all the reviews i have seen yet praise this transmission immensly
Vs RoadAndTrack: Lexus IS350 F-Sport vs BMW 335i M-Sport vs Cadillac ATS vs Q50 Sport
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Regarding Europe, they get IS250 or IS300h only and that car is a completely different case compared to the IS350 F-Sport and I can understand why it loses every comparison. Both of them are severally underwhelming.
Regarding bias, that is exactly why I had put it forward that the US magazine are much more unbiased. Even a 325i E46 won against another car that outpowered it by almost 100 HP.
How do I know? Well, BMW 3-series never lost a comparo in previous years. Remember the fiasco of BMW E92 M3 being declared the winner over Nissan GTR that had everyone at NAGTROC riled up? Furthermore, Car and driver have put the 3-series on their "10 best list" for the last 20 years straight.
A magazine that has put the 3-series in the "10 best list" consistently for 20 years is suddenly biased when it decides to award the win the Lexus IS suddenly becomes biased in that instant?
Americans are more likely to be fairly unbiased when it comes to European vs Japanese because they don't have a dog in this race. However, Europeans do.
Regarding bias, that is exactly why I had put it forward that the US magazine are much more unbiased. Even a 325i E46 won against another car that outpowered it by almost 100 HP.
How do I know? Well, BMW 3-series never lost a comparo in previous years. Remember the fiasco of BMW E92 M3 being declared the winner over Nissan GTR that had everyone at NAGTROC riled up? Furthermore, Car and driver have put the 3-series on their "10 best list" for the last 20 years straight.
A magazine that has put the 3-series in the "10 best list" consistently for 20 years is suddenly biased when it decides to award the win the Lexus IS suddenly becomes biased in that instant?
Americans are more likely to be fairly unbiased when it comes to European vs Japanese because they don't have a dog in this race. However, Europeans do.
I think you are misunderstanding my comments here, I am not doubting the results just that European taste seem to differ to that of Americans, in fact let's forget about the IS model at all for a minute I can't recall at any point where a Lexus has won, it probably has happened but it's that rare an event that I can't recall it. I remember when the brother own one of their first SUVs I think it was called the RX300, it didn't do a single thing wrong but boy was it bland in every single way possible, totally characterless and this has been something I've continued to feel with every model I've driven since, maybe the IS350 F-sport is a different animal but alas I'll never know unless Lexus decide to release it in the UK.
Not sure this is the reason for it, your acceptance of Japanese brands is probably a bigger factor.
I agree with everything you wrote. Typically, I can understand why the RX, ES etc. lose the comparo. The SC was given the worst car of the year by Top Gear. I think they are rightfully so.
However, this is not inconsistent between Europe and America. American magazines have been equally as hard on these cars in comparo, which is what my point was. The IS350 F-Sport (and the GS) won the several comparos because they are radical departure from what typically Lexus puts out.
However, this is not inconsistent between Europe and America. American magazines have been equally as hard on these cars in comparo, which is what my point was. The IS350 F-Sport (and the GS) won the several comparos because they are radical departure from what typically Lexus puts out.
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High-Rev Hero
It is amazing! In sport form in the 335 M-Sport, I thought it was a duel clutch! In non sport form is where it seems to lack. A bit of tuning should fix it.
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High-Rev Hero
With the F30, I think you do. If you don't get the M-Sport with DHP Pack, the car is pretty sloppy.
maybe it is designed to be this way?It is amazing! In sport form in the 335 M-Sport, I thought it was a duel clutch! In non sport form is where it seems to lack. A bit of tuning should fix it.
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
You certainly doesnt need to get 335i to enjoy a F30, what I read here you must get to top of the range to enjoy the Lexus. I doubt a low spec Lexus IS is that bad as someone here claim.
That is so true, whilst the wife's X1 was in they loaned us a 320d and it was brilliant.
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High-Rev Hero
That's a possibility. If so, then yikes!
deity
Highway Hunter
And what really, really, really, REALLY differentiates a 3er from a 3er GT? That extra bit of space? Or the marketing to convince buyers like you who think sedans are boring that it's worth the extra money?
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High-Rev Hero
The 3 GT is ugly. I'll happily take the sedan.
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