Rolls-Royce Project Nightingale

[Esp5]

Eccentric but above all powerful, it's almost like an automotive dream, a unique gift from a predictable industry.

 

[Ozy]

I didn't say, and haven't said that it was - I have said that these things are not priced on tangible aspects, and I implied I didn't think it was worth 7 million quid when I said it wouldn't be worth it even if it had a V16.

Also, it's not a "detail" like it's some trivial component that I was saying it didn't share - you implied the only difference between Project Nightingale and the Spectre, was the headlights being rotated by 90°... I'm pointing out that this is blindingly obviously not the case - and I'm not pointing that out because I think it's worth 7 million quid, it's because I think reducing a coach-built car to such a simple statement is a fundamental comprehension problem, not a product or price tag problem.

Taking my comment so literally instead of seeing the irony also mirrors fundamental comprehension problems, maybe there were not enough emojis - I will take notes for next time.

Anyways, the comment is actually quite on point, because while we all see the differences, its way too little, and too close to a Spectre to justify this price. This is all what the op was intended to deliver. The important part is that we all know art work is used for money laundering for its subjective value, when we see this level of “couch building” being valued this high - I think the suspicions are fair, and if they happen to be correct, it begs the question - why does such a prestigious brand has anything to do with it. Of course its all just nonsense and speculation, we could just move on and not waste each others time shall we…

 

[Uygar]

I don’t know how to feel about that exterior design tbh. Kinda gives Hongqi mixed with Zeekr, especially that front end.
Side profile is lovely though.

 

[constalation]

We're talking about a limited edition that's already sold out, so where do you see that their business model isn't working?

For the hundredth time. I am not talking about RR's business model. I am talking value in the secondary market. Lack of comprehension.

Do you think a RR bespoke dress has no historical or design relevance?

No. Can you tell me about the historical and design relevance please?

Where did I say that this is a better or worse investment than another car?

Its the entire point of my post. Again, lack of comprehension.

If they paid double the price of a Tourbillion, it must be because they think it's worth it. I have no idea what we're discussing; the 100 buyers must know more about investments than you and I.

Rich people make investment mistakes ALL the time.

Again for the second time I am asking. First you said that the facts support your position on secondary market value. I have provided you with clear, historical and recent comps on how luxury cars including RRs don't hold up their value. Can you explain why this is not the case for this model? You seem to be avoiding my questions after been proven wrong even after giving you the facts?

 

[klier]

If they paid double the price of a Tourbillion, it must be because they think it's worth it. I have no idea what we're discussing; the 100 buyers must know more about investments than you and I.

This car is a toy for the rich, not an investment. LMAO the thought alone, these people make more money a week than 5 of these cars cost, and probably a hell of a lot more. And they don't give a flying f#ck about whether they make money were they to sell it. Ridiculous.

These people invest in stuff that makes them hundreds of millions a year, if not billions. A car, any car, is absolutely 100% positively nothing more than what a breadcrumb is to you and I.

For the hundredth time. I am not talking about RR's business model. I am talking value in the secondary market. Lack of comprehension.

You have got to be f#cking kidding me.
Value in the second hand market. LMAO.

 

[Esp5]

For the hundredth time. I am not talking about RR's business model. I am talking value in the secondary market. Lack of comprehension.


No. Can you tell me about the historical and design relevance please?


Its the entire point of my post. Again, lack of comprehension.


Rich people make investment mistakes ALL the time.

Again for the second time I am asking. First you said that the facts support your position on secondary market value. I have provided you with clear, historical and recent comps on how luxury cars including RRs don't hold up their value. Can you explain why this is not the case for this model? You seem to be avoiding my questions after been proven wrong even after giving you the facts?

I don't care about the used car market, nor do these buyers.

No. Can you tell me about the historical and design relevance please?

If you can't understand the historical and design value of a regular Rolls-Royce, let alone a bespoke one, there's no point in continuing.

 

[constalation]

This car is a toy for the rich, not an investment. LMAO the thought alone, these people make more money a week than 5 of these cars cost, and probably a hell of a lot more. And they don't give a flying f#ck about whether they make money were they to sell it. Ridiculous.

These people invest in stuff that makes them hundreds of millions a year, if not billions. A car, any car, is absolutely 100% positively nothing more than what a breadcrumb is to you and I.

