A.P.
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@TopspeedPT hahaha, you were slightly quicker.
SSC Shelby Supercars' Tuatara - 1,350 Hp is born!
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American manufacturer of the Tuatara hypercar. Specialized in world-record speed runs, 1,750 HP twin-turbo V8 engineering, and elite aerodynamic design. Official: SSC North America
Bridster
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That's not what the statement says. It only says that the overlay was out of sync. Which it was - by 2s - in the Top Gear version of the video, but it was perfectly in sync in the version of the video they released themselves. The overlay is not from a different run and is synced perfectly to the shifts.
If you go to 1:15, you can see the driver shift at "247mph" and the speed briefly drops to "245mph" before recovering. So you know that the overlay is from this run (nevermind it also shows the same thing on the laptop).
Either way, I am surprised you are still willing to believe half a word of what this guy says. Hasn't it been proven without a doubt that this guy a serial lier that will say anything and will keep lying until his grave? I would have thought it was. I mean, he just yesterday claimed that Dewetron had validated his record, only for this to be proved a complete lie today.
Nothing in his statement explains how it took the car 24s to cover the distance between the two medians when it should have been 17s. And his claims about the top speed being reached at 8600rpm, as well as his claims about the gearbox ratios had already been disproven by Misha Charoudin's video from yesterday - who were able to see that the revs at top speed were 7300rpm and use that together with the publicly available gearbox ratios to get the exact match between the average speed this would produce and the 24s time it took the car to cover the distance.
Funnily enough, he is even caught lying on his own terms when he says that the driver "shifted at 236mph". But the shift happens at "247mph". It's only "236mph" in the out of sync Top Gear video. Like, not only is the data logger massively overestimating the speed, he is not even basing his lie on the logger, but instead he is basing it on an out of sync video. Not only is this guy a total scumbag, he also appears to be pretty incompetent.
TopspeedPT
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Who said I believe Jerod Shelby?
I'm on Shmee side, he presented the facts and many of them are correct.
new video:
I'm on Shmee side, he presented the facts and many of them are correct.
new video:
A.P.
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I'm not taking sides or saying who is right or wrong until GWR approves or disapproves of this record. It's submitted and if we don't hear back in 3-5 months, then it is completely fake and lies from SCC. If we do hear back, and it is validated... then all this drama was for nothing and the same YouTubers who called out Lamborghini for it's Ring run will be a bunch of clowns again.
Bridster
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Sorry about that, I guess when you said that "but I still don't understand", it made it seem like you accepted some of his claims while about some other you remain skeptical about.
Either way, I am surprised that even the three youtubers who basically broke the story and done all the research still hold hope that this could have been an innocent mistake. There is so much evidence that points to this being deliberate it's not even funny. SSC would have known that their fastest run couldn't have been uphill, they would have known what maximum speed they could do in each gear, they would have known that the car was at 7300rpm when it reached the claimed top speed, not at 8600. Then there is them straight up lying about the run being verified by Gewetron when it wasn't. The guys in the video are careful to say that the Gewetron statement "didn't falsify" the SSC statement, only "negated it", but that's being ridiculously generous. Not only SSC lied, they came up with this lie right after - and in response to - questions raised! That's as far from an innocent lie as you can get.
I would go even further than that, though. I do not only think the run has been faked on purpose, I think that SSC organized the speed attempt specifically to fake it. My reasoning is as follows: SSC must have known that their in-car speedo was overestimating (which is perfectly normal and legally necessary). Yet the telemetry was reading even higher than the already overestimating speedo which should have been an immediate red flag that their GPS equipment is not calibrated properly. So they must have known right there and then their telemetry is not accurate. More than that, this couldn't have been the first time they were using the equipment. They must have done at least a couple of test runs before that to see if it's accurate. And again, if the telemetry showed higher speeds than even the overestimating speedo, they would have known it wasn't working properly. Yet they still organized the run. They probably even tuned the GPS error specifically to give them the speed they wanted or thought the car could do theoretically.
tieftaucher
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Racing cars normally don't do 250 mph.
tristatez28lt1
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Of course the driver OliveWebb knew
Joelpeyeye
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Shmee presents video of smear campaign days later presents video of Bugatti bolide
manuelf
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I think it were high 200s! And I doubt, that a normal racing driver feels the difference between let's say 460 and 530 km/h! Both speeds are beyond everything, which he had driven before.
manuelf
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What do you want to insinuate here? It is not only shmee, who presents facts, that the Tuatara run was fake.
Joelpeyeye
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Shmee was the first, i am sure it is Bugatti's emissary to discredit SSC
TopspeedPT
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It started on Facebook Koenigsegg 4 Life group and Reddit.
Shmee said he ignored it at first.
Joelpeyeye
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surely before the record there were already conspiracies
constalation
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I think you should check out those videos, in case you haven't. The accusations are very comprehensive, sometimes simple math that doesn't check out.
It looks worse for SSC by the day.
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It was a whole bunch of Youtubers that have raised questions against the accuracy of the record attempt, what has Bugatti got to do with this? It is pure coincidence that they released the Bolide at almost the same time as the news of the doubts of SSC record was displayed on the net. SSC have alot to prove to show their record attempt was valid, but since the equipment used was not verified and calibrated on the day it happened by the company that makes this measuring equipment then the attempt is not true and vull and noid.
A.P.
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But it's not like GWR has dissapproved it at once like they usually do with fake records. The run did happen, but whether the numbers are correct is the biggest question/issue. Until GWR dissapproves/approves it we will live with these conspiracies from YouTubers and Koenigsegg fanboys on Reddit.
KiwiRob
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Webb has competed at LeMans multiple times in an LMP1 car.
KiwiRob
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Did they even submit the evidence of the run to GWR, I can't find any info that says they have.
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And I don't think that any LMP1 car gets anywhere near 400 km/h, let alone 500 km/h. I think it would be quite easy to dupe all but the most experienced high-speed specialists (e.g Andy Wallace) with a dubiously calibrated speedo. I personally feel that at speeds above 300 km/h humans are unlikely to be able to distinguish the physical difference between 460 km/h and 520 km/h. They rely on instrumentation for that and without question, human senses are the least reliable measurement tools in such a case.
