X7 [Spy shots] G67 BMW X7

[jphcbpa]

Hopefully there is an Alpina 40 for the US market

 

[klier]

I very much doubt that, Alpina will be exclusive to the highest end versions.

 

[Centurion]

Nah, the main markets don't want a diesel at all, and in Europe diesel has become more expensive than gasoline. EV is probably replacing the diesels.

Things will swing back and forth depending economic and political climates. Sentiments for different fuels or populations will swing.

 

[klier]

Things will swing back and forth depending economic and political climates. Sentiments for different fuels or populations will swing.

Nah, diesel is dead. And not coming back.

Was already dead before the Iran war.

 

[martinbo]

Nah, diesel is dead. And not coming back.

Perhaps in Europe. We'll see, time will tell.

There are still plenty emerging market countries with enormous populations for which:
a) EV-supporting infrastructure is years away
b) legislation isn't regulating diesel to death
So, the long-term undesirability and demise of diesel is far less of a certainty than you so confidently portray.

 

[Esp5]

09/27? Wow, the X7 is already getting long in the tooth. Will be dated towards the end of its life.

It's selling as well as or better than ever; its sales have been surgically consistent year after year and continue to be so, which is what matters.

 

[klier]

Perhaps in Europe. We'll see, time will tell.

There are still plenty emerging market countries with enormous populations for which:
a) EV-supporting infrastructure is years away
b) legislation isn't regulating diesel to death
So, the long-term undesirability and demise of diesel is far less of a certainty than you so confidently portray.

We're talking about an ultra luxurious car for the upper class. For rich people. They don't want diesel powered cars, and the two biggest markets (US and China) don't even offer diesel X7 versions for the current model. Middle East like UAE it's zero sales for the diesels too.

The diesel engines in this car were made for Europe, and Europe is moving on to replace diesels with EV.

Your long term story is for the masses, and I don't disagree there. The BMW X7 is not meant for 'emerging' markets at all though clearly so this is all pretty meaningless.

However, a ladder frame SUV for emerging markets with diesel engines sounds like an excellent proposition indeed. They can literally conquer the world with that if played correctly and priced accordingly.......there's so many markets where BMW is a non factor for various reasons.

 

[Serpens]

09/27? Wow, the X7 is already getting long in the tooth. Will be dated towards the end of its life. Hopefully the 40d will remain an option. It's a great engine.

I think saying it's going to be dated is harsh. It's still very competitive and nothing drives better in its class.

 

[Centurion]

The diesel engines in this car were made for Europe, and Europe is moving on to replace diesels with EV.

The only reason why I mentioned diesel is that it suits this type of vehicles. I test drove an X7 diesel a few months ago. The B57 is a lovely engine and so quiet from the outside and inside that you wouldn't know that it's a diesel.

For a car of this size and nature, the B57 complements the character of the car much more than the B58. Higher peak torque 720nm vs 520nm and a smoother power delivery too. You don't need to work the engine as hard to get the car moving.

Obviously this is irrelevant in the countries like the USA and Middle East there V8s are popular and fuel cheaper. However in the UK even with the range rovers and defenders, the diesel engines are popular in big SUVs.

 

[klier]

However in the UK even with the range rovers and defenders, the diesel engines are popular in big SUVs.

We'll see how long that lasts when diesel is 50 cents a liter more expensive compared to gasoline....

 

[jphcbpa]

I very much doubt that, Alpina will be exclusive to the highest end versions.

it was mentioned on the update as non-US X7 Alpina 40 xDrive