Imagine saying saying the rich don't care about money. This is embarrassing and obtuse. The rich didn't accumulate wealth by giving things for free. Some of the obscenely wealthy are one of the most Scrooge-Mcduck nickel and dimers I have ever come across. But sure they don't 'care' about a 7 mil pound car double the price of a Tourbillion. Sure buddy. I wonder how trickle down economics is working? Perhaps you should look into these spaces more. I though you were a frequent user of this sub?

Also if the rich don't care about the value of their cars, why do most of them disappear into car collections and gather dust in their garages never to be used again? Why so many auctions? Not a single response by you here is nothing other than empty, Trumpian drivel. Do better as a senior commentator in this forum.

ou have got to be f#cking kidding me.
Value in the second hand market. LMAO.

Don't side step the questions with LOLs, and LMAOs and kidding mees. This entire comment chain has been a bunch of RR fellatiosos circling around trying to move the goal posts.

I am directly asking you whether these will loose value in the future. Why can't you engage with this question so directly? Why is this so hard for you?

 

[constalation]

I don't care about the used car market, nor do these buyers.

But you cared enough to comment and belittle my simple question? Couldn't properly answer it? Sure. As for the buyers 'don't care', I direct you to my response at @klier above you.

Its exhausting, trying to have a conversation with people like you. Arguing about semantics, but never the point. Cared enough to joke about it, but when presented with facts, they always run away.

I am asking you @Esp5 for the third time now. You said the facts support you. I gave you historical and recent comps on how luxury one-offs loose value. Time to show your facts but somehow you are avoiding this? But somehow it is I who doesn't understand.

If you can't understand the historical and design value of a regular Rolls-Royce, let alone a bespoke one, there's no point in continuing.

Please explain the historic and deign value of this monumental Rolls Royce Project Nightingale. Go ahead please.

What I am about to do is perhaps excessive. But anyway....

@Matski, @martinbo I think are the moderators. I am part of several, similar forums on the net. They have great quality of conversation because the mods are quite deliberate in intervening in situations like such as this in order to keep the quality high and prevent low effort responses such as the ones above.

I asked a simple question without offending anyone, and both @klier and @Esp5 responded with belittlement and frankly, bad-faith responses like the 'rich don't care' about car value and so forth. I provided them with facts on similar comps and car devaluation, which took some personal time because I wanted a good, information based discussion. The only responses were further vibes based 'you don't get its' or LOLs, LMAOs, or simply ignoring my questions or goalpost moving actions. I believe, we need to steer these conversations and prevent such actions if we are to keep improving the quality of discussion on this forum. Thanks.

 

[Centurion]

Imagine saying saying the rich don't care about money. This is embarrassing and obtuse. The rich didn't accumulate wealth by giving things for free. Some of the obscenely wealthy are one of the most Scrooge-Mcduck nickel and dimers I have ever come across. But sure they don't 'care' about a 7 mil pound car double the price of a Tourbillion. Sure buddy.

The 100 people that RR contacted are probably not rich. Don't think they are people who lease a Cullinan to look rich or are overleveraged paper millionaire with less than $5m in liquid assets.

They are post-economic.

Money doesnt mean anything to them. They have and generate so much of it that they can't go broke. In a previous job I has, one customer had a family trust that generated £10m in interest........every 6 weeks. Buying a £7m Roller is the equivalent of a middle class individual buying an IPad.

Buyers of this car will likely also be invited to RR events limited to just them and others who have bought limited run models that are multiple times more expensive than the series cars. So the value add includes networking.

They took the horizontal headlights, flipped it by 90 degrees and voila a 10x markup cant make this sh up…

I am surprised that vertical headlights this narrow are legal. However they have done extensive testing to ensure that they spread light wide enough to be compliant globally.

I wonder if they've done it this way to both cover off limited demand issues for an EV version of the Spectre, perhaps combined with the nosedive sales numbers after year 3 of a product like the Dawn... i.e. they realised a Spectre drop-head was not going to sell anything like as well as the Dawn did, so they drove demand with rarity rather than capability.

Doesn't matter I suppose if they're all sold.

Like I said in an alpina discussion, sometimes you can make more money taking an existing product, tweaking it a tiny bit and selling it to more affluent customer base instead of......brokies.

Overnight, this model makes the spectre a success. Each of these 100 units will generate the revenue equivalent of 10 Spectres. This include each guest buying one or another spectre to drive whilst waiting for delivery of the new model. They might even own a spectre in tro different continents.

