hp single-motor rear-wheel-drive version.

LOWS: Mechanically identical to its Volkswagen sibling, ho-hum highway range, not as speedy as some rivals."

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"DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase: 108.7 in
Length: 180.7 in
Width: 73.4 in
Height: 64.7 in
Passenger Volume: 97 ft3
Cargo Volume, Rear Seats Up/Down: 25/53 ft3
Curb Weight: 4964 lb

C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 5.6 sec
1/4-Mile: 14.2 sec @ 98 mph
100 mph: 14.9 sec
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.
Rolling Start, 5–60 mph: 5.7 sec
Top Gear, 30–50 mph: 2.4 sec
Top Gear, 50–70 mph: 3.3 sec
Top Speed (gov ltd): 113 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 177 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft Skidpad: 0.84 g

C/D FUEL ECONOMY AND CHARGING
Observed: 93 MPGe
75-mph Highway Range: 190 mi
Average DC Fast-Charge Rate, 10–90%: 87 kW
DC Fast-Charge Time, 10–90%: 44 min

EPA FUEL ECONOMY
Combined/City/Highway: 95/100/89 MPGe
Range: 241 mi."
 
Autobild Sportscars - Hatchback Group Test at Lausitzring Pt.1

Air Temperature:
23c (sunny & dry)

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Cupra Leon 2.0 TSI
Lap Time -
1:42,12
Vmax: 200,1 km/h


VW Golf GTI
Lap Time -
1:42,58
Vmax: 201,9 km/h

Hyundai i30 N
Lap Time -
1:40,30
Vmax: 201,8 km/h

Ford Focus ST
Lap Time -
1:39,75
Vmax: 204,5 km/h

Cupra Leon VZ
Lap Time -
1:38,08
Vmax: 207,8 km/h

Honda Civic Type R
Lap Time -
1:38,11
Vmax: 209,9 km/h

Renault Megane R.S. Trophy
Lap Time -
1:38,13
Vmax: 206,0 km/h
Any info on the Part 2 test?
 
My Graph: Ferrari 296 GTB vs McLaren 720 acceleration by Autocar (in km/h) :)

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Here is graph you posted in 2017 with ABSC. I think the Autocar 720S test was a bit slow. Km speed of 296 GTB seems too high in my opinion, I think it will be less than 185mph. The 720S matches it to the km post at 18.05sec and 293.6km/h/

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This is interesting a BMW 750I G11 LCI with the top Speed limiter removed. It is very fast.

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Mercedes-AMG SL63 vs. Porsche 911 Turbo S Cabriolet: Open-Air Monsters
Two fiery, high-power convertibles go head to head!

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Swanky two-door rear-drive convertible cars aren't as common as they once were, but a few automakers still build them to appease folks who crave open-air adrenaline. We usually see them parked in front of fancy steakhouses, rolling along Beverly Hills' streets, or on Malibu's Pacific Coast Highway. Naturally, they're seldom the only car in the owner's garage, as they were developed to favor thrills over practicality.

Time was when the Mercedes-Benz SL-Class was the segment's benchmark. Its beautiful design, competent handling, and punchy V-8 made it a favorite among a certain group of buyers, a recognizable symbol that told the world they'd made it to the top. Although the previous generation was a departure from its traditional style, the 2022 Mercedes-AMG SL63 retains the SL line's powerful V-8 ethos and a striking design while adding two vestigial rear seats for more perceived practicality. It may not "look" like an old SL, but we applaud Mercedes for giving the famous nameplate another run in an era when SUVs and electric cars make the market's biggest waves.

Meanwhile, a certain Porsche 911 claims some of the category's deepest roots. The 2022 Porsche 911 Turbo S Cabriolet is markedly different from the SL—it has two fewer cylinders, more power, and its famous rear-engine architecture, plus it's shorter and lighter than the Mercedes-AMG. But as one of the most popular sports cars on the planet—and with the new SL on hand as part of our Performance Vehicle of the Year evaluations—we snatched the opportunity to find out how these two German-engineered machines match up.

On The Road
We evaluated each car's ride and handling on city streets, freeways, and on Angeles Crest Highway, one of the country's best driving roads. ACH's sweeping curves, tight corners, and light traffic were perfect for getting a feel for these convertibles, and although there was a clear difference between their road manners, both were quite compelling.
We preferred the Porsche's overall behavior on ACH, but we enjoyed the Mercedes for its strong engine and transmission combo. With 577 hp and 590 lb-ft of torque, its 4.0-liter twin-turbo V-8 delivers a fun experience regardless of how hard you push it, and the nine-speed automatic transmission shifts up or down swiftly and on time. "It has good power, monster torque, great sound, a good gearbox, good throttle response," executive editor Mac Morrison said after his first few runs on the Crest.
As punchy and lively as the Mercedes was, the Porsche felt superior. The 911's 3.7-liter flat-six engine delivers 640 hp and the same torque as the SL63, and it easily performed stronger off the line than the AMG, because it weighs 424 pounds less and packs 63 more horsepower. As an overall GT car, "You can't ask for much better as far as responsiveness and directness," Morrison said.
As we've often praised in other Porsches, the steering's response and precision is hard to match. Driving the 911 and the SL back to back also demonstrated the Turbo's superior suspension setup. On bumpy sections where the SL felt soft and out of place, the 911 delivered a unique connected experience. Its chassis felt dynamic and happy on the twisty road, with little need for steering corrections; the Mercedes' doesn't offer the same kind of feedback or feel.

