Tesla has been ORDERED to RECALL nearly 1.1 MILLION vehicles!

[Tourbillon]

Quote>"Tesla has been ORDERED to RECALL nearly 1.1 MILLION vehicles in the US due to a safety issue with the electric windows, according to reports."

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/tesla-recall-electric-vehicles-elon-musk-b2172963.html

Further>"The problem concerns the windows’ obstruction recognition, which is responsible for detecting objects that might get caught, such as a child’s fingers.

The recall concerns Model 3 cars from 2017/22, Model Y cars from 2020/21, as well as Model S and Model X vehicles from 2021/22.

Tesla reportedly told the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that it would attempt to fix the issue via an over-the-air software update, according to Reuters.


The automatic window reversal system may not react correctly after detecting an obstruction, Tesla said in documents posted on Thursday by US safety regulators.

**The NHTSA said that it is a violation of federal safety standards for power windows**.

Tesla discovered the problem during production testing in August. Owners will be notified by letter starting from 15 November.

The company also said in documents that vehicles in production got the update starting on 13 September.

Tesla was not aware of any warranty claims or injuries due to the problem as of 16 September, according to the documents."

 

[Matski]

The HEADLINE capitalisation reminds ME of AUTOSPIES...

 

[Tourbillon]

The HEADLINE capitalisation reminds ME of AUTOSPIES...

No idea what that is.

Regardless it's a huge recall and it's going to cost alot to put right. A few caps isn't changing those facts and it's also completely irrelevant in comparison to that anyway in terms of seriousness.

 

[Matski]

No idea what that is.

You are really better off.

Regardless it's a huge recall and it's going to cost alot to put right. A few caps isn't changing those facts and it's also completely irrelevant in comparison to that anyway in terms of seriousness.

Massive though my disdain for e-Loon Musk might be, recalls are a fact of life for manufacturers, this doesn't seem like a serious one and is much less than the total recall figures for other manufacturers, it apparently can be solved with on OTA update. If you want to worry about Tesla's, look at how quick the cult is to defend some of the appalling judgement calls of the full self driving system is.

 

[kiki voinea]

Incoming BMW4everDumbo....

 

[BMW4ever]

'Alien tech', but those damn windows... .

 

[kiki voinea]

This recall is the most american thing ever.

If you search on YT , there are dozens of videos with people testing if "will my Tesla door cut my hand" , tests done with hotdogs and others.Especially with Model X falcon doors

Like , who in their right mind would keep their hand over the glass when you see it closing???

I even wonder how they discovered this issue....

 

[klier]

Like , who in their right mind would keep their hand over the glass when you see it closing???

Literally every single child.

 

[kiki voinea]

Literally every single child.

My kid stays in his child seat , with his seatbelt on , with rear widows locked , like any other kid should be. Rear windows rarely open , and when they do , any parent should be aware that they have a kid backseat.

And I bet any car would do damage to kids hands . More or less

 

[martinbo]

Literally every single child.

Yup, even my Golf Mk IV had this child-centric safety precaution.

 

[klier]

My kid stays in his child seat , with his seatbelt on , with rear widows locked , like any other kid should be.

Wait until he/she is a bit bigger then. I wasn't talking about infants, I was talking about kids old enough to mess around. Closing the window with the hands between it is like the first thing kids do.

Regardless it's a huge recall and it's going to cost alot to put right.

Seems like a very easy fix, particularly if it's just software that can be fixed with an OTA update.
And yea expensive if you had to pay it with your own savings, but pretty meaningless when you are among the richest companies on the planet.

And like said earlier, these recalls happen all the time, it's not exactly new. But what I do like pointing out, is that Tesla is like the worst quality western-made car ever, and it seems to be getting worse by the month.

 

[kiki voinea]

I don't know about that...

I recently posted an update on my M3 received almost 3 weeks ago. And the car is pretty flawless.

They have gone a good road ahead and cars made outside US are built pretty good

 

[tristatez28lt1]

I believe an NHTSA recall is issued only when the car needs to physically go to service so OTA might be possible with a workshop visit. This will cost a ton of cash. Good luck with the 45 Tesla service centers in the USA… it’s still one of their biggest to be improved factors.

 

[kiki voinea]

I believe an NHTSA recall is issued only when the car needs to physically go to service so OTA might be possible with a workshop visit. This will cost a ton of cash. Good luck with the 45 Tesla service centers in the USA… it’s still one of their biggest to be improved factors.

No. Elon even tweeted that it's no big deal , it will be done in the next OTA update , in a month or so . NHTSA mandated that it should be fixed by November or something.

Elon even said that NHTSA should rename this "recall" term for issues that can be fixed by OTA , and that makes sense. Nissan or Toyota had a recall where wheels could fall of . That is a real recall...