This is RR taking a page out of Ferraris text book. They have paved the way for showing that you can dramatically increase revenue without multiplying production numbers. You simply upsell paint, leather and stitching carbon fibre.

Take Bugatti's Veyron tribute. The red paint isn't paint. But instead the clear cost has been infused with red paint. For f#ck sake, how unnecessary isn't that? But a buzz sorry way to add €100,000 to a single car.

 

[KiwiRob]

You can't say Rolls Royce's don't sell for high numbers.

• 1963 Rolls-Royce 10EX Experimental Touring Limousine
  $7,300,000 (Sold in 2018). This vehicle served as a high-tech test bed for the company's experimental features.
• 1904 Rolls-Royce 10hp
  $7,250,000 (Sold in 2007). One of only a handful of remaining examples of the brand's first-ever model.
• 1926 Rolls-Royce Phantom I Round Door
  $7,200,000 (Sold in 2018). Noted for its unique circular doors and coachwork by Hooper & Co.
• 1912 Rolls-Royce 40/50hp Silver Ghost "The Corgi"
  $7,100,000 (Sold in 2012). This Double Pullman Limousine was the template for the famous Corgi toy cars.
• 1933 Rolls-Royce Phantom II Special Town Car
  :$5,700,000 (Sold in 2012). A rare bespoke creation with Brewster coachwork.

 

[klier]

Don't side step the questions with LOLs, and LMAOs and kidding mees. This entire comment chain has been a bunch of RR fellatiosos circling around trying to move the goal posts.

Facebook questions require Facebook answers.

I am directly asking you whether these will loose value in the future. Why can't you engage with this question so directly? Why is this so hard for you?

Not hard, just a complete non issue noone has an answer to.

 

[Matski]

Thanks.

Ok.

I'm not even sure why you're arguing. Your point appears to be that cars like this are bad investments, which for the most part people aren't denying, rather they're pointing out that it doesn't matter. I don't see why both statements can't be true at the same time - FWIW, from my personal point of view (which is at least slightly informed by experience), I would agree with both statements. From a moderator's point of view, as far as the quality of the discourse goes, after you've told someone to take a car company's **** out of their mouth is probably not the time to complain about it.

 

[slicknick]

I was just about to come in a bit late to the party & post about the car, but boy, has it all gone off the rails

 

[constalation]

Facebook questions require Facebook answers.

Apparently doing research, and providing proper data points is a Facebook level question. Perhaps, our great, residential intellectual @klier can destroy my points with facts and logic?

So Mr. Klier.. where are they?

Not hard, just a complete non issue noone has an answer to.

Another intellectual masterclass!

Its not hard! Its a none issue! but apparently no one has any answer to it?

Let me ask, what type of answers are these? Facebook level? Socrates level? Or Mr. Klier level?

 

[constalation]

I'm not even sure why you're arguing.

You should. I encourage you to read @Esp5 and @klier responses again.

our point appears to be that cars like this are bad investments, which for the most part people aren't denying

Thanks for this.

rather they're pointing out that it doesn't matter.

I know that already. I wouldn't buy this even if I could. But that isn't the point now is it?

From a moderator's point of view, as far as the quality of the discourse goes, after you've told someone to take a car company's **** out of their mouth is probably not the time to complain about it.

I take major issue with you on this.

I only ever posed a polite question, and if you as Moderator, actually paid attention, you would realize that it was @Esp5's holier than thou drivel, and later @klier's nonsensical interjections that caused all of this. Am I not to respond to them the same way they carry themselves? It is only fair.

I gave my opinion, gave them facts, and yet they cannot answer nor react properly. Instead, all they do is deflect, insult, move goalposts, and belittle to defend some already outdated electrical lard boat sold at 7 million pounds to some suckers with too much money they know what to do with.

Isn't this the very definition of a RR cocksucker?

Now, to give you another perspective.

Take @Centurion and @KiwiRob's comments above. Even @Jonathan19 in other threads. They are polite, full of factual information, and contain aspects personal experience. I learnt something useful, irrespective of whether I agreed or disagreed with them. I simply respect such commentators. The contribute in a positive way.

As for the likes of @klier and @Esp5, and some others, you would have noticed that they contribute nothing of substance but frequently pollute this forum's threads with their incessant diarrhea. This comment thread is the latest, great example. I am just sick of such commentators, and they grate me to no end. That's why I decided to point them out here.

