911 (992) Porsche 992 GT2 RS


The Porsche 992 is the eighth generation of the Porsche 911. Predecessor: Porsche 911 (991). Production: 2018–

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Le Mans tech for fastest 911 yet, due as one of the final entrants in 992 series!

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"Porsche will lay the foundations for the electrification of the 911 with an advanced new GT2 RS Hybrid – a model that will be the most powerful and fastest-accelerating road-going variant of the iconic sports car yet, according to company insiders.

Due in 2026, the top-of-the-line, limited-run Porsche 911, which is expected to cost upwards of £250,000, is being engineered with a newly developed hybrid drivetrain that will target “more than 700bhp”.


This will be achieved using tech originally developed by Porsche Motorsport for the Le Mans 24 Hours-winning 919 Hybrid and further developed for its successor, the recently unveiled 963 LMDh racer.


The new petrol-electric drivetrain is envisaged to be launched in the Porsche 911 GT2 RS before being offered in other, less extreme 911 models by the end of the decade.

Contrary to earlier speculation that the 911 would get a plug-in hybrid system similar to that in the Porsche Cayenne and Porsche Panamera, Autocar can confirm that Porsche’s new 911 drivetrain is based around a mild-hybrid system, with an electric motor boosting the internal combustion engine.

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The system is described as being “even more advanced” than what has been created for the new LMDh car: a 630bhp turbocharged 4.6-litre V8 petrol engine supported by a 67bhp Bosch electric motor that’s activated above 80mph.

The Porsche 911 Turbo acts as the basis for the new GT2 RS, with its twin-turbocharged 3.8-litre flat six engine being supplemented by a battery like that used by the 919 Hybrid.

How the production car will be set up underneath hasn’t yet been detailed. However, 911 Turbo prototypes fitted with the new mild-hybrid drivetrain have received a gearbox-mounted electric motor and air-cooled lithium ion battery positioned low down behind the front seats. The production car will have the battery behind the rear seats for a 39:61 weight balance.

According to patents applied for by Porsche in 2021, this cooling system – not yet confirmed for the production model – uses air from an electric turbocharger, negating the need for an additional fan.

The production battery will, without direct charging, also rely on energy recuperation for storage. Together with a multi-stage brake energy recuperation system, Porsche is said to be developing a variable-geometry turbine within the exhaust tract to allow it to generate electric energy under acceleration – a Porsche Motorsport system used by the 919 Hybrid.

Unlike the 800V electric drivetrain being developed for the upcoming fourth-generation Porsche Boxster/Porsche Cayman, the 911’s drivetrain operates via a 400V system in the interests of weight and compactness, say Autocar sources, who add that the new drivetrain will deliver “significantly more power” than the previous 690bhp GT2 RS.

While it does allow electric-only propulsion for short distances, the focus of the new mild-hybrid drivetrain is very much on “performance enhancement with an absolute minimum increase in weight”.

A target of “more than 700bhp” will be accompanied by a “significant increase in torque”, say insiders. As such, the benchmark performance figures for the new 911 are the 0-62mph time and top speed of its six-year-old predecessor: 2.8sec and 211mph.

Whether Porsche holds firm to a traditional manual gearbox rests with its ability to handle the added torque delivered by the electric motor, which is said to total more than 184lb ft.

To offset the weight of the electric motor and battery, Porsche is developing the new 911 GT2 RS Hybrid with a lightweight body with measures similar to the Weissach Package offered by its predecessor and the new Porsche 911 GT3 RS. Porsche is said to be aiming at a weight gain of no more than 100kg."

Impressive!

 
What would be even cooler is if they dropped the flat 6 and installed the 918 Spyder derived 9RD V8 from the 963. There is no earthly reason why the car should continue with the flat 6.
 
What would be even cooler is if they dropped the flat 6 and installed the 918 Spyder derived 9RD V8 from the 963. There is no earthly reason why the car should continue with the flat 6.

One of the Aston's went from twin turbocharged V6 to V8 very late in the game. Anything is possible but perhaps not very likely.
 
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Porsche says 911 hybrid will be out in 2025 and "should not get too heavy"
Its electrified powertrain will be more about performance rather than efficiency.

