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For all things space exploration and astronomy related....

To kick things off, SpaceX continues testing its Starship.

With SN10 flight test....

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...they stick the landing.

But......
 
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For all things space exploration and astronomy related....

To kick things off, SpaceX continues testing its Starship.

With SN10 flight test....

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...they stick the landing.

But......
During these gloomy days it’s good to see real progress, I can’t stop admiring SpaceX and Musk for their big ambitions and rate of progress, how well and how quickly they execute on ideas. All the other companies and even agencies are far behind. As Tony Stark said - you should be so ahead of the curve that other people don’t even see the curve - I think if it’s true about anyone, then it’s Musk and SpaceX.
 
"old news" but still cool:

Perseverance rover + Ingenuity Mars Helicopter

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  • Launch: July 30, 2020
  • Landing: Feb. 18, 2021, Jezero Crater, Mars


NASA - Mars Perseverance Rover

NASA - Mars 2020


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Landing video: :love:

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First full color image from Perseverance at Mars:

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Perseverance’s First Full-Color Look at Mars: This is the first high-resolution, color image to be sent back by the Hazard Cameras (Hazcams) on the underside NASA’s Perseverance Mars rover after its landing on Feb. 18, 2021. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech


First recorded Audio from Mars: Audio From Perseverance
 
During these gloomy days it’s good to see real progress, I can’t stop admiring SpaceX and Musk for their big ambitions and rate of progress, how well and how quickly they execute on ideas. All the other companies and even agencies are far behind. As Tony Stark said - you should be so ahead of the curve that other people don’t even see the curve - I think if it’s true about anyone, then it’s Musk and SpaceX.

I am still left slack-jawed when those Falcon rockets return back with a relatively high success rate at that.
 
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A chap who occasionally used to be on our pub quiz team machined parts for the Apollo program as a young man. We were chatting about it once and he said it was phenomenal... we were talking about tolerances, and he said "In those days there were no tolerances, if you could measure a deviation, it was no good", and there was me complaining about ±2mm! Sadly I've not seen him since the start of the pandemic.
 
"old news" but still cool:

Perseverance rover + Ingenuity Mars Helicopter

pia23962-1041.jpg


pia23963-1041.jpg



  • Launch: July 30, 2020
  • Landing: Feb. 18, 2021, Jezero Crater, Mars


NASA - Mars Perseverance Rover

NASA - Mars 2020


TKvUVjJZQRA399tRbLHj55-970-80.png



Landing video: :love:

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First full color image from Perseverance at Mars:

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First recorded Audio from Mars: Audio From Perseverance
Mars is fascinating. I am excited about what we will learn about the planet in the coming year. Will establishing a colony on the planet have a meaningful impact on our lives or will it be a very expensive endeavour into unknown.

Thankfully starship has a dual purpose which include launching countless of rockets into space for Starlink.
 
Mars is fascinating. I am excited about what we will learn about the planet in the coming year. Will establishing a colony on the planet have a meaningful impact on our lives or will it be a very expensive endeavour into unknown.

Thankfully starship has a dual purpose which include launching countless of rockets into space for Starlink.
I’m a big fan of going to Mars and colonizing it etc, but I seriously doubt it will end up as imagined, or at least within the optimistic timescale. I think it will be very relevant to be a large outpost, to do R&D, a closer base to the asteroid belt for resources, and a great adventure which many should at least try, but we are very very far from making it anything Earth like. No magnetic field, no atmosphere, even after terraformation it still has to develop the oceanic and wind streams which shape the planet, not even talking about ecosystems. Genetically modified humans could survive better, so it’s interesting what our species will evolve into under those circumstances, most likely within decades from the first arrivals, that might be something that can work out better than waiting for a full scale terraformation.

On the other hand, even though I don’t like Jeff Bezos much, his plan to make space colonies totally suited to our needs makes more sense from purely a survival standpoint. Having a vibrant orbit around the planet with several bases with millions of people, moving most of the heavy industry there, and preserving the Earth mostly for living and repair the damage made to the wildlife, would be a great achievement, and more optimal for us as well.

Paradoxically, while Musk promotes the Mars colony idea, I think he will still be the largest contributor to an orbit ecosystem and a larger colony on the Moon, since there is no one nearly as advanced in rockets as SpaceX, no one as visionary and bold.
 
I’m a big fan of going to Mars and colonizing it etc, but I seriously doubt it will end up as imagined, or at least within the optimistic timescale. I think it will be very relevant to be a large outpost, to do R&D, a closer base to the asteroid belt for resources, and a great adventure which many should at least try, but we are very very far from making it anything Earth like. No magnetic field, no atmosphere, even after terraformation it still has to develop the oceanic and wind streams which shape the planet, not even talking about ecosystems. Genetically modified humans could survive better, so it’s interesting what our species will evolve into under those circumstances, most likely within decades from the first arrivals, that might be something that can work out better than waiting for a full scale terraformation.

