S350, 730i, A8 3.2 FSI

[go0gle]

I just wanted to say something regarding the price. The new S-class is more expensive than its competitors in the same way as the new Audi RS4 is more expensive than M3 and C55. Plain and simple IT IS BETTER! And that is why you end up paying more. Of course there are many other factors but the one I stated is really simple and it makes sense to me.

 

[Kleemann_SL]

A man (or women ) who can afford a A8 and 7er, can also afford himself an S-class. The sales numbers are the proof of this.

 

[Deleted member 182]

Plain and simple IT IS BETTER!

Exactly. People just need to stop bitching about the S-class. Let's face it, it's the best. Take it or leave it.

 

[bmwownage]

There is no question, the Sclass is the winner in this class, there is just no other possible choice... It is down in Eclass where the main battle is imo... Those opting for 7er must love its handling, those opted for the A8 probably because being an Audi fan or cheaper price, others why not S?

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

My god where do you get this bs?

I hate to feel like I have to ignore your comments but this proves it. Did you actually read the article Yannis? It was a simulation with a idiot magazine editor at the wheels of the car. He was supposed to stop the car and simulate what the system would do. The system wasn't even activated because Mercedes told the magazine that it would not work in their test hall. The system DID NOT FAIL Yannis, the only failure here is you not having read the article and/or understanding what happened.


I'm still waiting on you to admit that you simply don't like Mercedes because you hardly ever make any sense when you try to bash Mercedes. You still think Mercedes' have as poor weight distribution as Audis too I bet.

It amazes me how in the same post you can look to reviews about the S-Class and claim things about sound insulation and what not, yet you point to a bogus test of Distronic, when those same reviews of the S-Class have shown that Distronic works in the real world. Every magazine across the world has driven the new S-Class and not one of them reported that Distronic didn't work. Now if you have a magazine review that says different I'd love to see it, otherwise you're just bs'ng again.

M

Very well said Merc1 It's really amusing how some people try to pull all sorts of nonsense together to support their unfounded oppinions rather than just accepting things as they are.

* Distronic or BAS were not activated during the staged test. Undoubtedly MB have to accept a large amount of blame for this PR catastrophe, but clearly it wasn't due to system failure. How can a system fail if its not even activated.

* The morons who bagged distronic failed to even test the system while the system was operating in the conditions it was designed to operate, i.e on the move along poorly lit roads.

* Despite what that one German test said about sound proofing, every other review I have read have raved on about the silence experienced within the cars cabin. They surely can't all be lying about their experience?

* It doesn't drive as well because its not as sporty as the 7 or A8? Please, how sporty a car is, is hardly the be all and end all of deciding how well a car drives, particularly in this catgeory where overall comfort is the prime objective. As Car so aptly wrote, the way the S-class drives is "crushingly superior''.

Fair enough, if you happen to prefer the Audi or BMW for whatever reason. But don't so blatantly discount the fact that the the S-class is the superior excercise in Luxury car engineering overall, as marginal as that may be in some aspects. MB is not some sort of incompetent newcommer when it comes to building these sorts of vehicles.

 

[Centurion]

The S class hasn't convinced me that deserves the victory. In sound insulation it was measured to be the same with A8 and 7 series , in driving terms it looses to 7 and A8 and the only aspect where it is superior is the comfort.

These cars are luxury cars which are supposed to give maximum comfort and if the S offers better comfort then it's a winner. The A8 is a good car which a very reasonably price and no better what people say about it's looks the car is simply best at what it's supposed to do which is tranport people in superb comfort. A black Carlsson S530 for me please.

On top of that when we arre talking about cars for 70-90k price is more or less no object for the buyers. At this price range 10k isn't going to make any difference for the buyer. Yes the S is more expensive but it's also a better car. You guys can say what you can say what you want about the S but that doesn't change the fact that it is the best luxury car of all three.

 

[Zafiro]

We have members over at M5board.com that arent wealthy persons. They had to sacrifice other things just to be able to buy a M5. They cant afford for instance a M6 just because they own a M5. So its wrong the claim that all buyers in this priceclass can afford everything.

BTW Autobild gave the same score to 7er and S-class in the comfort category, A8 got less points.

 

[bum-man]

It depends on how much in proportion the S-Class is better than its competition. Fully optioned, the S-Class's price can skyrocket up while its competitors have already certain options standard at base price.

It's quite logical if you pay more for a better car, and pay less for a lesser car. But is the S-Class really worth all that extra money? I think not.

Actually the S500 I believe has more standard options than its competitors bar the LS.

 

[GTA45E]

I don't understand this logic. If the S is the best car then it is worth some extra dough. These are luxury cars not family sedans to most the extra money won't mean anything. These aren't penny pinchers.

M

lOl Merc1, well said.

 

[yomomwhat]

We have members over at M5board.com that arent wealthy persons. They had to sacrifice other things just to be able to buy a M5. They cant afford for instance a M6 just because they own a M5. So its wrong the claim that all buyers in this priceclass can afford everything.

BTW Autobild gave the same score to 7er and S-class in the comfort category, A8 got less points.

yea but what percentage of M5 owners had to sacrifice something to buy it?...there can't be that many..., they are not exactly typical luxury car buyers are they if they are having to sacrifice stuff to get it? no offense to them though....i know some people who just lease expensive cars instead just because they cannot afford them but have to show off..., but for the majority of expensive car owners 10k is going to be nothing, btw does anyone know what the average car price is? if i had to guess i would say $10,000...

also....anyone know what a W140 s-class cost when that came out, i think it cost a lot more than a w220...

