Merc1
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I just don't buy it until I see proof. The guy was just wrenching the steering wheel in the Jeep GC at a what appears to be a higher speed than the other vehicles in the same test.
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Jeep Swedish magazine calls out safety of Jeep Grand Cherokee; Chrysler rebuts claim
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Jeep is an American automobile marque introduced in 1943 and now owned by multi-national corporation Stellantis. Since 1945, it has been headquartered in Toledo, Ohio, when Willys-Overland launched the first CJ or Civilian Jeep branded models. Prior to 1940 the term "jeep" had been used as U.S. Army slang for new recruits or vehicles, but the World War II "jeep" that went into production in 1941 specifically tied the name to this light military 4x4, arguably making them the oldest four-wheel drive mass-production vehicles now known as SUVs.
I just don't buy it until I see proof. The guy was just wrenching the steering wheel in the Jeep GC at a what appears to be a higher speed than the other vehicles in the same test.
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Merc1
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Likewise you think they can't get it wrong just because of 50-60 years? They never make a mistake?
Unlike you're closed minded position, I'm merely questioning it. I didn't call BS on it. I also asked if other more-off road biased SUVs passed the same test so I'm not dismissing it, just not gonna take it as gospel.
Look at the video and tell me that the Volvo and whatever else vehicle that was, was going the same speed at the Jeep.
Quit debating it, or keep debating really don't care either way, it was just a question of their practice in this case.
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Merc1, you are claiming they were traveling faster and were behaving differently with the steering wheel than the Volvo and VW which were used as references. How on earth can you make that claim without being there, even Jeep representives that where there didn't claim foul play, the very fact that Mercedes changed the A-class after their results shows the respect they have in the industry.
Giannis
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Oh com' on Bob! He didn't claim they were traveling faster, he said that it looks like this happend. It's as different as an opinion vs a fact
Actually, what Merc1 said has a solid basis. ESP works by braking individual wheels, with the key word being braking. So, the Volvo or the T-Reg slowed down much more than the Gran Cherokee, so it looked like as if the GC did the slalom faster. They both had the same turn in speed, but the speed they carried out of the slalom was much different.
Merc1
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Look at the footage. It does not appear that all the vehicles were traveling at the same speed. I said appears. Secondly no outfit is incapable of making a mistake here and there, don't care if they've been at it for 1000 years. You act like god conducted the test. Please it isn't that serious. Who the hell said that they weren't respected. You're reaching for something that wasn't said.
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Merc1
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Oh com' on Bob! He didn't claim they were traveling faster, he said that it looks like this happend. It's as different as an opinion vs a fact
Actually, what Merc1 said has a solid basis. ESP works by braking individual wheels, with the key word being braking. So, the Volvo or the T-Reg slowed down much more than the Gran Cherokee, so it looked like as if the GC did the slalom faster. They both had the same turn in speed, but the speed they carried out of the slalom was much different.
Thank you, thats all I'm saying here, but apparently whomever is doing the testing can't be questioned because they got Mercedes to make changes to an A-Class back when.
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Oh com' on Bob! He didn't claim they were traveling faster, he said that it looks like this happend. It's as different as an opinion vs a fact
Actually, what Merc1 said has a solid basis. ESP works by braking individual wheels, with the key word being braking. So, the Volvo or the T-Reg slowed down much more than the Gran Cherokee, so it looked like as if the GC did the slalom faster. They both had the same turn in speed, but the speed they carried out of the slalom was much different.
The sheer fact that the Jeep bounced all over the place while both the Volvo and VW were undramatic would give the impression that it would be travelling faster but you nor I can say for sure it was still carrying more speed through the entire exercise. And yes we all know ESP systems brake individual wheels to curb excessive behaviour so I'm sure this would be true for the Jeep or are you suggesting it was turned off or worse still defective and then there's the front wheel blowouts.
Giannis
Staff member
No, Bob. I said a completely different thing. I said that due to the bouncy ride of the Grand Cherokee, it may appear that it drove faster. Also, the fact that the Touareg and XC90 looked as if they were slower can be explained by the braking function of the ESP system.
You, on the other hand, accused Merc1 that he claimed that the GC was indeed driving faster. Which he didn't. He just pointed out that it looked faster.
And now you use the phrase "give impression" and say that I suggest that the ESP was off or defective.
You spinned your arguments twice already, bringing nothing but "flame material" into this thread. I suggest you don't try to make another excuse for this. Either contribute something meaningfull, or if you have any complaints, contact me via PM. Any off topic posts will be deleted.
Gianclaudio
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On a completely off topic, I really appreciate the way you moderate Giannis; and again, I've nothing against any other moderators; but I always like polite way you do your job.
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