On the other hand, even though I don’t like Jeff Bezos much, his plan to make space colonies totally suited to our needs makes more sense from purely a survival standpoint. Having a vibrant orbit around the planet with several bases with millions of people, moving most of the heavy industry there, and preserving the Earth mostly for living and repair the damage made to the wildlife, would be a great achievement, and more optimal for us as well.

Paradoxically, while Musk promotes the Mars colony idea, I think he will still be the largest contributor to an orbit ecosystem and a larger colony on the Moon, since there is no one nearly as advanced in rockets as SpaceX, no one as visionary and bold.
Well said! You are very right in that Mars lacks a lot of what makes earth a planet with life. However scientist could search for traces or clues for whether life has ever existed on Mars.

If life on Mars is not found, the planet could serve as outpost/communication relay for launching space vessels/rovers/satellites to planets further away.
 
Other than for science, further exploration and perhaps mining, I can't imagine why anyone would want to live in an artificial environment that is otherwise lethally inhospitable 200,000,000 km from home.. 3-boobed women or not.
+ adventure, not for a whole life but for a while, also this could be said about any of the other objects in the solar system. Unless it’s fun and exciting, all the utilitarian advantages seem less inviting.
 
+ adventure, not for a whole life but for a while, also this could be said about any of the other objects in the solar system. Unless it’s fun and exciting, all the utilitarian advantages seem less inviting.

To be honest this is why I struggle to get that excited by the notion of space exploration at the moment, at least in terms of manned missions.

On the one hand, Teegarden-B is 12 light years away and is currently the most likely candidate for naturally supporting human life. On the other hand, Mars is (comparatively) next door, but can't naturally sustain human life. These are two different challenges, it's the first one I'd say is more exciting to me personally.
 
To be honest this is why I struggle to get that excited by the notion of space exploration at the moment, at least in terms of manned missions.

On the one hand, Teegarden-B is 12 light years away and is currently the most likely candidate for naturally supporting human life. On the other hand, Mars is (comparatively) next door, but can't naturally sustain human life. These are two different challenges, it's the first one I'd say is more exciting to me personally.
I agree, the notion of exploring other living worlds is much more exciting than exploring dead ones, or barely living ones, period.
My main problem with places this far is that we simply don’t have the technology to get there. The idea that we send a colony ship, or to farther places generation ships, and then wait for feedback, seems crazy. 12 light years - in the most optimal version where we can reach a speed close to the speed of light, with acceleration and deceleration it would take around 25 years to get there. We would also receive the first photos and data 12 years later, so that’s already close to 40 years from departure. This kind of exploration this way should be only robotic in my opinion, until we invent some kind of warp drive, which most likely will be possible one day.

Until then the exploration of the solar system seems cool enough for me. There are really great places which are there to experience - if they don’t provide anything else beside a dense atmosphere where you can fly, or a free fall of several minutes, I’m ok with it, just let’s get there somehow.

I love this short film, shows some ideas I mentioned above:
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Mars is fascinating. I am excited about what we will learn about the planet in the coming year. Will establishing a colony on the planet have a meaningful impact on our lives or will it be a very expensive endeavour into unknown.

Thankfully starship has a dual purpose which include launching countless of rockets into space for Starlink.
That weak magnetic field of mars means colonization of the red planet will only be a pipe dream.
 
That weak magnetic field of mars means colonization of the red planet will only be a pipe dream.
In theory with lots of fusion reactors a stronger magnetic field will be achievable. I’m pretty sure if were had to find a way, even if not easily and with time, but we would find one.
 
Why is a magnetic field essential for colonisation?
It is the first layer of defense for a planet from dangerous cosmic rays as well as the dangerous radiation from the sun. The magnetosphere is what protects the atmosphere in a planetary system.
The lack of a magnetosphere is the fundamental reason why Venus is hotter than Mecury
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For planet earth the magnetosphere defends the planet from these high energy radiation by attenuating the energy level of the incident radiation. The next level of defense is the zone layer that further attenuates the energy level to something that is bearable to living thing.
 
Quick read on space radiation....


Little snippet
Are We Protected from Space Radiation on Earth?
Yes, but not entirely. Life on Earth is protected from the full impact of solar and cosmic radiation by the magnetic fields that surround the Earth and by the Earth’s atmosphere. The Earth also has radiation belts caused by its magnetic field. The inner radiation belt, or Van Allen Belt, consists of ionizing radiation in the form of very energetic protons—by-products of collisions between GCR and atoms of Earth’s atmosphere. The outer radiation belts contain protons and electrons. As we travel farther from Earth’s protective shields we are exposed to the full radiation spectrum and its damaging effects.

In addition to a protective atmosphere, we are also lucky that Earth has a magnetic field. It shields us from the full effects of the solar wind and GCR. Without this protection, Earth’s biosphere might not exist as it does today, or would at least be limited to the subsurface.

BTW, I thought Venus' high temperatures were more a consequence of the high levels of carbon dioxide trapping solar heat.
 
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