We should hold such 2 bit bullies to the fire so they don't behave this way, and respond to others conversations (Not that anything will change). It not only reduces the quality of conversation, but is disrespectful for good members a like above.

Another issue. You must have noticed their behaviour and responses up and down this very thread. In fact, you have a perfect example of Klier's intellectual dishonesty right above you.

Instead of not holding any of them accountable, across all these instances, who just had to take issue with my accurate description of an RR cocksucker?

It seems in this thread, and many others in this forum, anyone who dares to question or disagree with these vapid, brand announcements are pounced by a bunch of bootlickers. But apparently you don't have any issue with that? It is this bias I want to point out to you.

I mean, just because we are car fans doesn't mean we have to worship everything that comes out of them.

It seems @Matski and @martinbo, I am guilty of simply trying to hold these conversations to a better standard?

Sorry to be so direct and rude, and normally I don't behave in this forum this way. But, this is your job too.

/rant,
Thanks,
Constalation.

Edit: Added to the rant.

 

[slicknick]

You should. I encourage you to read @Esp5 and @klier responses again.


Thanks for this.


I know that already. I wouldn't buy this even if I could. But that isn't the point now is it?


I take major issue with you on this.

I only ever posed a polite question, and if you as Moderator, actually paid attention, you would realize that it was @Esp5's holier than thou drivel, and later @klier's nonsensical interjections that caused all of this. Am I not to respond to them the same way they carry themselves? It is only fair.

I gave my opinion, gave them facts, and yet they cannot answer nor react properly. Instead, all they do is deflect, insult, move goalposts, and belittle to defend some already outdated electrical lard boat sold at 7 million pounds to some suckers with too much money they know what to do with.

Isn't this the very definition of a RR cocksucker?

Now, to give you another perspective.

Take @Centurion and @KiwiRob's comments above. Even @Jonathan19 in other threads. They are polite, full of factual information, and contain aspects personal experience. I learnt something useful, irrespective of whether I agreed or disagreed with them. I simply respect such commentators. The contribute in a positive way.

As for the likes of @klier and @Esp5, and some others, you would have noticed that they contribute nothing of substance but frequently pollute this forum's threads with their incessant diarrhea. This comment thread is the latest, great example. I am just sick of such commentators, and they grate me to no end. That's why I decided to point them out here.

We should hold such 2 bit bullies to the fire so they don't behave this way, and respond to others conversations (Not that anything will change). It not only reduces the quality of conversation, but is disrespectful for good members a like above.

Another issue. You must have noticed their behaviour and responses up and down this very thread. In fact, you have a perfect example of Klier's intellectual dishonesty right above you.

Instead of not holding any of them accountable, across all these instances, who just had to take issue with my accurate description of an RR cocksucker?

It seems in this thread, and many others in this forum, anyone who dares to question or disagree with these vapid, brand announcements are pounced by a bunch of bootlickers. But apparently you don't have any issue with that? It is this bias I want to point out to you.

I mean, just because we are car fans doesn't mean we have to worship everything that comes out of them.

It seems @Matski and @martinbo, I am guilty of simply trying to hold these conversations to a better standard?

Sorry to be so direct and rude, and normally I don't behave in this forum this way. But, this is your job too.

/rant,
Thanks,
Constalation.

Edit: Added to the rant.

 

[Matski]

It seems in this thread, and many others in this forum, anyone who dares to question or disagree with these vapid, brand announcements are pounced by a bunch of bootlickers. But apparently you don't have any issue with that? It is this bias I want to point out to you.

Okay, I'll jump off from here.

You attempted to make a justification for your clear disdain for this car, the premise of which others thought was irrelevant. You started calling people cocksuckers, got frustrated that people weren't defending arguments that they didn't make, doubled down on calling people cocksuckers - and finished up by accusing other people of bias seemingly because they don't agree with you ...

... forgive me for not leaping to your defence.

Ideally, don't call people cocksuckers based on them holding a different perspective... other than that, you're free to continue to state your opinions on the car, and people are free to agree, disagree, or not enter into further dialogue over it. Simple as that really, this didn't need to become the conversation it has, and I'd urge everyone to move on from it.

 

[Merc1]

Hard pass. I like last special cars better. The boat tail ? The one where there were only 3 for like 35M a pop. Jay Z and Beyoncé bought one in think.

Edit: Droptail.

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