Also , the issue implies that the windows exceed 100nm of force , but not like it could cut limbs....

 

[A.P.]

I believe an NHTSA recall is issued only when the car needs to physically go to service so OTA might be possible with a workshop visit. This will cost a ton of cash. Good luck with the 45 Tesla service centers in the USA… it’s still one of their biggest to be improved factors.

Except that Tesla updates can also be done over Wifi at home/workplace/select Tesla supercharger stations...
This isn't your Ford or Kia which have to go back to the dealership each time they need an update.

 

[Sunny]

Except that Tesla updates can also be done over Wifi at home/workplace/select Tesla supercharger stations...
This isn't your Ford or Kia which have to go back to the dealership each time they need an update.

The worst part is Ford/GM dealers are pushing to outlaw OTA.- https://fordauthority.com/2022/02/ford-ota-updates-to-owners-could-be-banned-in-west-virginia/.

That is how scummy car dealerships are.

 

[klier]

I believe an NHTSA recall is issued only when the car needs to physically go to service so OTA might be possible with a workshop visit. This will cost a ton of cash. Good luck with the 45 Tesla service centers in the USA… it’s still one of their biggest to be improved factors.

So are you saying 1.1 million cars have to go to 45 service centers?

 

[tristatez28lt1]

So are you saying 1.1 million cars have to go to 45 service centers?

I remember reading years ago that a proper NHTSA recall meant physically bringing the car to a service center otherwise it’s not a recall with NHTSA letter. But I think that point was negated above and a fix can be done via OTA (which makes sense).

 

[Tourbillon]

Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says Full Self-Driving Beta software may cause crashes

Tesla recalls 362,758 vehicles, says Full Self-Driving Beta software may cause crashes

The Tesla recall notice was posted on the on the website of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration on Thursday.

www.cnbc.com

"Tesla is voluntarily recalling 362,758 vehicles equipped with the company's experimental driver-assistance software, which is marketed as Full Self-Driving Beta or FSD Beta, in the US, according to a recall notice out Thursday. Tesla will deliver an over-the-air software update to cars to address the issues, the recall notice said.

The FSD Beta system may cause crashes by allowing the affected vehicles to: "Act unsafe around intersections, such as traveling straight through an intersection while in a turn-only lane, entering a stop sign-controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop, or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution," according to a safety recall report on the website of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

The FSD Beta system may also have trouble responding appropriately "to changes in posted speed limits," the notice said.

The group of affected vehicles included the following years and models: 2016-2023 Model S and Model X, 2017-2023 Model 3, and 2020-2023 Model Y vehicles equipped with or pending installation of FSD Beta.

CEO Elon Musk and Tesla fans have objected to the use of the term "recall" to describe safety defects or issues that can be fixed with a software update delivered over wireless internet. On Thursday, he wrote on Twitter, "The word 'recall' for an over-the-air software update is anachronistic and just flat wrong!"

Tesla lets thousands of drivers try new and unfinished driver assistance features on public roads in the U.S. through FSD Beta. The technology does not make Tesla electric cars autonomous, nor safe to drive without a human at the wheel ready to brake or steer at any second — despite the brand name.

Only Tesla owners who have the company's premium FSD driver assistance system installed in their cars can join the FSD Beta program. That option now costs $15,000 up front or $199 per month in the U.S. Owners must obtain a high driver-safety score, as determined by Tesla software that monitors their driving habits, and maintain it to get FSD Beta access.

FSD Beta can best be summarized as a host of new features that are not yet fully debugged. The main attraction is "autosteer on city streets," which lets a Tesla navigate around complex urban environments automatically, if imperfectly.

Tesla has never disclosed how many people buy or subscribe to the premium FSD option. In the company's last earnings call, CEO Elon Musk said: "As of now, we've deployed Full Self-Driving Beta to -- for city streets -- to roughly 400,000 customers in North America. This is a huge milestone for autonomy as FSD Beta is the only way any consumer can actually test the latest AI-powered autonomy."

NHTSA and Tesla communications say the system is something much simpler: a "SAE level 2 driver support feature that can provide steering and braking/acceleration support to the driver under certain operating limitations."

The safety recall report notes, "the driver is responsible for operation of the vehicle whenever the feature is engaged and must constantly supervise the feature and intervene (e.g., steer, brake or accelerate) as needed to maintain safe operation of the vehicle."

Shares of Tesla fell a little more than 1% on the news, then quickly recovered.

This is a developing story. Please check back for updates."

*Separate recall. New threads not required.

 

[Matski]

If they can put out an update to make it less functionally crap in two weeks, why haven't they done it already?

Also, Musk is such a bell-end... "The word 'recall' for an over-the-air software update is anachronistic and just flat wrong!" Yes Elon, just like calling a feature that doesn't fully self drive the car "Full Self Driving" is flat wrong.