 

[Yperion]

My god where do you get this bs?

I hate to feel like I have to ignore your comments but this proves it. Did you actually read the article Yannis? It was a simulation with a idiot magazine editor at the wheels of the car. He was supposed to stop the car and simulate what the system would do. The system wasn't even activated because Mercedes told the magazine that it would not work in their test hall. The system DID NOT FAIL Yannis, the only failure here is you not having read the article and/or understanding what happened.


I'm still waiting on you to admit that you simply don't like Mercedes because you hardly ever make any sense when you try to bash Mercedes. You still think Mercedes' have as poor weight distribution as Audis too I bet.

It amazes me how in the same post you can look to reviews about the S-Class and claim things about sound insulation and what not, yet you point to a bogus test of Distronic, when those same reviews of the S-Class have shown that Distronic works in the real world. Every magazine across the world has driven the new S-Class and not one of them reported that Distronic didn't work. Now if you have a magazine review that says different I'd love to see it, otherwise you're just bs'ng again.

So the Distronic system actually works and it was the magazine that made a mistake? That sounds like a good excuse to some people but not to me.

What does weight distribution has to do with this thread? Who says that Audis have bad weight distribution? A8 is the driver's car of the three no matter what weight distribution it has.

 

[warot]

So the Distronic system actually works and it was the magazine that made a mistake? That sounds like a good excuse to some people but not to me.

What does weight distribution has to do with this thread? Who says that Audis have bad weight distribution? A8 is the driver's car of the three no matter what weight distribution it has.

Yannis, it turns out that the test was faulty because they drove in an insulated hangar.... therefore it doesn't work properly...

But what the others are saying is BS I think, about the nightvision. Tell me what difference itmakes if you are driving or not? The range still sucks and you still have to look down to the instrument cluster.

 

[warot]

What I'd like to point out is that when you are buying something this price, there's no such thing as the "best" IMO. What makes you rank the S class as the best?
What if I like the looks of the A8 and hated to looks of the S class.... then the A8 is the best right?
What if I like handling the most? Then 7er wins.
In terms of techonology, these 3 cars really aren't that far apart. 2 dB less driving noise isn't going to make one car that much better than the other.

My point is, these car magazines are as subjective as it can be... therefore it's so dumb to say that the S class is the "best" (whatever that means) therefore it has to be worth 10k more.

 

[Yperion]

Yannis, it turns out that the test was faulty because they drove in an insulated hangar.... therefore it doesn't work properly...

No matter if the system worked or not , the crash made it to headlines worldwide and caused a great deal of negative publicity for Mercedes:

Mercedes double-embarassment

A couple of weeks ago Mercedes Benz had a big embarassment when its collision avoidance system failed to work spectacularly on TV.

Now, it seems that the incident was due to bungling while trying to fake the demonstration on behalf of Mercedes engineers and an Auto Bild journalist, since the engineers knew that the system wouldn't work.

Wow. Now, the Auto Bild journalist has been fired, and Mercedes is in for an even bigger embarassment.

http://www.eurocarblog.com/post/101/mercedes-double-embarassment/

Even after expainations were given (or are simply excuses?) the result is the same.

 

[bum-man]

What I'd like to point out is that when you are buying something this price, there's no such thing as the "best" IMO. What makes you rank the S class as the best?
What if I like the looks of the A8 and hated to looks of the S class.... then the A8 is the best right?
What if I like handling the most? Then 7er wins.
In terms of techonology, these 3 cars really aren't that far apart. 2 dB less driving noise isn't going to make one car that much better than the other.

My point is, these car magazines are as subjective as it can be... therefore it's so dumb to say that the S class is the "best" (whatever that means) therefore it has to be worth 10k more.

So do you think it's dumb to say that the 3er is the best in its segment because it doesn't offer the comfort of the C-class or the industry leading 4wd tech of the A4?

Regarding the price you must also consider the fact that the S-class will have the best resale value (by far) which makes the price more justifiable.

 

[Zafiro]

All Im saying is there are people were money matters. It sounds like some you think money dont matter which of course isnt true.

 

[Zafiro]

So do you think it's dumb to say that the 3er is the best in its segment because it doesn't offer the comfort of the C-class or the industry leading 4wd tech of the A4?

its the same with 3er. just like S-class, 3er live on history and reputation therefore they sell a lot but it doesnt mean they are the best.

 

[bum-man]

its the same with 3er. just like S-class, 3er live on history and reputation therefore they sell a lot but it doesnt mean they are the best.

And where did the 3er get that reputation? of course by being the benchmark in its class with each new model. Same goes for the S-class.

 

[Zafiro]

And where did the 3er get that reputation by being the benchmark in its class with each new model. Same goes for the S-class.

I dont know when but it no news that many carmakers use 3er as a benchmark. Same with S-class. Or im I wrong?

 

[Centurion]

I'm not saying that people have unlimited money and frankly that doesn't change the fact that the S-class is the better luxury car. Just like the 911 is expensive but is a better sports car than the 6er, SL and AMV8. The 7er, A8 and S-class are already very expensive cars and paying up 5-10k extra for an S-class doesn't make a huge difference since you are already up in huge sums of money. Gosh when will you guys give up and admit that although you like the 7er or A8 the S-class is the better luxury car.