Porsche has been talking about the 911's inevitable electrification for years but the hybrid sports car is still not out yet. In fact, Zuffenhausen's venerable performance machine will not get an electric motor before the end of this year, or in 2024 for that matter. The first versions with a facelift – known by enthusiasts as the 992.2 – are expected to arrive at some point next year. All of these initial models will rely solely on a combustion engine.

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Motor Trend sat down and had a chat with Frank Moser, Vice President Model Lines 911 and 718, about what the future has in tow for the former, which is turning 60 this year. He announced Porsche is working on the 992.2 for which it's developing a "hybrid, a performance hybrid." He went on to say it'll be released "about in the middle of the decade."

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Not entirely satisfied with the vague timeline, MT asked him when the first hybrid would be launched: "Maybe two years." It indirectly means none of the initial 992.2 versions will be hybrids, which suggests the electrified model(s) will be based on a high-performing member of the vast 911 lineup. Regardless of which shape it'll take, Michael Steiner, Porsche board member for development told MT the hybrid sports car "should not get too heavy."

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Seen in the adjacent spy shots is a prototype of the 992.2 but with a couple of twists. For starters, there's a yellow round sticker in the top-left corner of the rear glass denoting its electrified nature, further implied by the decision to go with the "EV" letters on the number plate. Reports state it'll be a hybrid you won't plug in, which makes sense since PHEVs have bigger batteries that add weight and complexity, thus creating packaging issues.

Back in March, Autocar reported the GT2 RS (of which a test mule is possibly pictured below) will adopt a hybrid setup to create the quickest and most powerful 911 ever. It's supposedly going to be based on the Turbo S with a flat-six 3.8-litre engine and a mild-hybrid setup adapted from the 963 LMDh endurance racer. Rumour has it the combined output will exceed 700 bhp while torque will receive a significant increase over the already immense 590 pound-feet (800 Newton-metres) of the Turbo S.

Since we mentioned the weight penalty earlier, Autocar has it on good authority it won't exceed 100 kilograms (220 pounds). As a refresher, the Turbo S in coupe flavour tips the scales at 1,650 kg (3,636 lbs).

Porsche has said on numerous occasions that a purely electric won't happen this decade, so a 911 EV is not coming during the 992 generation. The 911 is going to be the brand's last car to offer a combustion engine, which hopefully might get a new lease on life thanks to Porsche's investments in synthetic fuels."

 
Since we mentioned the weight penalty earlier, Autocar has it on good authority it won't exceed 100 kilograms (220 pounds). As a refresher, the Turbo S in coupe flavour tips the scales at 1,650 kg (3,636 lbs).
The electric motor and battery in the Artura weigh 82kg. Therefore a sub 100kg weight penalty is possible for the GT2 RS.
 
The electric motor and battery in the Artura weigh 82kg. Therefore a sub 100kg weight penalty is possible for the GT2 RS.
There is an aftermarket electric motor kit for 991/992 models. Weighs around 80kg. I suspect Porsche will do something similar.

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  • The 2025 Porsche 911 (992) GT2 RS will be the first 911 to feature hybrid propulsion. The GT2 RS electrification aspect is derived from Porsche's racing efforts
  • The Porsche 992 GT2 RS test mule is not giving us the final look of the car. Porsche promises it will be very distinctive from other versions of the 992
  • Like previous 911 GT2 models, the 992 GT2 RS will be loosely based on the 911 Turbo, but this time, with a few more tweaks that would set it apart
  • The 992 GT2 RS will be more powerful, but not much heavier than the 911 Turbo, despite the hybrid powertrain
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The possibility of a Porsche 911 hybrid has been on the table for some time. In an interview with Reuters, Porsche e-fuels team leader, Karl Dums, assures the Porsche 911 will be produced for as long as possible, with a combustion engine. By 2030, Porsche aims to make 80 percent of its lineup electric, but the 911 will not be among them. Fans can rest easy as the hybrid test mule doesn't foreshadow the end of the ICE-powered Porsche 911.

As for the extent of the 992 GT2 RS electrification, there will be a single electric motor nested between the flat-six engine and the transmission. By all accounts, it seems the 2025 Porsche 911 GT2 RS will be a mild hybrid. The 992 GT2 RS electric motor will be derived from the Porsche 963 LMDh race car.

