Rolls-Royce Project Nightingale

[Ozy]

They took the horizontal headlights, flipped it by 90 degrees and voila a 10x markup cant make this sh up…

Some authorities should look into Rolls Royce being knowingly involved in some kind of money laundering scheme because this is comical at this point.

 

[klier]

Also...

LE ROSSIGNOL: A REFUGE FOR CREATIVITY

During the later years of his life, Sir Henry Royce spent each winter at his private residence on the French Riviera. The villa, named La Mimosa, was built in the hills above the village of Le Canadel in 1911, after Sir Henry had visited the area during a period of rest after the intense effort...

www.press.rolls-roycemotorcars.com

Yeah that's where I got the connection from. Very cool.

That's for an EV with probably 200 mile range.

Not that it matters in any way, but maybe the car comes with the Neue Klasse cylindrical batteries Gen 6

 

[constalation]

Honestly, I don't see the value in this. It's certainly not worth 7 million pounds.

I am not very knowledgeable in this area, but I think the high end hypercar market is eventually going to have a correction. When that happens, I think coach built stuff like these RRs are the first to go. Luxury cars, even RRs have really bad depreciation, and unlike performance cars with great engines which will gain value and become rarer due to electrification and tighter regulation, these RRs are just electric. Bad electrics at that.

So when the inevitable corrections happen, their values are going to sink like a stone. So even in terms of a collectors item, I don't understand the point. Seems like a bad investment right?

 

[MAJESTIC]

Cadillac did the front so much better 15 years ago with the Ciel Concept and those awful wheels reminds me of a Hot Wheels car. The back is bizarre in an abstract way and is this car's best angle. The interior is sublime, though.

 

[Matski]

This is utterly insane demand for 100 units at £7m BEFORE personalisation.

Obviously that price tag might go up with personalisation, so call it somewhere between 700 million to a Billion pounds revenue. If the Dawn averaged around £300k a piece, and accounted for a quarter to a third of all Wraith/Dawn sold, that's going to be somewhere between 900 million to 1.2 Billion pounds revenue, and I'm probably low-balling the volumes there.

I wonder if they've done it this way to both cover off limited demand issues for an EV version of the Spectre, perhaps combined with the nosedive sales numbers after year 3 of a product like the Dawn... i.e. they realised a Spectre drop-head was not going to sell anything like as well as the Dawn did, so they drove demand with rarity rather than capability.

Doesn't matter I suppose if they're all sold.

They took the horizontal headlights, flipped it by 90 degrees and voila a 10x markup cant make this sh up…

You are making that shit up though... the car is self evidently, objectively, not simply an existing model with the horizontal headlight, 'flipped' by 90 degrees at a 10x markup.

 

[Esp5]

I am not very knowledgeable in this area, but I think the high end hypercar market is eventually going to have a correction. When that happens, I think coach built stuff like these RRs are the first to go. Luxury cars, even RRs have really bad depreciation, and unlike performance cars with great engines which will gain value and become rarer due to electrification and tighter regulation, these RRs are just electric. Bad electrics at that.

So when the inevitable corrections happen, their values are going to sink like a stone. So even in terms of a collectors item, I don't understand the point. Seems like a bad investment right?

"I am not very knowledgeable in this area",
Yes, It shows.

They sold out the 100, they built with hundreds of millions a new facility for this program and its great future, but according to you, "coach built stuff like these RRs are the first to go," lol. Can't you see what's right in front of your face?

I want it big, 5,76M

 

[Esp5]

"The slim headlights, which also house the indicators and daytime running-lights, are completely bespoke and are apparently so intricate and hard to assemble that, at this stage, cannot be put into series production."

Not that it matters in any way, but maybe the car comes with the Neue Klasse cylindrical batteries Gen 6

"Rolls-Royce is keeping quiet about the technical details for now, but Harnett told us that Project Nightingale will use more advanced technology than the current Spectre."

I wonder if they've done it this way to both cover off limited demand issues for an EV version of the Spectre, perhaps combined with the nosedive sales numbers after year 3 of a product like the Dawn... i.e. they realised a Spectre drop-head was not going to sell anything like as well as the Dawn did, so they drove demand with rarity rather than capability.