Away from ACH's challenges, the SL shined on city streets and highways with long sweeps. Somewhat oddly in Comfort mode on less than smooth roads, the car feels stiffer than you likely expect. Its heavy nose, where 54 percent of its weight sits, also notably impacted the way it performed on ACH. It handles well through quick and medium-speed corners, but it's easy to tip the chassis balance into understeer for hairpin turns. However, you won't typically notice that when cruising on city streets and highways.
The Porsche, on the other hand, is capable of obliterating any type of road. "It's a rocket ship of grand-touring style, with outrageous performance," Morrison said. "There are lighter and better-handling 911s, but you really only know that if you've driven those other versions. If this Turbo S Cab was your only experience of the lineup, you'd walk away saying it has no weaknesses as a road car." Indeed, whether you cruise with the top up or down, this Porsche feels like as much car as you've ever wanted. As our test numbers show (see chart below), it's on a different performance plane compared to the 2022 Mercedes-AMG SL63.

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Value Can Still Sorta Apply

It's always difficult to talk about value with cars nearing or exceeding $200,000, but it's a big part of MotorTrend comparisons and a huge consideration for buyers. The Mercedes-AMG SL63 we drove carried a base price of $182,250, and our test car added almost every option available, increasing its price to $208,085. The Porsche 911 Turbo S Cabriolet, on the other hand, had a starting price of $231,350 and included more than $20,000 in extras to push its as-tested price to $252,940.

Is the Porsche 911 Turbo S Cabriolet $44,855 better than the 2022 Mercedes-AMG SL63? After driving them back to back, we lean toward yes. The price difference is large enough for buyers to think about choosing one over the other, but the gap is unlikely to sway many people willing to spend more than $200,000 on a two-door convertible. And when they sit behind the wheel and head to a twisty road (or even drive briskly to the golf course), they will appreciate the dynamic experience and connected feel the Porsche has over the Mercedes.
The 911 is simply faster, more fun, and easier to operate than the Mercedes. Despite the SL63's flashier, more tech-forward interior, it's easy to realize Porsche invested most of its resources on developing the chassis and its handling. That's where the $44,855 difference becomes apparent—it's not in places you can touch or see, but rather where you can feel and enjoy it all behind the wheel.
The Final Decision
The 911 in general is known for being fun and dynamic on challenging roads while also being comfortable as a daily commuter. Our experience in the 2022 Porsche 911 Turbo S Cabriolet continued that tradition—it excelled no matter where we drove it. It's a car that draws smiles whether you're cornering hard on Angeles Crest or cruising on Pacific Coast Highway with the top down.
The 2022 Mercedes-AMG SL63 is a stylish and capable grand tourer that will please a lot of buyers, but its dynamic performance isn't as sharp. It's reasonably comfortable for day-to-day activities and is a little more practical than the Porsche given its longer wheelbase and somewhat bigger back seat. But its heavier weight and longer wheelbase reduce its performance and handling.
Both cars are competent and approach the segment in different ways, but the 911 Turbo S Cabriolet is the clear winner. Its direct feel, handsome design, and wild cornering abilities pushed it to the top. The AMG SL63 brings back the old SL charm, but its driving limits held it back in this comparison. The Porsche feels more special in that regard, and when you're spending this kind of money on a niche car, well, you deserve to feel special."

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2nd Place: 2022 Mercedes-AMG SL63

Pros
  • Great engine
  • Plush cabin
  • Quiet interior

Cons
  • Ride and handling aren't super comfortable or super sharp
  • Lacks the elegance for which SLs used to be known
  • Annoying user interface for key functions
Verdict: An interesting evolution of the SL line that is neither a completely coddling boulevardier nor a raw sports car.

1st Place: 2022 Porsche 911 Turbo S Cabriolet

Pros
  • Precise steering and handling
  • Loads of power
  • Excellent transmission

Cons
  • Even more expensive than the AMG
  • Cabin doesn't feel notably special
  • Lacks interior space
Verdict: The benchmark for anyone desiring a drop-top performance missile that's comfortable for lazy drives yet capable of lighting challenging roads on fire.


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Porsche to the right in the data panel.

 
This car is still one of my dream BMW models. the legendary E46 M3. Even this car is fast hitting close to 280km/h on the autobahn.

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Most amusingly of all, they weighed all the cars:

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(The weight of the MC20 is listed wrong in the table, btw, the actual weight was 1700kg. Still, 40kg more than the hybrid Ferrari and 140kg more than the hybrid Mclaren.)
 
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Most amusingly of all, they weighed all the cars:

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(The weight of the MC20 is listed wrong in the table, btw, the actual weight was 1700kg. Still, 40kg more than the hybrid Ferrari and 140kg more than the hybrid Mclaren.)
The claimed weight of Italian Supercars is always wildly optimistic when compared to their actual measured weight. Both the 296 (huge 190kg over claimed) and MC20 (a massive 225kg over claimed) really show how porky they can actually be compared to rivals.
 
The claimed weight of Italian Supercars is always wildly optimistic when compared to their actual measured weight. Both the 296 (huge 190kg over claimed) and MC20 (a massive 225kg over claimed) really show how porky they can actually be compared to rivals.

I think what's more telling is the Ferrari is a hybrid and the Maserati is not and it also benefits from an an all carbon fibre monocouqe construction. The 296GTB has from memory an all aluminum set up. That they are fractionally apart in KG to, makes no sense!
 
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