The electric motor-generator is a co-development between Bosch and Williams Advanced Engineering and utilizes an 800-volt architecture with a 1.35-kWh battery. The motor generator unit (MGU) is located in the transmission bell housing of the Porsche 963 race car. In motorsport applications, the electric motor generates up to 68 horsepower (40 kilowatts) with the minimum output being 40 horsepower (30 kilowatts).

The MGU is expected to undergo modifications in order to be adapted for use in the rear-engine 911 GT2 RS. To save weight and space, the hybrid system in the 992 GT2 RS will feature a 400-volt architecture instead of the 963 endurance car's 800-volt. We know the battery will be placed behind the rear seats of the 911 GT2 RS while the electric motor will be placed inside the transmission bellhousing, just like in the 963 LMDh racer."


There's alot more. Continues in the link.
 
Sport Auto reports about new Porsche patented tech that might be used on the upcoming GT2 RS.

I can't make much sense of the first one, other than it being a blown diffuser.
The other one is on-the-fly camber adjustment. However, by the sound of it, it's not the same kind as Lamborghini's active wheel hub.

As translated by Google:
As is now customary, every model update of the Porsche 911 also brings its top model, the GT2 RS. However, fans and potential buyers still need a little patience. Although the new hybrid drive train is already being tested in a GT3 RS (see below), the market launch will not take place until 2026 at the earliest. Turbocharging is also a given - as can be seen from the deep rumbling and hissing of the car. This can be clearly confirmed by the latest spy videos from the Nürburgring Nordschleife. A system output of around 1000 hp is expected. The ingenious developers from Weissach-Flacht have even more in store, which should make the new super 911 the fastest of its kind. Porsche has applied for a patent that will allow the exhaust to function as a diffuser. In theory, this not only ensures more contact pressure, but also for faster and more targeted removal of the hot exhaust gases. Another patent provides for active camber adjustment. The hybrid technology would provide enough electrical energy to adjust the position of the upper wishbones within fractions of a second using appropriate actuators. With so much inventiveness, the next Nordschleife record is probably just a formality.

And the original, in case there's something lost in translation.
In mittlerweile gewohnter Manier kommt mit jeder Modellpflege des Porsche 911 auch dessen Topmo-dell, der GT2 RS. Ein wenig Geduld brauchen die Fans und potenzielle Käufer aber noch. Obwohl der neue Hybrid-Antriebsstrang schon fleißig in einem GT3 RS getestet wird [siehe unten), wird es erst frühestens 2026 etwas mit der Markteinfüh-rung Gesetzt ist - ebenfalls traditionell - die Tur-bo-Aufladung, wie tiefes Grummeln und Fauchen auf aktuellen Erlkönig-Videos von der Nürburg-ring-Nordschleife eindeutig bestätigen. Erwartet wird eine Systemleistung von rund 1000 PS. Die findigen Entwickler aus Weissach-Flacht haben aber noch mehr im Köcher, was den neuen Über-Elfer zum abermals schnellsten seiner Gattung werden lassen soll. So hat Porsche ein Patent angemeldet, mit dem der Auspuff als Diffusor fun-gieren soll. Das sorgt in der Theorie nicht nur für mehr Anpressdruck, sondern auch für eine schnel-lere und gezieltere Abführung der heißen Abgase. Ein weiteres Patent sieht eine aktive Sturzverstel-lung vor. Durch die Hybridtechnik wäre genügend elektrische Energie vorhanden, um mit entspre-chenden Aktuatoren die Position der oberen Quer-lenker innerhalb von Sekundenbruchteilen anzu-passen. Bei so viel Erfindergeist ist der nächste Nordschleife-Rekord wohl nur Formsache.
 

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Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, is a German automobile manufacturer specializing in high-performance sports cars, SUVs, and sedans, headquartered in Stuttgart, Baden-Württemberg, Germany. Owned by Volkswagen AG, it was founded in 1931 by Ferdinand Porsche. In its early days, Porsche was contracted by the German government to create a vehicle for the masses, which later became the Volkswagen Beetle. In the late 1940s, Ferdinand's son Ferry Porsche began building his car, which would result in the Porsche 356.
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