It seems that none of those:

Rolls-Royce has no plans to build a convertible version of its electric GT Spectre, as executives say certain elements make such a project impossible, at least for now.

Speaking to Auto Express during a private presentation of the upcoming Project Nightingale, Rolls-Royce's head of future products, Phil Harnett, told us: "If you want to build a four-seater convertible, you also have to add more weight, reinforce it further, and you also need a rollover protection system."

"We've looked at various options in the past," Harnett said. "The more weight you add... you start to spiral out of control. Eventually, you go over the legal limits." When asked if these issues were a deterrent to such a project, Harnett replied: "At the moment, yes. That's why it's not on our project list."

These supposed “legal limits” represent a homologation nightmare for all car manufacturers, and Rolls-Royce is no exception. As a result, the production-ready Project Nightingale will not be available in China. Harnett told us: “It won’t be homologated [in China] because of its fuel efficiency.”

 

[constalation]

"I am not very knowledgeable in this area",
Yes, It shows.

They sold out the 100, they built with hundreds of millions a new facility for this program and its great future, but according to you, "coach built stuff like these RRs are the first to go," lol. Can't you see what's right in front of your face?

I want it big, 5,76M

They sold out the 100, they built with hundreds of millions a new facility for this program and its great future

Selling this is in the current environment is not the problem. The buyers are going to be the eventual bag holders. That's where I am concerned.

You should have realized that by yourself. But, I guess you are neither knowledgeable nor particularly good at comprehension.

 

[Esp5]

You should have realized that by yourself. But, I guess you are neither knowledgeable nor particularly good at comprehension.

All you need is common sense and a bit of an eye.
You announce a "correction" or a scenario of a precipitous fall without any basis to support your argument, when the facts prove otherwise.

 

[Merc1]

Holy Hell!

This is utterly insane demand for 100 units at £7m BEFORE personalisation. That's for an EV with probably 200 mile range.

Whilst bugatti,Koenigsegg and Gordon Murray automotive are fighting for the same customer, rolls royce is in a battle with no one else.

This isn’t shocking really. It’s only 100 units. You can sell nearly anything to 100 upper crust millionaires and billionaires. Those other brands are serial production cars by comparison.

M

 

[Ozy]

You are making that shit up though... the car is self evidently, objectively, not simply an existing model with the horizontal headlight, 'flipped' by 90 degrees at a 10x markup

If this detail was so important to you that it was worth defending pls elaborate what makes this car “self evidently, objectively” worth ~15x the car it was based on. Its even worse than what Lamborghini is doing with the one offs… Nothing justifies this price besides money laundering, you know very well too, so lets not waste time arguing about bs. Neither of us is buying this anyways

 

[McLaren64TR]

Damn man, those rims are some of the best ever. I love them!

 

[Merc1]

If this detail was so important to you that it was worth defending pls elaborate what makes this car “self evidently, objectively” worth ~15x the car it was based on. Its even worse than what Lamborghini is doing with the one offs… Nothing justifies this price besides money laundering, you know very well too, so lets not waste time arguing about bs. Neither of us is buying this anyways

Money laundering lol. I can’t.


M

 

[Esp5]

pls elaborate what makes this car “self evidently, objectively” worth ~15x the car it was based on.

Isn't making the owners of Maybach's, Bentley's, Ghost's, McLaren's, etc. at your country club look like they're driving Twingo's enough?

 

[constalation]

All you need is common sense and a bit of an eye.
You announce a "correction" or a scenario of a precipitous fall without any basis to support your argument, when the facts prove otherwise.

I never talked about a 'precipitous' fall. Only then when the market eventually corrects, that these electric coach builds are the first to go.

Besides there have been various car bubbles. the 1980s had a famous one, and they were Ferraris, not shitty electric RRs. Take a look at Aston Martin Lagondas, especially the Taraf which is a good comp for this RR. It sold for around a million at launch, in 2026 sold for $430,000. That's more than 50% loss, without opportunity cost. How about the The RR Silver Spur II Mulliner Park Wards? Sold for $180,000 in the 90s (some specs way more). Now they go between 18 to 30K dollars. struggle to break $50K on the rarest ones. These are all good comps. These are not difficult examples to find.

