S-Class (W224) [Rumors] 2030 Mercedes-Benz S-Class W224 (Spy pics & info)

[Uygar]

People buy the Rolls Royce because of the image( being the most expensive luxury car) or to be driven in, If they want the best drivers car, the Bentley is the one to go.

Even If they were the same price I’d always prefer the Bentayga to the Cullinan.


The Maybach is the underdog, the E-ABC is the best suspension on the market, nothing comes close.

The leather quality ( If you tick the right boxes on the Maybach) is on par with Bentley and Rolls Royce but the switchgear feels cheaper, I have to admit that.

Unfortunately the current S680 V12 is not available with this suspension, because this car has no 48V system.

The biggest advantage of the Rolls Royce is IMHO the availability of the V12.

Moral of the story is that we just can’t afford these damn cars.

 

[Matski]

I mean the driving modes.

There are no driving modes for the suspension and only 2 for the drivetrain.

I know that you can configure the color inside, outside, headliner, and so on.

You can configure anything, so long as you're not poor.

 

[Swissbob]

You can configure anything, so long as you're not poor.

I guess there’s some misunderstanding.

Regarding the drivetrain and the suspension there are no other choices available.

It is how it is.

But you can configure any color you want, this right.

 

[Matski]

I guess there’s some misunderstanding.

Regarding the drivetrain and the suspension there are no other choices available.

It is how it is.

But you can configure any color you want, this right.

No misunderstanding, at least not on my part. Choice is limited only by budget.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

The Ghost is a V12 saloon built on the same scalable architecture as other Rolls-Royces. The Maybach is a trim level for an S350d that is sold with a 6 cylinder engine and uses the same platform as 'lesser' cars in Mercedes line-up. Bentley is somewhere in between since it utilises VW group assets, but the cars themselves aren't derivatives of much more mundane vehicles. Simply, Rolls-Royce, Maybach and Bentley are not the same.

That said, a fully personalised Phantom is clearly a league above the Ghost.

I'm hoping there's a bit more of a difference between the Ghost and the Phantom, cause I rode in one recently, and I came away disappointed by the ride.
I'd hope the Phantom would be a big step up.

That having been said, whilst the Maybach is on the same platform as the base S class, but elongated, I don't see a reason why it can't compete with a Ghost, if Mercedes try hard enough. I'm not sure the difference in ride quality and comfort is a million miles away from a Ghost or a Phantom in a regular S-class anyway. The difference is the bespokeness.

 

[Matski]

I'm not sure the difference in ride quality and comfort is a million miles away from a Ghost or a Phantom in a regular S-class anyway. The difference is the bespokeness.

Yeah, I'd agree with that. The point I'm trying to make is that you can ask Rolls-Royce to build you almost anything, the only constraint being your bank balance. The notion that a Rolls-Royce is constrained by an options list, to me, is mental.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Yeah, I'd agree with that. The point I'm trying to make is that you can ask Rolls-Royce to build you almost anything, the only constraint being your bank balance. The notion that a Rolls-Royce is constrained by an options list, to me, is mental.

True. But again, there's no reason the S can't get close to a Ghost in terms of size and comfort, just be short on customisability for reduced cost.

 

[Swissbob]

No misunderstanding, at least not on my part. Choice is limited only by budget.

Now I understand you.

They don’t offer the possibility to customize the drivetrain like on a M5.

You can’t have different settings like on a M car, that’s what I wanted to say.

They don’t offer paddles, rev counters, manual mode for the transmission.

You can’t get the duality of the Bentley.

That’s what I wanted to say.

If you want a sporty Rolls Royce (sportier than the black badge) that’s something they don’t want to build.

You can customize everything except the drivetrain and suspension, that’s what I was told by someone who worked at a Bentley and Rolls Royce dealership until a few years ago.

May be that has changed recently.

 

[Swissbob]

What I really like on the Maybach and Bentleys is the duality.

You can cruise along most of the time, with maximum comfort.

But If you’re on the right road you can activate Sport mode, and the changes completely.

The valves open, the steering and suspension stiffens up, there’s no body roll anymore and the pig starts to fly, you can drive surprisingly engaging without feeling uncomfortable, of course it doesn’t become a E63 but it drives surprisingly sprightly.

That’s what I really love about these cars.

 

[Merc1]

The Flying Spur is best at the duality thing.

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[Matski]

You can customize everything except the drivetrain and suspension, that’s what I was told by someone who worked at a Bentley and Rolls Royce dealership until a few years ago.

My father worked for Rolls-Royce & Bentley Motor Cars, and Mulliner Park Ward, with brief stints with the likes of Overfinch. The official secrets act in the UK prevents most discussion around these topics, and I certainly won't add anything to what's already "leaked" about the likes of the Sultan's collection... I'll just reiterate, you can get anything you want if you can pay for it.

 

[Swissbob]

I guess the dealerships don’t know everything that’s possible regarding customization.


I agree that’s something Maybach should improve. (level of customization and bespoke buttons in the interior).

 

[Uygar]

Will there ever be a Maybach exclusive model in the future? Something not based on an existing model?

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

Will there ever be a Maybach exclusive model in the future? Something not based on an existing model?

Maybe a Maybach Mythos.

 

[Swissbob]

Will there ever be a Maybach exclusive model in the future? Something not based on an existing model?

AFAIK yes.

There’s much more to come.

 

[Uygar]

Maybe a Maybach Mythos.

Oh okay, no series production model then.

 

[Esp5]

AFAIK yes.

There’s much more to come.

Are you sure? Short, medium, or long term? Can you elaborate?

On the other hand, the average selling price or revenue per Rolls Royce vehicle is a little over $500,000 since 2024 (official info), so we're talking about a different league, and not just because of price.

 

[Swissbob]

Yes I am sure, Maybach drivers were asked what they expect from future models in 2025.

I’d say medium to long term.

 

[Swissbob]

Oh okay, no series production model then.

I guess both.

 

[Swissbob]

On the other hand, the average selling price or revenue per Rolls Royce vehicle is a little over $500,000 since 2024 (official info), so we're talking about a different league, and not just because of price.

That’s less than expected TBH.

I think Maybach might eventually reach a average selling price of about 350k$, this sounds reasonable, with bespoke models.