There were lots of ultra rare, luxury coach built cars that don't really go anywhere today. Unlike engineering/fashion greats like the F40s, or modern day v16 Tourbillions with all its engineering inside and out, if you take away the hype, there's nothing of value in these cars. Yet, its double the price of a Tourbillion.....

You say the facts prove otherwise, but are you sure?

Sorry for being rude, but I just want you to take RRs **** out of your mouth.

 

[SCOTT27]

Love it. As the Rose Noir shown on its single concept on the streets of London recently that Rolls-Royce is truly the upper echelon of luxury motoring.
Exclusivity for certain customers selected for the privilege. The Rose Noir footage and the attention it gathered showed the supercar berks didn’t get a second glance. Nightingale will offer the same exclusivity.

 

[Matski]

If this detail was so important to you that it was worth defending pls elaborate what makes this car “self evidently, objectively” worth ~15x the car it was based on.

I didn't say, and haven't said that it was - I have said that these things are not priced on tangible aspects, and I implied I didn't think it was worth 7 million quid when I said it wouldn't be worth it even if it had a V16.

Also, it's not a "detail" like it's some trivial component that I was saying it didn't share - you implied the only difference between Project Nightingale and the Spectre, was the headlights being rotated by 90°... I'm pointing out that this is blindingly obviously not the case - and I'm not pointing that out because I think it's worth 7 million quid, it's because I think reducing a coach-built car to such a simple statement is a fundamental comprehension problem, not a product or price tag problem.

 

[Esp5]

I never talked about a 'precipitous' fall. Only then when the market eventually corrects, that these electric coach builds are the first to go.

Again you speak of a "market correction" that has not occurred, nor is there any indication that it will occur yet, nor do you know if it will occur, nor do you substantiate your "premonition".

You say the facts prove otherwise, but are you sure?

The facts are what's happening today, and you're seeing it, so yes, I'm sure.
What will happen in 20 or 50 years, no, nobody's sure about that.

Sorry for being rude, but I just want you to take RRs **** out of your mouth.

From my mouth came only a description of the current facts and success, what we are seeing today, you are assuring that something that has not happened yet, nor is there any indication that it will happen, will happen

 

[constalation]

Again you speak of a "market correction" that has not occurred, nor is there any indication that it will occur yet, nor do you know if it will occur, nor do you substantiate your "premonition".

Are you saying that there won't be a market correction in the future? We already had a small correction for the supercar level. Electrics like this RR have outrageously awful levels of depreciation. No indication? Is this a good argument against a market correction? Have you taken a good look at the world's geopolitical situation?

The facts are what's happening today, and you're seeing it, so yes, I'm sure.

Wtf does this even mean? We just had a correction in the supercar market already. Also seeing what? This has only just been sold. I am talking about the secondary market.

What will happen in 20 or 50 years, no, nobody's sure about that.

What a sobering thought. How about 10 yrs?

From my mouth came only a description of the current facts and success

What success? What facts? I literally gave you good comps that literally are the facts and both historical and recent market trends that prove my point. Electrical high ends are not a working business model.

I have given you a lot of great examples. I want you to give me proper examples as to why an electric RR, which has no technological, historical or design relevance, which they built a hundred 100 examples of, which is priced DOUBLE that of a Tourbillion is a better investment than an equivalent SP3 or Tourbillion or a future special edition Tourbillion etc.

 

[Esp5]

What success? What facts? I literally gave you good comps that literally are the facts and both historical and recent market trends that prove my point. Electrical high ends are not a working business model.

We're talking about a limited edition that's already sold out, so where do you see that their business model isn't working?

I have given you a lot of great examples. I want you to give me proper examples as to why an electric RR, which has no technological, historical or design relevance, which they built a hundred 100 examples of, which is priced DOUBLE that of a Tourbillion is a better investment than an equivalent SP3 or Tourbillion or a future special edition Tourbillion etc.

Do you think a RR bespoke dress has no historical or design relevance?
Where did I say that this is a better or worse investment than another car?

If they paid double the price of a Tourbillion, it must be because they think it's worth it. I have no idea what we're discussing; the 100 buyers must know more about investments than you and I.